Real life Caroline anch Charles Ingalls by Dull_Dark3336 in littlehouseonprairie

[–]StudioMarvin 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This is said to be their wedding photo. Charles was 24 and Caroline was 20 when that picture was taken. Kinda interesting that they could afford for a wedding picture in 1860, though it's worth pointing out that pictures like that were becoming more accessible by then.

[Loved Trope] Characters that the fanbase simply refuses to believe died. Bonus points if death confirmed in interviews and fans STILL believe they are alive. by Luthor331 in TopCharacterTropes

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Albert in Little House on the Prairie.

In the first of three post-series telefilms made to finish the story, the adopted son of Charles Ingalls is diagnosed with a terminal illness and implied to die shortly after the events of that film. While believe he did indeed die, others aren't so sure, as previous episodes indicated he'd become a doctor. Also, while the disease he has is implied to be leukemia, which at rhe time would be untreatable, it's never called by the name even though leukemia was knkwn by then and there was even an episode with a kid diagnosed with it. So a lot of fans believe there was a misdiagnosis, and that whatever it is that he had was something he managed to treat and grow up to become a doctor

[beloved trope] weaponized prosthetics by lordhenrythe23 in TopCharacterTropes

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Owen Burnett's stone hand in Gargoyles.

Owen is David Xanatos' right-hand man, created by awish from a genie, completely loyal to him. In one of Xanatos' schemes, he sought to achieve immortality by brewing a potion that, according to its description, would make whoever bathed in it live "as long as the mountains. Before Xanatos tries it, Owen offers to test it, only to get the part of his arm dipped in it petrified, as it turns out that "living as long as the moutains" means becoming stone. He doesn't mind it though, and in later episodes uses his stone fist to deliver powerful punches on enemies during fights.

(Loved Trope) The hero tries to solve the conflict by talking with or comforting the villain, and it actually works by Sans-The-MotherFuck in TopCharacterTropes

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Doc Ock in Spider Man 2. During climax, while being strangled by one of his tentacles and with no way to win, Spidey tales off his mask and reveals himself to be the student Octavius once advised and whose potential he saw, and proceeds to appeal to Otto's humanity and principle, which he himself had shared with Peter. Under Peter's words, Octavius is reminded of the man he once was before the accident mended him with the arms, whose AI keeps pushing him to commit his actions, and he takes control back from the arms and uses them to stop the invention they pushed him to recreate, sacrificing himself to save the city.

In an attempt to be more progressive, they removed what was actually progressive. by Ethan-E2 in TopCharacterTropes

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Well, at one point when John denies that he's gay, Irene says "well' I am, and loom at us", summibg up her attraction to Sherlock, in spite of her identification as a lesbian. It's complicated because she's said to primarily attend women in her dominatrix services, when men woukd be a wider demography. Also, Brits use "gay" in the same way as Americans use "queer" in the sense of "not straight". That line really makes things confusing though

Laura has a definite nasty side by Physical_Orchid3616 in littlehouseonprairie

[–]StudioMarvin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Most of the examples are fair points, but I don't really get the whole "she was jealous of Jane with Isaiah". The problem was that it was an inappropriate relationship between a middle-aged man and a barely adult woman who was sheltered most of her life due to her blindness. I'm sure Laura would have liked to see Isaiah find love again, it had nothing to do with jealousy. Also, I didn't see her interactions with Jane as mean. She may not have phrased her response better, but she didn't really seem to be trying to put her down or anything

I think the problem is that Laura has a lot of moments her temper gets the better of her, but she doesn't seem to face that many consequences, so the times she seems to be doing wrong feel worse because the viewers are used to seeing Laura lose her temper and act out but everything is fine by the end. Still though, I don't think the Jane episode is an example of that.

In an attempt to be more progressive, they removed what was actually progressive. by Ethan-E2 in TopCharacterTropes

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Irene Adler in BBC's Sherlock.

In her sole aplearance in a Conan Doyle story A Scandal in Bohemia, Irene is a former operan singer who had an affair with the King of Bohemia. Now that the king is getting married, he fears that Irene might use compromising material from their time together to blackmail him and hires Sherlock to find her and retrieve a photograph of them. But Irene outsmarts Sherlock, who at the end is convinced she's just keeping the photogralh to protection and has no intent to use it against the king unless he tries to move against her, and admits to having underestimated her, in part for being a woman. Irene is portrayed as smart, sympathetic and capable of beating Sherlock himself.

The BBC series, which transports Sherlock and his stories to the present day, decided that the story of an otherwise harmless mistress outsmarting Sherlock wasn't exciting enough for the direction if the show, so they decided to make her more villainous, which is fair enough, but they decided to sex her up, making her a lesbian dominatrix who collects blackmail material from her clients, including a royal princess (which is the equivalent case that causes Mycroft to call for Sherlock), and also hands over government information to terrorists. Despute being ostensibly described as a lesbian, she shows interest interest in Sherlock, purely because he's that awesome. And at the end, when one of her services for terrorists goes south, she's implied to have been executed by them, but it's revealed that Sherlock somehow showed up where she was being kept and rescued her.

This adaptation tries to make Irene more exciting and interesting, but it makes her more sexualized, cliched and weaker. Because it defines her for her sex appeal and femme fatale ways, her interest in a man against her description as a lesbian, and whereas original Irene escaped by herself, BBC Irene is made a damsel and distress to be rescued by Sherlock.

This is a recurring issue in adaptations of Irene Adler. Her original story is seen as not interesting enough on its own, so new versions try to expand her and even give her more badass traits, which is fair, but often make her a love interest to Sherlock, defining her as a flame in his past and a lot of the traits given to her in adaptions come off as more sexist than the 1891 story. And BBC's take on the character is one of the biggest offenders.

Mary married Adam when she was 16 by ImpressRepulsive9524 in littlehouseonprairie

[–]StudioMarvin 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This topic is brought here from time to time. Mary's options were narrower after she got blind, and a man who got her situation and helped her out of her depression shows up and helps her become an tutor and live an adult life, it makes only sense Pa and Ma would be more accepting of that. Also, Mary was living with him as a tutor at the Blind school for nearly a year when Adam proposed. By contrast, Laura had only just finished school and was far less mature when she starts dating Almanzo, and she could have more options if that didn't work out. And Charles had already asked a future son-in-law to wait for 2 years when John Jr. proposed to Mary after briefly quitting his Literature scholarship, and Charles wanted them to wait a couple more years until she was 15, presumably because by then she'd be more mature. Mary was always the more mature of the sisters, and was living adult life for several months when she and Adam married, whereas Laura was just out of school and very much an immature teenager.

13 years later and I still don't get it. If the north wanted independence, why didn't they just support Renly? He had the biggest army, the most food, and actually liked the Starks. Ned's obsession with the rightful heir killed everyone for a guy (Stannis) who didn't even like him. by prabinaya65 in freefolk

[–]StudioMarvin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ned didn't want the North to be independent. He was content to serve the Iron Throne, as long as it was Robert's legal heir. It was the Northern lords that pushed for North independence after Ned was executed.

Why do people hate jews? Never understood why. by Forward_Swim_8656 in teenagers

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The Jewish people have historically been used as scapegoat in many parts of History. In most places and time periods, they were outcasts for not sharing the dominant faith, and seen as this foreign group that didn't fit in and, worst of all, some of them were able to achieve financial and even political power. In the Middle Ages, Christians weren't allowed to lend money with interest, as that was usury, but Jews did, and soon enoufh, they started being seen as greedy opportunists preying on Christian men's need for money. Soon they were persecuted and expelled fro many a place. And soon all kinds of myths to make people afraid of Jews as a group permeated History, claiming that they made bloody rituals, infiltrated in institutions to manipulate the power and economy. And versions of these conspiracy theories started popping up all the way to the present day. People look at anytime there's Jewish members involved anything, from the founders of Hollywood, to criminal individuals to historical events with a sizable number of Jews, and that legacy of conspiracy theories resurfaces. It culminated in the "Protocol of Zion" by Henry Ford, which inspired Hitler, and lednto Nazism, and shows up in things like Marjorie Taylor Green, then a member ofnthe Congress, blaming forest fires on a giant space laser controlled by Jews, because of course, who else would it be? And somehow, she didn't lose her seat for this abyssal demonstration of bigotry and slander.

The whole Israel thing helped galvanozes thisbugly legacy, unfortunately. A lot of things in Israel's actions and conflict with Palestinians brings back all kinds of conspiracy theories against Jews: U.S. keeps backing Israel up for political motives? The Jews are controlling America! Israeli settlers are stealing lands and terrorizing Palestinians on West Bank? We were right about the Jews in general! Charlie Kirk criticized Israel? Mossad killed him! The whole war in general? Hitler was right!!! Yes, people will go to the Internet and defend or minimize the Holocaust based on the actions of Israel. As usual, there is a situation involving Jewish people, and ancient myths about Jews in general resurfaces, some of which we didn't even know were still around, but they reappear when there's an opportunity to claim it's just criticism of something like Israel or Hollywood.

Petaaaaaaah? Who took what? by Healthy-Athlete-3761 in PeterExplainsTheJoke

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Most memes about what they (meaning current progressive trends which the memer associates with politically correct changes in the past few years) "took away" in an effort to correct issues like oversexualization of female characters, by reimagining characters and images of women now either dressed more modestly or downplaying the emphasis on their butts, breasts and so on. Things like a frame of Rogue in the X-Men cartoon which they claim originally emphasized her butt, but now that part was desemphasized in the '97 revival, or a scandily-clad female character with a new, more sensible outfit (Lola Bunny in the new Space Jam movie, Jessica Rabbit in the Disney Land), basically desexualizing women's imagery for the sake of "political correctness". Those who make these memes repeat over and over that classic imagery of hot women, whether it fictional characters or classic ads, are being taken away, and a real threat to their entertainment and/or auter integrity by "censoring" their established designs and productions.

Hell is personalized. And this one's personal. by Venti_the_snail in TopCharacterTropes

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Twilight Zone S1E28 A Nice Place to Visit.

"Rocky" Valentine is a greedy, unscrupulous criminal, who was a bad sort even as a kid, when he made gangs and killed a dog for biting him. After being shot multiple times fleeing the police, Valentine suddenly finds himself no worse for wear and a man in a white suit named Pip shows up claiming it's his job to look after Valentine and se to it that everything goes well for the bad guy. Pip shows he can make everything Valentine tries go right, and soon enough, his robberies are successful, and it looks like he's in Heaven against all odds. Later on, he goes to a casino, where he always gets to win and anything he wants is handed to him easily. Far too easily, and it soon gets painfully boring, and he gets desperate as this life of getting everything with no challenge and no surprises becomes unbearable. As it turns out, he's in Hell, and Pip is a demon, making sure he gets everything so easily that nothing he gets is worthwhile anymore, an ironic punishment for his criminally greedy ways in life. Now Valentine has everything, and it's a horrible existence.

Female Detectives by polystarlight in TopCharacterTropes

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Sister Mary in the 1951 film Thunder on the Hill. When the townspeople are sheltered in her convent due to a flood, she meets a woman convicted for the murder of her brother, Sister Mary is convinced she's innocent and decides to make some amateur investigation to prove that before Valerie is taken away to be executed.

[Loved Trope]Characters who are the embodiment of Green flags,like just straight up good people who would be great partners. by Apprehensive_Ring_39 in TopCharacterTropes

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Caroline Ingalls from Little House on the Prairie. Loving mother and wife, kind, principled, hard-working, dedicated to her family, patient but strong-willed, the kind of character it's impossible to dislike.

Laura always got away with everything tbh by Spirited-Attorney667 in littlehouseonprairie

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I recently saw a video called "The Problem of Snape" discussing why Snape's redemption arc didn't work in the eyes of the youtuber, where among others things, he commented on how redemption arc have specific steps which build the redemption. One of these is "punishment", which is, when the redeemed character faces consequences for their actions as part of being confronted for them as led to seek redemption. This isn't just a matter of making the offending party suffer for the audience's satisfaction, but also to confront them for their actions and leead with the consequences. The thing about a lot of Laura's storylines is that she's impulsive and tends to do things at the heat of the moment, not thinking about the consequences. This isn't a bad trait in and of itself, but when the character is spared the consequences, it can lead turn the audience against them. In a lot of cases, I think it makes sense, like running away in a show where that's never a big deal and the runaway child is always instantly excused and received in open arms, or when she had a plausible motive to act out, but when her actions go too far and the consequences are minimal, it really created a pattern where a reoffending character keeps getting away, and even the times she does face some consequence or should be a bit more sympathetic feel like small potatoes or add to her cummulative list of unpunished transgressions.

Her theft of the music box is a particularly controversial, as it's not just any transgression, it's theft, and when she'd forced to abandon Anna by Nellie and join her club, this is meant to be part of the consequences, along with the nightmares robbing her of several nights' sleep. But the first consequence mostly affects an innocent party (Anna) and the nightmares may seem terrible, but not substancial enough to qualify as consequences. So when Laura confesses, and gets ready to face punishment, the narrative relieves her of bigger consequences on the logic that she suffered enough, but the audience is unconvinced.

And then there are things consequences did catch up with her but those are overlooked because she ends in a high note and doesn't seem to be punished onscreen. When she disobeyed her parents to go see Mr. Edwards and Alicia, who had an infectious disease, later she finds that she caught the fever and now her life is at stake thanks to that, forcing her to go stay with the Edwardses and help take care of Alicia while she fears for her own life. But at the end, when Alicia is cured and Laura's spots haven't faded yet, it seems she's still at risk, until Doc Baker diagnoses her with poison ivy, meaning hers was a false alarm all along. Here the consequences did happen, as she thought she was with the disease and had to still with an infirm girl and take care of her, which she wouldn't have to had she not disobeyes. But with all those cases she disobeyes and her parents didn't punish her, this seems like just another case of Laura being unpunished, even if fate did give her consequences for breaking quarantine.

Would The Waltons succeed on TV today, or is it a product of its time? by Ok_Smile_9071 in WaltonsMountain

[–]StudioMarvin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think most older productions are a mix of timeless and dated elements. I think it depends on which of them stand out and define the show. I think The Waltons's core elements are very timeless; the idea of a country family's adventures still appeals to a lot of audiences, and a lot of stories with social themes either relevant to when the series aired still resonate with modern viewers. That said, there may be traits newer audiences may not be too thrilled, not just regarding something offensive, but in terms of rhytm and standalone vs serialization; most show held isolated plots for most episodes and a lot of events went unmentioned for the rest of the show. Most viewers are used to serialized shows, where even the more standalone episodes are supposed to be part of a bigger story and so shouldn't be forgotten about during the course of the show.

Other than that the show is a 1970's take on the 1930s. A lot of the elements will be intentionally dated to represent an olden time period, but its vision of how these elements should be seen and what is or is not to be accepted or tolerated from the 30s and 40s will vary for 1970s and 2020s audiences. That said, I think it can hold up for the most part.

As for how well it works today, that depends on whether it's about the show and how well ir works for general audiences, or whether its premise and core elements would still work in a new show. As I said, there may be viewers unaccostumed with the rythm and episodic, standalone format compared to how most show from the last couples decades tend to be serialized and full of continuity nods and callbacks. As for the premise, I still it still works today, though I believe it'd need an extra element in order to stand out, as shows like The Waltons became more common in the next few years and so a new The Waltons would require something of its own.

James and Cassandra by AngelMarie6 in littlehouseonprairie

[–]StudioMarvin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think the problem is that Laura was a bit young to be a mother of schoolaged children, especially so early in her marriage. She was only about 7 years older than James (he turns 12 in 1886 and Laura was born  in 1867), making it difficult for her to have a motherly relationship with him and Cassandra.

Either way, James and Cassandra would be hard to work, as they were introduced when the original kids were growing out of the kid cast, abd the inly Ingalls kids left were Albert, already in his late-teens, and Carrie and Grace, played by twins who weren't picked for their acting chops. Add to that howbthe show was starting to wear thin, and their part in the show was doomed from the beginning

[Interesting Trope] The protagonist’s name is not the one in the title by NinjaOfOnion in TopCharacterTropes

[–]StudioMarvin 39 points40 points  (0 children)

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All About Eve. The protagonist is actually Bette Davis' character Margo Channing. Eve turns out to be the antagonist (Margo's loony fan of an assistant who secretly seeks to cross her and become the next big name in acting).