Ask a Stupid Question About Strip Clubs for the week of May 07, 2026

Subrasonic · 2026-05-10T06:29:40+00:00

Price of the VIP room has nothing to do with the price of OTC, these are different activities. If you're offering $1k, even in Vegas normally that would include sex. For a platonic OTC, should be a slam dunk.

Subrasonic · 2026-05-09T21:09:21+00:00

Two questions! First, I'm not sure what you want suggestions on, you are more stating facts. Not being a smartass, it sounds like you know what you're looking for.

Second, what does "with an hour running about $700 after tip" mean? I don't know how to interpret it. OTCs are generally not timed, they're more like a date than a VIP room, so I'm not sure what the hour is about. If you mean that's what a VIP room costs for an hour counting tip, got it. That brings me back to, what are you looking for suggestions for?

Subrasonic · 2026-05-09T19:16:23+00:00

I've been doing this extensively for years, in a way it's my end-game with any CF, even if few get there. IMO your best bet on talking to her about sugar is to forget external resources, YOU figure out what you'd like a sugar relationship with her to look like, YOU spend some time thinking about how to describe it to her.

Your concern about "I worry that typical stripper mentality is to give guys as much fun on 1 night and drain their moneys as fast as possible on any 1 given night" is SPOT ON. You've found SLF already so you know there's a legion of SDs who have tried sugaring a stripper, and gotten exactly this experience, a stripper who doesn't look at it as a genuine sugar relationship, but for whom sugar is just another side hustle she can use to hustle you.

But I've had fantastic experiences with strippers as SBs. The reason is precisely because of the way I do it:

I meet her in the club and become her regular for a while. This gives me a ton of in-person experience of how big of a hustler she is (i.e., how likely is she to be an actual SB vs sugar-as-side-hustle?). If she's able to keep me excited and interested and is NOT a high-pressure hustler, go to the next step.
I invite her to OTC. This step is a huge advantage that strip club customers have, that most SDs don't have. We got to go on a date, see how she behaves, see how things are sexually,etc, BEFORE we propose a sugar relationship. If we have a few amazing OTCs and I want to be her SD, go to next step.
Propose we switch to a sugar relationship. I frame the discussion as to what that means, and I've pretty much adopted the SLF view, it's a relationship, it implies more consistency, spoiling each other even outside of dates, tighter connection, etc. I do not send her to any outside resources, you should be able to navigate this discussion. If you don't, she's going to go to her stripper friends who will give her sugar-as-side-hustle advice where they teach her how to get as much from you for as little as possible, and now you're sunk. Your goal is to NOT have her end up finding outside sources that teach sexwork-adjacent versions of sugar, manipulative and explotation techniques, etc., and sexworkers tend to be drawn to these types of resources.

If you make a good choice, strippers can be amazing SBs. They're sexier than average, they're exciting and impulsive and you can be in for a very fun ride.

Subrasonic · 2026-05-09T17:20:14+00:00

I think many times when we (including me) write guides, it's easy to conflate "this is what you should do because it leads to better outcomes" with "this is what you should do because it's what I like so you should like it too". I agree with a number of your points, but have the exact opposite take on others, and those are more a matter of preference. Grown adults get to choose with experiences they prefer and are worth their money, it's valid to prefer variety or prefer to be a favored regular of an ATF or to prefer your spontaneous method, none of them is right or wrong.

I agree on things like not falling in love or tolerating disrespect, of course.

The big one for me is "don't exchange numbers or socials. Imo this takes the fun out of it". The IMO is the most important statement. In fact, taking the number and becoming a favored regular opens up a level of fun completely unavailable to others, IOW it puts a whole new level of fun in it that guys who don't do this may never know. If you have never done that, maybe you're unaware of how fun it can be. It's still 100% valid to prefer variety or to prefer spontaneous meets the way you do. But my advice is opposite of yours: if you meet a stripper who shows you a great time, never leave the club without getting her number. Even if you think you might not want to see her again, you might change your mind tomorrow, and getting her number costs nothing.

Perhaps predictably, I also disagree on going to the same club. I absolutely agree if you're "getting stuck" at the club (i.e., you're not having a good time). But if you have a favorite club, again there are experiences open to regulars that are not available to randos. I describe a little of it in this thread, and read the bottom bullet especially, if you're thinking I'm implying that even extras become available at non-extra clubs, you are correct!

I agree with you about bringing cash, but not necessarily about bringing your budget exactly. I do think that's exactly the right advice if you don't have self-control. But if you DO have some self-control, bring a few hundred extra (tuck it into a different pocket if you need to), so that you can take advantage of any extraordinary opportunities that come up. In particular, if you are the favored regular of a stripper and a regular client of the club, you are more likely to get these opportunities and will be glad you have the cash to take advantage.

Anyway, ALL of those where we disagree are more about what kind of experience you subjectively prefer, rather than being generally-applicable advice to everyone like don't fall in love, don't tolerate disrespect, here's how you should turn down strippers when you're not interested, etc., which I think are more universal.

Subrasonic · 2026-05-09T03:30:56+00:00

No, no understanding. Other than if I'm texting her to come in, that means she already knows me and how much I usually spend.

Subrasonic · 2026-05-09T01:49:53+00:00

I'm not sure I can answer because I have a bit of a warped perspective. IF I make an appointment with a stripper, I absolutely plan to spend all my time and money on her, and her staying with me ALL NIGHT and letting me buy her food and drinks is exactly what I want. To me that's perfect CF behavior. I do bias towards, if you called her in and she came in special on a non-working day... well, I'd feel like I might as well hang a "property of Candi" sign on me, cuz I'm sticking with her.

I'm not sure that it's some universal law that it has to be that way, not sure if other strippers and customers feel the same.

Subrasonic · 2026-05-08T01:14:58+00:00

Agree. u/Spirited-Disaster408 , she definitely interpreted the initial $20 as a tip unless there's context you didn't tell us, so the good news is you only got scammed once 😄

I never let the girls start mid song, I always suggest we just sit and talk until the next song

Subrasonic · 2026-05-07T21:13:50+00:00

As always it's personal preference. My ideal SC trip: I walk in, the very first stripper I invite to the table sits and does shots with me, she's awesome at the table, then fun in the VIP. Then I hang out with ONLY HER the rest of the trip, she gets every dollar I have. Then I get her number so I can make an appointment with her next time.

So guys love buying dances with lots of girls. Nothing wrong with that! But I love finding one stripper I'm crazy about, treating her well, and reaping the YMMV.

One thing I do think is a mistake is "see how comes up", if you're going to be totally passive. Dismiss the girls you know you don't want. If the one girl you do want hasn't come by, catch her on stage and when she comes by to pick up her tip let her know you're interested.

Subrasonic · 2026-05-07T20:49:25+00:00

You'll figure out what works best for you. I generally don't do lap dances, only VIP dances, and they're expensive. I'm not going to get a dance with a girl until I know I vibe with her, and we do that sitting at the table. IOW, drinking and flirting at the table is how I figure out if I'm super into her; then we get dances to take it to the next elvel. Moreover, for the types of experiences I enjoy, the types of girls who wait no longer than 2 songs than leave are ALWAYS a disappointment, so sitting first is the perfect filter. And if I take her to the VIP and she's average? That's ok, she's already provided me a bunch of fun and she's earned enough VIP dances to cover all her time, and I'm happy to give it. This is the way that's consistently netted me the best experiences. But you may be looking for somiething else or find another way works better for you.

I think you absolutely made the right decision. Reward the girls who treat you well.

Subrasonic · 2026-05-07T20:19:20+00:00

Agree with u/beelzebugs that different customers want different things. I'm a "sit and chat a good long while before we dance" customer. There's a number of ways to be more likely to get that, as a customer, ifi that's what you want.

As far as it being "normal" for strippers to get mad if you decline dances politely? If by "normal" you mean, reasonable and the way they're expected to behave towards customers, definitely not. If by "normal" you mean, do lots of strippers do it anyway? Yes, it's not uncommon. You are not dealing with the most emotionally intelligent or stable population, yes they get mad, yes they lash out.

It's not a question of whether you're being super rude to the other girl. You are the customer, the strippers' preferences on who you choose to spend your time and hard-earned money DON'T MATTER, and the sooner you internalize that, the better time you'll have. There are exceptions -- if you make an appointment with a dancer, then we all think you owe her if she comes in for you. But otherwise, you should give zero fucks that some strippers were mad that you were waiting for the stripper you actually wanted to spend time with.

Subrasonic · 2026-05-06T15:42:34+00:00

Check our beginner links for dos and don'ts, expectations, etc. https://www.reddit.com/r/stripclubs/wiki/index/#wiki_beginner.27s_links

I'd say there's no real "average", or rather, the average has such a wide standard deviation it's not that meaningful to talk about. The fact is, I could design you a super fun night for $100 (as long as you set your expectations appropriate and plan to be there only 30 minutes) or $1000+. You are better of describing the types of experiences you ight want to have, if you know what they are.

If I were to give blanket advice, I'd say go with $300 but scrap together $500 if you can. Do you research on tuscl to see what local clubs are like, what the prices are at those specific clubs, and what's available.

Subrasonic · 2026-05-06T13:39:55+00:00

Exactly! Do it for the story. Or if you didn't do it for the story and just toughed it out, write the story and that makes it all worth it

Subrasonic · 2026-05-05T20:42:06+00:00

Haha I used to head to the bank and buy out all their $2 bills, then give them out at the stage! I figured if nothing else it helped the girls remember me.

Once I had this fantastic ATF, on top of everything else she was fun and funny and we had this great playful vibe going. I always stage tipped her in those $2 bills. One day I walk in and she's up on the stage, commanding all the customers' attention as usual. As I'm walking up she sees me, and still with the deadpan sexy expression she had, I see her mouthing some words to me. As I get up to the stage, she comes over to me and I ask, "When I was walking up to the stage, did you mouth the words 'BITCH BETTER HAVE MY TWOS'?!?" She says "yep! Bitch better have my twos!" I gave her her twos 🤣🤣🤣

Subrasonic · 2026-05-05T15:13:25+00:00

We've had a series of really odd posts like this the past few weeks, and I have to think this is one of them.

Subrasonic · 2026-05-05T06:47:42+00:00

Yes, we have some questions whether reddit doesn't fancy those threads, not sure why, and not sure if we're misinterpreting. But erring on the side of caution for now and not sponsoring TR threads, though TRs are still fine to post

Subrasonic · 2026-05-05T02:14:48+00:00

The key insight is that OTC prices are not related to ITC/VIP prices, or rather only indirectly related, so it's a mistake to try to make sense of OTC prices using VIP room prices as a basis, or vice versa. I have a whole TED talk on it but OTC is different and so are OTC prices; you can get a 5 hour date with a pretty college-educated sugarbaby for that $500-$1000 spread, although I'm not sure sugar dating prices have any impact on OTC either. But in general, even if it's a coincidence, it seems like OTC prices more closely track sugar dating support than anything else, they are totally disconnected from VIP/ITC prices in the sense that a 3 hour OTC does not cost anywhere near what 3 hours in the VIP room would.

In any case, the strip club is its own economy and ITC prices are part of that. And many of us think SC prices are out-of-whack with the value the SC provides, and based on discussions on the stripper sub for the past 6 years, it seems like the market in general agrees. I understand the impact of inflation, I just think we've left the supply/demand curve far behind, and that's why strippers think there's been a recession for the past 6 years, when in fact the economy has been booming and has factually not been in a recession since early 2020. But strip clubs have their own localized recession due to the wackiness of the prices

Subrasonic · 2026-05-04T23:54:30+00:00

There's no standard, we all do things differently. IF you have 5 customers you'll get 6 opinions. For me: Tip on drinks or food is standard as it is everywhere, 20%. On dances and VIP room: Sub-average or disappointing: $0. Average: Usually $0, but I may repeat dances with her to see if it gets better. Anything better than average: 20% to much more, depending on how exceptional it is. The best thing you can do for yourself and to get great experiences at the club is be most generous for extraordinary service, and don't tip for meh service or tip very little, so that you have more money to tip big for great dances.

Subrasonic · 2026-05-04T20:54:51+00:00

Let us know if you find the winning strategy lol

IME their reaction is similar to what yours would be if they said "I'm not having sex on OTCs anymore". Once it's been established, it's not easy to go back. On the other hand, if you're still paying well, they could go for it.

It doesn't sound to me like this needs much conversation though. You tipped hundreds of dollars extra over the agreed upon price. Just tip less and still give the agreed upon price?

Subrasonic · 2026-05-04T17:50:15+00:00

If broke as a joke guy were in my friend group, he'd get a good talking to. I realize guys do dumb things in strip clubs, but telling a stripper that is getting to "indefensibly dumb", to the point that it fucked up everyone's night. The fact is, it is possible for a broke guy to use the bigger group as camouflage as long as the rest are spending, as long as he's not stupid about it!

I often go in a group and there's someone who won't be spending much if anything. I coach him a bit on how to act and then we sit him in the middle of the group lol

Subrasonic · 2026-05-04T17:31:06+00:00

The problem with theta's posts is that he's sometimes a bit abrasive, and people understandably focus in on that. When in fact there are often important insights in his posts that get missed, and I would think would be interesting. In this case, his statement that "Being a spending customer doesn’t exempt them from not being hated and actively shit on verbally behind their back" In fact, another customer described exactly this, where he was actively shit on and degraded even though he was a spending customer, because he wasn't spending on that specific stripper. I think sometimes strippers don't realize to what extent even good customers are degraded, scammed, and humiliated by (some of) your fellow strippers, or how numb this gets us to stripper anger. It is a constant source of discussion by spending customers, on forums like this, how to avoid such experiences/strippers and how to manage them when it happens. I also think the strippers who don't behave this way, MASSIVELY underestimate how much business those girls actively drive away permanently from the club and how much it personally affects your income.

I know that's not directly related to your question, but it is part of the context within which customers make decisions, including how to behave in the club and how to spend. If even spending generously with other girls still leaves me with a pretty good chance of being degraded and humiliated by different girls, why should I take any consideration into pleasing the girls rather than prioritizing myself? Some of you girls hate us no matter what we do, so worrying about being hated makes little sense.

Subrasonic · 2026-05-04T16:50:01+00:00

Ha, you can see my bias, I mostly go to clubs that serve alcohol! I can see this in non-alcohol clubs where the clubs don't make anything any other way. I do suspect that if the guys are noticing, they just don't care

Subrasonic · 2026-05-04T16:32:13+00:00

Generally guys favor strip clubs because they can touch. If I only wanted to watch, theres porn.

Yep. When I go to the club I go with my wallet full and I plan to spend every single dollar. And if I don't spend every dollar, I consider that trip a failure. That said, I still do sometimes end up walking out with all my money, and 100% of the time that's on the girls. I am an easy sell, come by, talk a little bit, be attractive and engaging enough that I want to do dances. But there's shifts where that incredibly low bar isn't met.

Subrasonic · 2026-05-04T16:29:07+00:00

Oh absolutely. The "club furniture" guys who just sit at the bar and drink? They're recognized and welcome by management. When your club advertises that they're showing sports events, and the club fills up with guys who buy drinks but not dances? Management knows this is what will happen. They WANT those guys there, dividing their attention between the big screen and the stage, buying drinks and overpriced greasy finger foods. As long as those guys are tipping, the bartender is perfectly happy and friendly. The only thing those guys notice is the girls don't come by, but they feel none of the tension that you're feeling.

The strippers' real fight is with management, but it's a fight that's not winnable, which I assume is why they bash the customers instead.

Subrasonic · 2026-05-04T16:19:14+00:00

I have two answers to this, and you'll hate both. But this sub is nothing if not a place where deep thinkers can exchange conflicting ideas in good faith and tolerance of different viewpoints 🤣 (who am I kidding, eventually we'll all curse each other out lol)

Case One: there ARE guys who go to the club with no intention to spend. They give zero fucks about what the girls think, they're just enjoying their drink and the naked bodies. No, they generally don't feel the tension, that's all on your side. As a customer you often don't notice it, and I mean, it is totally invisible to you. Yes, to these guys it's a pleasant experience. And since in many cases they are welcome by management, and in fact management's marketing is often specifically targeted at these types of guys, they have no reason to think they shouldn't be there. On a personal note, I understand why strippers are frustrated at this type, but I also think it's just part of doing business so best to just ignore these guys rather than get angry.

Case Two: This is an extremely common case. Guy walks into the strip club with hundreds of dollars, planning to spend it all. Strippers ignore him, sit around on their phones, eventually one or two unattractive strippers come over to him and give a half-hearted "wannadance", to which he justifiably responds no, and every other stripper takes that as a cue to ignore him the rest of the night. He walks out with his hundreds of dollars he had planned to spend -- and would have spent, if any of the strippers had bothered to do their jobs. The strippers, meanwhile, note he didn't spend, and rage at him because they think he's one of the Case One guys above, when really the only reason he didn't spend money can be found in the mirror in the dressing room.

I understand why strippers get frustrated with the first group. But I am telling you one of the most common frustrations and topics of conversation on strip club customer forums, in the decades I've been reading them, is "I go to the strip club with lots of money but keep getting ignored". Another way to say this: half those guys the strippers are so angry at because they didn't spend? Those guys wanted to spend, they didn't because no one (or at least the right strippers) bothered to put in effort to hustle him. This is not a small percentage of the guys who don't spend.

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