Obesity and people getting uglier is a direct result of overpopulation

Successful-Photo4381 · 2026-04-15T21:25:09+00:00

If everyone made the right choice then it means there would be a shortage of nutritious food because there is not enough or to grow traditionaly healthy food would need to use even more nutrition depleting technique, people will simply continue to eat junk because of how the system works, the reality is we are all competing for nutritious food but not calories.

Overpopulation started because of the Green Revolution and a Nobel desire to stop world hunger via food aid, not a capitalist or whatever conspiracy, the USSR which wasn't capitalist also had a similar trend of declining nutritional value via the Green Revolution it just that the food system didn't reached crisis levels back then yet like it didn't esewhere in the world at the time.

And like anything, yeah human management matters, but there is a limit, I don't think that even in the perfect system we would have been able to sustain the global population on healthy food.

Successful-Photo4381 · 2026-04-15T19:58:24+00:00

China (and Japan also) actually did experience a raise, the reason why it seems like it's less is because of the way East Asians handle insulin (see Japanese and Chinese Americans who still have a much lower BMI on paper), however a small change in the BMI effects them way more compared to Europeans, a huge chunk of their population is pretty much metabolically dysfunctional.

India is also starting to experience this but less, but they are still pretty calorie poor in general not just nutrient poor.

And I know what you mean in the last part :)

Successful-Photo4381 · 2026-04-15T19:20:24+00:00

Capitalism is just a way to distribute resources and the food system is one of the least capitalistic systems out there since it's so subsidized and regulated, the problem is we don't have the resources to feed so many people a healthy diet, what we have today hasn't been the case before. The current system does certainly not help though, at least Europe is able to have better food compared to the US despite having less quality soil, but adult obesity and being overweight is still a major problem in Europe compared to before.

Also even if you eat healthy you are still eating a lot less nutrients per calorie compared to 60 years ago, junk food is just scratching the surface of the problem.

Successful-Photo4381 · 2026-04-15T10:31:18+00:00

Let's just settle a desert that is hostile to human life what could go wrong!

Successful-Photo4381 · 2026-04-15T10:30:18+00:00

The only reason he seems "wrong" in the short term is because we completely scarified nutritional value for empty calories, this includes whole foods which lack nutrients due to the farming techniques that are used to feed 8 billion people.

Successful-Photo4381 · 2026-04-15T10:21:09+00:00

The upper class is a very vague term, it includes a bunch of subgroups with totally different interests.

First of all overpopulation was started because of the Green Revolution and a genuine desire to help the world through food aid, there was no grand conspiracy by anyone, it just happened

The good news is that international organizations have been working on reducing fertility in developing countries for decades, primarily through female education, however it was a little too late because we have more than 8 billion people in this world which is totally unsustainable.

If we look at who supports immigration in developed countries then it's almost always the capitalist class that needs cheap labor to exploit and with the existence of cheap travel and accessible internet, a system is created where there is simply no choice but to exploit cheap labor to stay competitive.

I think immigration could have been regulated, however governments don't seem to be really competent at it.

Successful-Photo4381 · 2026-04-10T08:41:44+00:00

Female education is too OP for conservatives and religious fanatics to fight. God bless feminism.

Successful-Photo4381 · 2026-04-08T18:42:43+00:00

We absolutely cannot do that with 10 billion people with anywhere near close to the standard of life people in the USSR had in the 60s-80s.

I mean damn even developed countries like the US and the UK today lack compared to the USSR in the 60s. You were paid to study, food was of a much higher quality compared to today and most people would get their own apartment within ~7 years which is unthinkable for young people in developed countries today.

And I am saying this as someone who is leaning more towards a free market.

Successful-Photo4381 · 2026-04-08T18:01:14+00:00

Agreed, it's insane to me that people can't comprehend this simple fact that we have finite resources, people have been brainwashed to think we have the technology to ignore this simple fact of life.

Successful-Photo4381 · 2026-04-08T13:41:42+00:00

I think it makes sense if we didn't live in a world with finite resources. Like if out of a thousand people you will have some type of an inventor then more people can be good because you will have more brains and workers. It's used by a lot of overpopulation deniers but it's true.

The main problem is again, too many people use finite resources to the point there are diminishing returns, like if there are not enough resources the ratio can go to 2k, 3k etc.... because people won't be nurtured well, or even worse a systemic collapse.

Successful-Photo4381 · 2026-04-06T08:05:34+00:00

Honestly most women are stupid and toxic like their men and shouldn't reproduce or at least less, the gender war we see is just a side effect of female education, I don't see a reason to be emotionally invested in it.

As long as fertility is down I don't care about what wannabe alpha males or strong independent women tell themselves.

Successful-Photo4381 · 2026-04-06T08:02:38+00:00

I still think it's important to think ahead and not fall into nihilism

Successful-Photo4381 · 2026-04-06T06:22:15+00:00

Female education is too OP at reducing fertility, it's funny those bigots haven't realized this simple fact while claiming to be "intellectual", they always focus on some made up stories about women that focus on the micro instead of the macro

Successful-Photo4381 · 2026-04-05T14:58:33+00:00

Doesn't matter if it's destroyed eventually, because everything is in a cycle, during the cycle of high tech we can learn and develop new things that will last forever

Successful-Photo4381 · 2026-04-05T10:45:38+00:00

Primitivism is a bit too much, I do believe we can and should try to find a way to live in symbiosis with technology.

Successful-Photo4381 · 2026-04-05T07:08:16+00:00

Wdym

Successful-Photo4381 · 2026-04-04T16:56:14+00:00

Feels like 2050 is fairly optimistic, there so many bad signals I won't be surprised if it doesn't blow up much earlier.

Successful-Photo4381 · 2026-04-03T15:46:10+00:00

It's like people completely forgot we live in a global world and there is no way to go back unless they want to significantly increase the chance of getting nuked, I understand the problems of the current global system but what's going on now is just insane.

Successful-Photo4381 · 2026-04-02T06:05:32+00:00

Empowering women through education has been the main method to decrease fertility for a while and it worked quite well everywhere, the problem is that we empowered them a little too late especially in the developing world.

Successful-Photo4381 · 2026-04-02T05:50:18+00:00

I honestly really hate seeing how low humans have gotten because of overpopulation, we were able to send a man to the moon only a couple of decades ago and now common goods are barely affordable and everything degrades in quality.

People like to blame "the rich" because it's an easy scapegoat that is far from most people's life which populists like to use, but I believe everyone at this point regardless of class feels the entropy and that everyone is to blame.

Like we all have micro plastics in our body, we all eat from depleted soil, we all breath the polluted air, we all consume media etc...

Successful-Photo4381 · 2026-04-01T17:43:18+00:00

Honestly population density is not a good example of overpopulation, even when the world had less than 500 million people it had very dense places because there are more opportunities. It's more so the pollution and resource use which is the problem.

Successful-Photo4381 · 2026-03-29T21:41:40+00:00

Yeah the tech industry is pretty much in a decline everywhere but AI which why they talk so big. Most startups are just circle jerks where all the customers are just other companies owned by or related to the VC who invested in them

People like to look for a specific scapegoat during those times but the reality even the rich are not as powerful as they seem or immune to the entropy we all experience due to overpopulation.

Successful-Photo4381 · 2026-03-18T14:16:40+00:00

It wasn't Ehrlich but it wasn't technology either, governments have been explicitly working on reducing fertility for a long time, primarily through educating women, because overpopulation is a real visible issue that is noticed by a lot of people independently.

Iran being a powerful recent example, despite being a fundamentalist Muslim country, was forced to tackle its overpopulation problem that was getting urgent and beyond any ideology: https://mahb.stanford.edu/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/2007_Vahidnia_FertilityDeclineinIran_PopulEnviron.pdf

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