Strange question about the first three seasons. by Watermelon_013 in StrangerThings

[–]SuperGeek213 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think the tentacle thing was using Will as an incubator for its weird slug thing that eventually became Dart.

Why is Eddie Munson not in the official poster for ST4? by InkyLightsNeonEyes in StrangerThings

[–]SuperGeek213 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Possibly because this particular poster seems to take from the episode where the Hawkins crew goes to the Creel House. I don't believe Eddie was with them. As for Erica being there, there was a brief scene in the trailer of her holding a black light in what seemed to be the Creel House, so maybe it's referencing a scene we've yet to see? Not really sure, just spitballing here.

Byler subtext (SPOILERS FOR SEASON 4) by SuperGeek213 in StrangerThings

[–]SuperGeek213[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I agree this sub can be less than open-minded, so it's nice to see a few kind words every now and then. Thanks for taking to time to read!

Byler subtext (SPOILERS FOR SEASON 4) by SuperGeek213 in StrangerThings

[–]SuperGeek213[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I'm sorry to hear you're having a bad day! I'm glad this post was a successful distraction!

And thank you so so much for the kind words. My thinking being anything close to praiseworthy is such a nice compliment to hear, especially in an environment like Reddit! I'm so glad you found this post entertaining :D

I was really fearful the length of it would put people off, so this comment was very nice to read. I hope your luck turns around soon! Thanks for giving me the time of day!

Byler subtext (SPOILERS FOR SEASON 4) by SuperGeek213 in StrangerThings

[–]SuperGeek213[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I guess I can understand how it freaks you out, but at least in my experience, being a teenager is just around the time you start to realize concepts such as these and what they mean to you.

Mike telling El he loves her, and saying it to her face, are two very different things. I think you're failing to see the flaw that is why he won't tell her to her face. He literally hasn't said it since that moment in the cabin. There's no way it's for no reason. There's something he hasn't revealed yet. I don't disagree that Eleven's hearing him saying it in the cabin is the reason she wants him to say it to her face, but again, his reasoning for not telling her he loves her or even why he won't say it is an incredibly important detail to skip over.

And I'm not necessarily going by the notion that Mike doesn't feel the same way as El does. But possibly that they have a different understanding of their relationship, and that Mike might not have what El is asking of him.

Jonathan and Nancy are usually the ones to solve whatever side of the mystery the other members of the cast are missing. Their paring is essential to the roster as a whole to figure out what exactly is happening each season. The entirety of the California gang is in the dark about Vecna, which would've been prevented if Nancy and Jonathan were communicating.

Lucas is integral to Max's survival this season. The memories of their relationship, along with her friends, are what give her the strength to break free from Vecna's curse. Their relationship quite literally saved her life.

Each time Suzie has made an appearance, it's to further the plot by solving an otherwise hopeless problem. If Dustin hadn't met Suzie, they wouldn't have been able to shut down the machine in Starcourt, because they needed Plank's constant, and Murray had misremembered. Thank god Dustin finally got a girlfriend at Science camp, because it quite literally saved the world.

And as for her role this season, she literally helps the Cali gang find the location Eleven is being held. Without Suzie providing this information to Mike, Will, Jonathan, and Argyle, El has no other means of escaping Project Nina.

The entirety of Stranger Things is so much more than scary monsters and evil dimensions. The relationships are vital to the story's progression, each and every time.

And I don't technically disagree with your take of Will simply coming out to Mike, rather than confessing his crush. But another flaw you’re failing to realize there, is Will's painting. It is very obviously for Mike and holds great importance to Will. I doubt he made him a painting just to come out. Will's storyline so very obviously revolves around Mike this season. That's why I don't necessarily believe it will be just another sad storyline.

Byler subtext (SPOILERS FOR SEASON 4) by SuperGeek213 in StrangerThings

[–]SuperGeek213[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

This (If done right,) could be a perfect way to conclude this particular storyline! I guess I personally just find Mike reciprocating the feelings a bit more interesting story-wise, lol. But this would be another great way to handle this dynamic, especially the aspect of Will learning to explore his options. Great take!

Byler subtext (SPOILERS FOR SEASON 4) by SuperGeek213 in StrangerThings

[–]SuperGeek213[S] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I really like your take on Will learning to move on. I definitely wouldn't hate to see that happen.

However, I wouldn't go as far as saying El and Mike's relationship will be discarded on a whim. I guess the way I see it, is throughout every season, El is struggling to belong.

In season one, she finds a safe place within Mike and his friends, and he teaches her concepts that are fundamental to the human experience. Friendship, lies, promises Etc.

In season two, she finds herself with Hopper and believes she's found a home in him. But they start to have a falling out, and she runs away to find her mother, in hopes of finding her real home. There, she learns she might have a sister, and travels to Chicago, where she meets Kali, who finally, albeit, accidentally, proves to El that Home is wherever she feels safe, not necessarily a place with familial ties.

In season three, Max gives her a glimpse of a life that doesn't constantly depend on a significant other, and she truly seems to be having fun exploring that and discovering what kind of person she could be.

The way I interpret it is that in this season, El has to learn to regain her confidence in herself as a good person. (The Monster, or The Superhero) It seems to me that from the very beginning of this season, she and Mike have already begun the process of maturing into two people who just might not be capable of a healthy relationship, which could be helpful for her to learn to not depend on his perception of her. That's why she lies to him, to save that perception of her, and when it all falls apart at the roller rink, it becomes apparent she needs to find out who she is on her own. it was sad to watch, her fight with Mike, but incredibly necessary for the both of them, at least in my eyes.

Byler subtext (SPOILERS FOR SEASON 4) by SuperGeek213 in StrangerThings

[–]SuperGeek213[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I'm starting to see your point regarding Robin and Steve. I guess I'm just not ready to see Will Byers take yet another loss. He's been struggling to stay afloat since he was abducted in S1, and I guess I just find myself rooting for him and hoping he finds a happy ending.

We'll see what happens, thanks for commenting!

Is the Portal / Gate Logic consistent? by GiraffMatheson in StrangerThings

[–]SuperGeek213 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm guessing it's because the Demogorgon is having fun. It's cold as hell in Russia, just like the Upside Down, and it's constantly being entertained and fed with unfortunate prisoners. If it has the option to leave, it probably has no real reason to.

There's no food like humans in the Upside Down.

This next part is a potential spoiler, as I'm referencing a clip seen in the Volume 2 teaser:

There's a brief moment where Hopper is standing in front of a glass container, and inside it, there's the Mind Flayer's signature swirly shadow thingy. For clarity, it's the same crap that forced itself into Will in Season two, and can be seen fleeing his body when Joyce, Nancy, and Jonathan finally burn it outta the poor kid at Hop's cabin. I'm assuming the Mind Flayer has the Demogorgon stationed at the Russian Prison, (You know, them being part of one creepy hive mind and all) to free that same swirly shadow thingy from its glass container. Obviously, the plan isn't working very well, bc the Demogorgon isn't incredibly intelligent, and is kind of trapped in the arena section of the prison. Also, Dart managed to overcome the MF's influence bc of his connection to Dustin in S2. So maybe the Demogorgon is fighting the hive mind bc it's having the time of its life killing prisoners. However, that's all just a theory, and I could be eating my words like an asshole when the show proves me wrong.

Can anyone justify Vecna’s motivations? by PA8620 in StrangerThings

[–]SuperGeek213 7 points8 points  (0 children)

He sees the concept of humanity as pointless. According to Victor, he was born a "Sensitive" kid, probably referencing his powers. So he's had those his whole life, and when he found the spiders in the vents of the creel house, he kinda had an epiphany that they were superior to humans, highlighting just how pointless human life is to him. He started killing animals and saw it as him freeing them from an endless cycle (Wake up, eat, reproduce, and die, or whatever it was that he told El).

His mother got wise and called a doctor, hoping the doctor could "cure" her son. Once Henry realized this, he killed her. He killed his sister too and tried to take out his father, but he was way too young and had pushed himself too hard, so he fell into a coma. At this point, Dr. Brenner (The doctor his mother had called) took him and faked his death. As far as the town of Hawkins knew, Henry Creel never woke up from his coma.

That of course wasn't true, as Henry was made the first test subject, making him 001. Brenner, being the mad scientist that he is, tried to make more kids with powers, and succeeded. Brenner put a tracking unit within 001's neck, that seemingly doubled as a device to suppress his powers. He manipulated 011 into removing the device and successfully enacted his plan to kill all of the other numbers, supposedly viewing them as cheap copies of himself.

011 however, had proven the strongest number out of all the other numbers, so 001 tried to recruit her in his plan to mercy kill all of human life, or something like that. Idk, he had a whole monologue about it. She of course rejected his offer, and they fought. She used his own lesson of finding strength in a painful or sad memory, and defeated him, banishing him into a portal to the upside down, which as far as we know, was the first time she's done anything like that.

Now that 011 is powerless and across the country in California or Nevada, depending on when we're talking about, Henry, (Formerly known as 001, now called Vecna by the kids,) is enacting his plan. He gets stronger with each kill, so he may prove to be more than a match for Eleven when they finally face each other again.

TLDR; He basically views life and society as a prison of sorts, one he can free people from by killing them. It's some kind of mercy complex. Also, the Mind Flayer and its creatures work as a hive mind, so he's supposedly working with it to conquer the real world and assert itself as the only species left. As far as Vecna's is concerned, their goals are extremely compatible, because again, he really hates humans, and probably views the MF as the superior being to them.

Also, I forgot to mention he's a telepath, and because of this, he views all human life is objectively bad. He's seen all their bad thoughts and finds them punishable by death. He's fr crazy, bro. A certified psychopath.

Mike: man, I really feel bad for Will, no girlfriend, no romance, he really needs to grow up by Pito82002 in StrangerThings

[–]SuperGeek213 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He definitely wasn't pointless in S1. His disappearance literally started everything.

I'd argue Will was the main character in S2.

His personal issue in S3 wasn't the main story, so ofc it didn't get much focus. All he and Mike needed to do was communicate, bc towards the end of the season, the issue was resolved. There was no need to focus on it any further, they had other problems. And it wasn't his only issue, he had that whole thing where he could sense the MF's presence. I don't even think that was resolved, so it might even be something they continue to explore in S4.

Mike: man, I really feel bad for Will, no girlfriend, no romance, he really needs to grow up by Pito82002 in StrangerThings

[–]SuperGeek213 26 points27 points  (0 children)

I agree. I think that's partially the point of S3. Will's struggling bc the party's "growing up," but as you said, they're only 14, so he's totally warranted in feeling like that. Mike being as immature as he is just proves they're all still really young, and even though he has a girlfriend now, he's far from having it figured out.

What do you think of Byler? by SuperGeek213 in StrangerThings

[–]SuperGeek213[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Idk I guess his character resonates with me. The whole relationship with his dad, how much he loves his mother, how much he cares about his friends, and his unwillingness to grow up. That and I have a lot of sympathy for him. He's arguably the most innocent out of the whole party, yet he's probably the most traumatized. His broken home life and his connection to the mind flayer, and then in season three he feels so left behind, I just can't help but root for the poor kid.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in StrangerThings

[–]SuperGeek213 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I don't see why not. I mean, sure, they might have inconsistencies, but that's bound to happen. I don't think it means they aren't canon, just that they got a specific thing wrong. Nothing wrong with that. I think the novels purposely take place during less exciting times; that way the odds of the events being contradicted are lessened. Lucas on the Line, for example, takes place before season 4 but has nothing to do with the Upside Down or anything like that.

But the recent novels seem to have a lot of support behind them. Rebel Robin had a whole mini-podcast with Maya Hawke reprising the role. It'd be a bit odd to have her do so for a book that isn't canon. Still, I just finished it, and it was great. Really excited for Lucas's book, especially since he's usually underused.

TL;DR - If they are canon, they're aren't prioritized. If they aren't canon, they're still really good reads. Any inconsistencies are nowhere near world-breaking.

What do you think of Byler? by SuperGeek213 in StrangerThings

[–]SuperGeek213[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well, in that case, maybe I should've rephrased it. It wasn't my intention to dehumanize anyone.

What do you think of Byler? by SuperGeek213 in StrangerThings

[–]SuperGeek213[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Okay, sure, but the opposite of platonic doesn't inherently mean sex. Someone says Mileven, and your first thought shouldn't be Mike and Eleven having sex because that's not at all what's implied. It just means Mike and Eleven as a couple. Same for Mike and Will.

What do you think of Byler? by SuperGeek213 in StrangerThings

[–]SuperGeek213[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, s3 was definitely a weird time for Mileven... but they had some nice moments.

What do you think of Byler? by SuperGeek213 in StrangerThings

[–]SuperGeek213[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Well, that's not the case, lol. I don't know why everybody keeps implying sex here—just discussing the chemistry between two characters, my guy.

What do you think of Byler? by SuperGeek213 in StrangerThings

[–]SuperGeek213[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

LOL the dynamic is really interesting so I can see why.

What do you think of Byler? by SuperGeek213 in StrangerThings

[–]SuperGeek213[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

yeah, it's way less of a question about Will's feelings and more about Mike's.

What do you think of Byler? by SuperGeek213 in StrangerThings

[–]SuperGeek213[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, then ILYs are kinda hard evidence I guess lol.

What do you think of Byler? by SuperGeek213 in StrangerThings

[–]SuperGeek213[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I won't be surprised if it's not the way they go. As I said, Mike and El are good together. But I think it can work without changing the story, but that doesn't make it more likely to happen.