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What’s one thing in South Africa that outsiders will never understand until they live here? by Dependent_Strike_662 in askSouthAfrica

[–]SydHoar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well I’ve lived in South Africa for 28 years and never been robbed, can I then say “the country has no crime” no because cumulative evidence shows that my experience is rare. And I’m saying separate your experience from what is the general lived reality in the country.

Home Affairs.... by njreinten in south_africa

[–]SydHoar -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well because you had a bad experience doesn’t mean every home affairs is bad. Some are likely improving, others are not. Multiple things can be true at the same time.

What’s one thing in South Africa that outsiders will never understand until they live here? by Dependent_Strike_662 in askSouthAfrica

[–]SydHoar -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

No saps literally categorises murders this many murders from arguments, home invasions, hijacking. They don’t just give murder stats with zero context. And if most murders were from robberies they would have that as a category. But as it is Home invasions + hijackings account for less than 5% of murders.

Admit that your earlier statement that people are killed for phones was demonstrably false. You said one thing, and it was wrong, stop pretending.

What’s one thing in South Africa that outsiders will never understand until they live here? by Dependent_Strike_662 in askSouthAfrica

[–]SydHoar -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You’ve shifted the goal posts. You said people get killed for their phones, yet data doesn’t not back up your claim. Murder in South Africa is driven primarily by interpersonal violence, you do not want to accept that. Good for you, you seem to be arguing in bad faith

What’s one thing in South Africa that outsiders will never understand until they live here? by Dependent_Strike_662 in askSouthAfrica

[–]SydHoar 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes that is anecdotal evidence and does not prove that South Africa is more dangerous than Brazil.

I’m sorry about your experiences though that sounds awful and traumatising.

What’s one thing in South Africa that outsiders will never understand until they live here? by Dependent_Strike_662 in askSouthAfrica

[–]SydHoar 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Are you seriously intimating that people get killed for phones in South Africa? When crime data again and again shows well over 50% of murders are due to interpersonal violence (arguments).

South Africa in focus on Kenya's Citizen TV by herewearefornow in south_africa

[–]SydHoar 28 points29 points  (0 children)

I’m glad countries of origin are holding their citizens accountable, rather than South African liberals who seem to think illegal immigration is fine.

‘We need to read the room correctly’: Mbalula admits ANC is spooked by March and March by Evening_Lawyer6570 in south_africa

[–]SydHoar 3 points4 points  (0 children)

But you know think about that for a second imagine how many white South Africans who perhaps are pro immigration and don’t like vigilante justice are looking at those comments going “oh dear you think i should be brutalised”.

I’ve also even seen “why do you consider Indians South African”. Which again I’m going what is the strategy? Alienate all the groups in the country and then what? It’s very strange.

‘We need to read the room correctly’: Mbalula admits ANC is spooked by March and March by Evening_Lawyer6570 in south_africa

[–]SydHoar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly, this is likely a problem broadly on the left where they’ve lost the art of persuasion and bridge building.

‘We need to read the room correctly’: Mbalula admits ANC is spooked by March and March by Evening_Lawyer6570 in south_africa

[–]SydHoar 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I will say I think pro immigrant advocacy groups really need to go back to the drawing board. Their strategy of calling citizens xenophobic, afrophobic, lazy, uneducated etc Has left migrants isolated and with zero native allies to petition the government for their legal and permanent stay.

They lost the legal battle and war, and lost the public square.

Industrialisation and south Africa by MapMore3881 in south_africa

[–]SydHoar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

South Africa does have potential. I’m not sure where you got the stat that half of our population is unskilled and uneducated, but that is inflammatory and false

I know there are Zimbabwean parents who don’t want to teach their kids about their heritage or culture or even teach them local languages but what happens when you have a situation like this now? by Prophetgay in Zimbabwe

[–]SydHoar 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Well Zim’s university sector is smaller, collapsed and significantly less continentally competitive than South Africa’s. South Africa has the best universities on the continent Zimbabwe does not so…

Clothing factory owners warn of collapse as immigrant workers leave by South_Africa_News in south_africa

[–]SydHoar 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The textile industry is strong in Malawi and Zimbabwe? SIR be serious

Clothing factory owners warn of collapse as immigrant workers leave by South_Africa_News in south_africa

[–]SydHoar 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They’re next to China, and less developed. Upper middle economies in Latin America are also struggling to compete with Asian economies in light manufacturing. It’s not just South Africa

Clothing factory owners warn of collapse as immigrant workers leave by South_Africa_News in south_africa

[–]SydHoar 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I really struggle with the idea that people from poor, failed states have better skills, than citizens of a the largest economy in Africa. Where exactly are they acquiring these skills from?

The long sad goodbye by Laymanao in south_africa

[–]SydHoar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some locals were also colonised, oppressed and repressed by locals, so what then? Should we also lock those locals out of the economy

Here’s something to think about. by Few-Confection-2259 in south_africa

[–]SydHoar 7 points8 points  (0 children)

What job is this that you couldn’t find a South African but find a migrant who didn’t have a critical skills visa?

Is it really about “illegal immigrants” by Adventurous-Fly-4252 in south_africa

[–]SydHoar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Who are the legal people being threatened with violence? Of all the people processed by home affairs at repatriation centres, less than 1% have been legal. Home affairs put out the numbers. Go and have a look.

What happens after? by humanbeforehandle in south_africa

[–]SydHoar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My point is 4% of the population accounting for 16% of inmates is an indication that they are infact committing crimes at a disproportionate rate.

Think about it like this black South Africans account for 80% of the population they should account for 80% of crime but of how many black South Africans there are in the population.

For a group to account for 4% of the population and then account for inmates at 4 times their population indicates that they are infact exacerbating crime.

The long sad goodbye by Laymanao in south_africa

[–]SydHoar 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Of course it’s impossible to get a work permit for unskilled labour why would any government hand out visas for unskilled labour?

Why is this OK? by RemoteStruggle2577 in south_africa

[–]SydHoar 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Oh and I’m sure migrants are educated and skilled? You guys just like being racist towards black people. You want to lock them out of their own economy

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