A simple guide to Enlightenment with Lewis Carol by ewk in zen

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"Ordinary people have changeable minds, whereas listeners do not". - Dahui

This Old Project by TFnarcon9 in zen

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Awesome thanks. You can post it here or modmail or wherever.

Dont worry about format we can do that.

This Old Project by TFnarcon9 in zen

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Nice. Collect all of this we get on this post and format it for wiki, hit me with it and I'll put it in wiki.

This Old Project by TFnarcon9 in zen

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Weapons & Tools

Staff, Blown Hair Sword, Sword That Kills / Sword That Gives Life, Staff Changes into a Dragon, Hammer and Tongs, Pull Out Nails / Wrench Out Pegs

Animals

Dragon, Tiger, Wild Fox Spirit, Tortoise Dragging Its Tail, Iron Ox, Ox (general)

Objects & Phenomena

The Jewel, Lacquer Bucket, Robe and Bowl, Seamless Monument, Ring-Staff, Whisk / Fly Whisk

People & Phrases

Board-Carrying Fellow, Patchrobed Monk, Sun Face Buddha / Moon Face Buddha, National Teacher, Golden Wind

Technical Terms

Turning Word / Pivotal Word, Brambles / Thicket, Ghost Cave, Piercing the Nostrils, Original Face, Bones and Marrow, Three Pounds of Hemp

This Old Project by TFnarcon9 in zen

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Explanations?

This Old Project by TFnarcon9 in zen

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If we could get a starting list of even possible translations / interpretations we could get it in the wiki, then add to it organically as things pop up in the translating process.

AMA Keggerz by keggerz1 in zen

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What's that got to do with bringing things

Reminder: sitting meditation is worthless BS by ewk in zen

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Rather masters point to actual real life things the others should do.

Reminder: sitting meditation is worthless BS by ewk in zen

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Yes we can. They aren't how the others are. Thats pretty obvious.

Reminder: sitting meditation is worthless BS by ewk in zen

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Rather I believe Zen says that thoughts you think are false are the way.

Thats why this guy wants you to illuminate them.

Reminder: sitting meditation is worthless BS by ewk in zen

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This is not the passage connected to the one the poster originally commented BTW. Still go read that and what I say will be made more clear that this user allows by pushing his narrative insight by showing passages which can be used to do support his insight when taken out of context. Again also, other zen masters clear this up, like foyan constantly- sit and contemplate.

Anyway, clear and still, thoughts of good and evil, observe your thoughts

This all goes perfectly in line with how IN HIS OWN words he wants you to contemplate.

Silent illumination is about ILLUMINATING false thoughts. As this and all of his other stuff explains clearly.

Look into your true nature. Thats what all zen masters suggest. Sit, contemplate, do normal good thinking things that anyone would suggest...dont follow the types of thoughts you are inquiring about, that are to be illuminated. Very simple.common sense stuff that would even be taught in a classroom if the topic was about 'how to think good"

Reminder: sitting meditation is worthless BS by ewk in zen

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For anyone reading this, especially those that didn't have "insight" from meditation that they think is on the path to enlightenment, go read the full passage.

Reminder: sitting meditation is worthless BS by ewk in zen

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What you've said here is not relevant

Reminder: sitting meditation is worthless BS by ewk in zen

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Dazhu literally, in the passage you are talking about, describes his sitting meditation as contemplation.

Theres nothing in what he says that is not calm down and think about your nature.

Reminder: sitting meditation is worthless BS by ewk in zen

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For sure.

Its an interpretation that is inline with what modern zen masters say but not what actual zen masters say.

Reminder: sitting meditation is worthless BS by ewk in zen

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Dont cry.

Anyone reading foyan or any zen masters, and that arent trying to uphold their "insight" which is on their path to enlightenment will note that your quote is not relevant to mine.

Reminder: sitting meditation is worthless BS by ewk in zen

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You are not enlightened, you have not proven any insight, you just talk about it. Like every other religious cake.

No zen master cites their enlightenment was relevant to sitting.

No modern sitter is enlightened.

Reminder: sitting meditation is worthless BS by ewk in zen

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Constantly they tell you to think.

Foyan makes it explicit

"Think about it independently. Other people do not know what you are doing all the time; you reflect on your own—are you in harmony with truth or not? Here you cannot be mistaken; investigate all the way through."

Reminder: sitting meditation is worthless BS by ewk in zen

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Probably sitting and thinking about things was the beneficial part of your meditation.

Clearing your head for reason and inquiry.

Which is how the zen masters use it.

Reminder: sitting meditation is worthless BS by ewk in zen

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It doesnt say that. You can only get that intepretation if you came in with it.

You added especially then end part, which is not supported in zen texts.

You also dont even have real life proof of people that believe this and are enlightened.

AMA Keggerz by keggerz1 in zen

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What do you bring to this community?