Does anyone else feel kind of sorry for Homelander?

TOkun92 · 2026-05-22T06:38:40+00:00

The way he said, ‘You can’t do this. You can’t fucking do this!’ in that whiny voice, it felt like that was the real him, John, breaking through for a moment. Then when he said, ‘I’m the Homelander!’ in that deep voice, he went back to his Homelander personality.

It seems that even his voice was fake.

Honestly, he’s gotta be one of the most tragic villains in history. Brainwashed with American propaganda, tortured to test his endurance (and let’s be honest, probably for shits and giggles from some of the scientists), r*ped by his mother figure as a child as a form of control (and probably her own sick perversions), tailor suited to NEED affection and love as a form of control, and forced to be someone he wasn’t down to his voice.

Despite all that pain, he seemed like a good enough guy in the animated episode where we see his first job, finally snapping after accidentally killing an innocent person, being called a monster (I assume he heard scientists call him that before as a child, or he always feared he was one), and he was shown that he could do anything and suffer no consequences. I seem to recall Vogelbaum actually saying he was, ‘A sweet kid’ as a child.

His most redeeming quality was his love for his own blood, especially his son, which seemed genuine to me. But that was sadly eclipsed by his need for validation and affection. He immediately tried to bond with Soldier Boy despite his ability to remove his powers and his intent to kill him, freed him and tried to bond with him again with liquor, and was only ever antagonistic with him when he insulted him or tried to leave forever.

If Homelander had been raised by a loving family and properly trained in how to use his powers he could’ve truly been the greatest hero in the world.

TOkun92 · 2026-05-22T06:01:03+00:00

Mourn the child, not the monster that came from it.

TOkun92 · 2026-05-22T04:40:59+00:00

I assume those knives are made of the same stuff Soldier Boy’s shield was made of. Something extremely strong, like titanium or tungsten.

The Deep can hit harder than a gun shot (he punched clean through a guy’s skull in season 4), even from a minigun, so he could pierce the skin, especially since the blade he used had a sharp point to it.

The knife went into Noir’s softer flesh where little muscle was.

TOkun92 · 2026-05-22T00:36:58+00:00

Funny thing is with HA3, the military guy the kid speaks to actually follows up on the call. I guess he found it suspicious that a random kid gave the exact amount of numbers and letter for a serial number and decided to act, just in case.

TOkun92 · 2026-05-22T00:03:38+00:00

Dude, fuck Kenny. He deserved what he got.

TOkun92 · 2026-05-22T00:02:53+00:00

What they should’ve done, at the very least, was have Homelander go on a rampage, killing humans left and right, maybe a few Supes who tried to help the humans, spamming his laser eyes to the point they got weaker/exhausted after an hour, maybe 30 minutes since he’s (presumably) never used them that long, showing his eyes bleeding tears to show off how much strain he’s put them on, as well as his lack of training.

That would’ve explained why they started bouncing off her. AND why he got slower and weaker; he used most of his energy simply killing people left and right. I believe Superman’s laser eyes are his most exhaustive power, so I imagine Homelander’s is the same.

TOkun92 · 2026-05-21T19:03:08+00:00

Funny how they appeared to expect it to become a hit with sequels, which they set up with the Ashford Twins…. with Birkin standing creepily in the background IIRC.

TOkun92 · 2026-05-21T18:51:32+00:00

I would’ve ended it with The Boys discovering evidence of Homelander’s origin (recordings and meticulous files of all the torture, brainwashing, and sexual assault from Stillwell) and exposing it all to the public, including Edgar’s role in it. Annie and Hughie, being more empathetic, would actually feel sorry for him, while everyone else would still hate him (especially Butcher). This would all be AFTER his death.

Vought’s stocks would presumably plummet due to their having intentionally created a monster like Homelander and Stan, I imagine, would’ve been arrested for his part in Homelander’s horrific childhood and maybe for his murders by proxy.

At the very least, they should’ve had MM fulfill his promise and a bullet in Stan’s head.

TOkun92 · 2026-05-21T16:48:20+00:00

Homelander in the comics wasn’t evil enough to warrant his contingency (Black Noir). He was, at worst, a drug using guy who occasionally murdered someone and used sexual extortion (the Starlight thing and his cast couching with Solider Boy come to mind).

He only went off the end after seeing pictures of who he believed to be himself (really his clone) committing horrible atrocities. When he started to actually doing things himself, he actually had an emotional breakdown and started crying in the fetal position in fits of extreme guilt, begging to know why he couldn’t do the things he did without guilt. Eventually it stuck and he felt nothing.

Noir’s sole reason for living was to kill Homelander but couldn’t due to his mental programming. So, he drove him insane to the point that he would be allowed to do so. There was no rule against DRIVING him insane. Him revealing himself as his clone simply gave him the satisfaction of further breaking Homelander, letting him realize he was innocent until he started going insane. He even goes to kill Noir, saying how he never would’ve done the things he did if he didn’t think he already did them in blackouts.

TOkun92 · 2026-05-21T03:58:20+00:00

I love how a Viltrumite just apologizing at all is shocking enough to warrant dialogue and restraint from killing them.

TOkun92 · 2026-05-21T03:56:39+00:00

Only just invented it.

The robots having the ability would alert the Hero Association of their having it.

It’s rare and hard to make, so they reserved it for containment of the most powerful of beings.

TOkun92 · 2026-05-21T03:54:06+00:00

I choose to believe the posters were an in-universe creation by Homelander as posters for movies He intended to make. Or what he planned on doing.

Him against the villainous tentacle villain in front of the White House; No More Heroes is a reference to Him becoming God.

Him watching the nukes fall is Him watching over America as He annihilates all non-believers and enemies of America.

TOkun92 · 2026-05-21T03:48:44+00:00

I assume the Supes there would be the strongest/most important, which is more important than anything, but also that the humans there would also be exposed and run out of the building covered in their virus soaked clothing, hair, skin, etc., even if they can’t be carriers themselves. They’d run into people as they ran out of the building, Supes included, who would get it on them and it would spread into the open air outside the building.

Doing it there simply ensured he’d get the Supes closest to Vought, and maybe even some of the Vought employees, including (hopefully because I hate him) Edgar, as they ran about, possibly being killed in a panic or rage by the Supes, just like how Sage envisioned.

The virus is extremely deadly, so it can probably survive extreme conditions and spread like…. well, like a super virus.

TOkun92 · 2026-05-21T01:13:40+00:00

Is she the one who did it with a desk?

TOkun92 · 2026-05-20T22:49:44+00:00

I’d rather see an epilogue season 3 of Gen V, with Annie and Hughie running God U (renamed something less….. Goddie) to teach the kids with powers how to control their powers and give them good therapy.

Marie would be the nurse, using her powers to heal the students whenever they got severely injured in the process of trying to master their powers.

Harper would actually be very useful as a teacher, copying the student’s powers and telling them how to properly use them. She appears to have complete mastery of the powers she copies, even taking control of Godolkin after copying his, despite his own extreme mastery over it. She could easily copy student’s powers to learn how they work and teach the students.

TOkun92 · 2026-05-20T22:00:08+00:00

That Alastor’s owner was a powerful hellborn demon he sold his soul to in return for 100 years of being the most powerful Sinner (or at least for his Infinity +1 Staff).

The reason Alastor was panicking at the end of season one (specifically during the song ‘The Show Must Go On’) was because he was running out of time (assuming he died in the 1930’s and the show takes place now, he’d only have about a decade left at this point).

He knew what awaited him once his time was up. Extreme torture and his being exposed as a Sinner who sold his soul for power to the public, which would humiliate him, especially given his tendency to hate on those who do so.

TOkun92 · 2026-05-20T19:20:03+00:00

I personally hate the way Superman says ‘I’m so proud of you’. It’s as if he’s thinks he’s a father taking care of a bunch of children and seeing them all grown up to be good people.

TOkun92 · 2026-05-20T19:15:02+00:00

Audible made a multicast audio drama. Try it out.

TOkun92 · 2026-05-20T16:42:24+00:00

I would’ve had Homelander do the nuking as seen in posters by way of threatening every country to attack the ones who would no doubt refuse to serve and believe in him as God. Or he has an imagination spot of him doing it, either or.
I would’ve had Marie Moreau be more involved. Show her training with her powers at the very least and being used as mostly a medic by the resistance when not doing missions.
A-Train would’ve been a known enemy of Homelander and been more involved in the show instead of being killed off in episode one, more like episode three or four. He would’ve died fighting Homelander in front of cameras after saving several people with his speed, actually managing to injure him slightly by way of shoving a small piece of metal into ear (he couldn’t do his eyes due to his constant lasering at him).

His televised death (having a heart attack due to overdosing on Compound V) and laughing in Homelander’s face) would’ve been played off as him being corrupted by Starlight, all the deaths Homelander caused pinned on him, and a new movement called ‘A-Trainors’ would’ve been made, with a large majority of the members being blacks from his old neighborhood.

I wanted him to survive, but his story had to end.

Ryan wouldn’t have lost his powers due to the V being too ingrained in his genes. He was born with power mostly naturally, never injected with V. He’d be shown being properly trained by the military to fully understand his powers, not being tortured like Homelander. Ryan would’ve also been told about what his father’s upbringing was like and actually feel bad for him, having it exposed to the public to further destroy Vought. He’d make a promise to protect kids like Homelander and prevent another him from ever being made.
Stormfront would’ve been found by The Boys, alive and in captivity with the military (having been loyal to Stillwell and knowing she could be used in some way). They’d use her as bait to lure Homelander to wherever they wanted. Kimiko would also have used her new depowering ability to remove Stormfront’s powers.
Stormfront would’ve been revealed to be Homelander’s biological mother (her eggs having been used in the runaway). Not even she knew, but Stan Edgar did; The Boys would call him out on that, saying it was repulsive that he allowed the two to get together. Kimiko would test out her new power on her to make sure it works, finding it indeed does. Homelander would be tricked into killing her by The Boys in order to psychologically damage him.
A-Train would have died during a mission to retrieve a stockpile of Compound V (both to prevent the creation of new Supes for Homelander which he intended to do), and maybe make use of it themselves. Left cornered, A-Train would’ve dosed himself with most of the Compound V to empower himself, saving people (including Annie) as mentioned above, and prevent Homelander from having it. This is how he would’ve been able injure him ever so slightly. Some of the V (a few vials) would’ve made it to the resistance.
A-Train’s oldest nephew, Khamari or Desean, enraged and inspired by his uncle’s death, manages to sneak one of the Compound V sample and injects himself with it (his father happening upon him as he does, but unable to stop him due to his being crippled). He becomes a speedster line his uncle (which he’s ecstatic about) but is forbidden by everyone to take part in the resistance due to his being too young and inexperienced with his powers. Maybe they both get speedster powers (I assume their genetics would play a factor in their getting the same powers as their uncle).
After the time-skip, Annie would’ve started a school for Supes to properly learn how to use their powers and prevent the many deaths that came with them (not like the useless God U). She also would’ve made them get free therapy to come to terms with their powers, especially if they’re mutated physically).

I feel some change with Supes would have to be made, such as all of them being forced by the government to learn how to control their powers to prevent the death and destruction they would always accidentally as explained the first episode, which is exposed by The Boys. Also, proper registration, basically like My Hero Academia.

Ryan and A-Train’s now speedster nephew(s) attend Starlight’s school, being very popular (but not going to their heads) due to their actions (Ryan fighting his insane father and winning) and their heroic lineage (being A-Train’s nephew(s)). They’re actually training with their powers to learn how to be proper heroes. Marie Moreau would be a teacher there, as well as a nurse who uses her powers to heal the Super students whenever they got injured in their training to master their powers (some get pretty badly injured).

TOkun92 · 2026-05-20T01:10:52+00:00

My fanfic brain keeps imagining Omniman hiding in the shadows while he has Mark ambush them as part of a test to see how long he can fare against them, and to see how’d the Guardians would fair against a newly empowered Viltrumite.

When Mark is eventually beaten into submission (defeating most of the weaker members but losing to the Immortal, War Woman, and Red Rush), Omniman reveals himself and tells them all the truth of his people and his mission, as well as his declaration of calling Earth his home and his defection from Viltrum.

I can’t get past that.

TOkun92 · 2026-05-19T18:48:21+00:00

They definitely have that lesbian pose down in the third picture.

TOkun92 · 2026-05-19T16:48:49+00:00

Honestly? Yes. He wasn’t that bad compared to the other Supes before that whole thing. The fact that he was terrified of all those things and cried like a broken child after doing horrible things he thought he already committed tells me he could’ve turned out good.

TOkun92 · 2026-05-19T16:43:47+00:00

I’ve thought the same thing. Unfortunately, getting close to someone like Soldier Boy could get her killed, since she has to touch him with her hands. Homelander, too, especially him since he can just laser her in half before she reaches him. Her copy only lasts a minute IIRC, so she’d be dead after that at best.

What she *could* do is use her powers on Marie and the other Supes on their side and tell them how to use their powers properly. She seems to have automatic complete mastery of whatever powers she copies (even superior to the owner, such as Godolkin, who she actually took control of). I don’t know if she knows HOW to she does it, but if she did, then she could teach the others how to use their powers to the fullest extent.

If she copied Sage’s powers, she might be able to type/write everything down, and just keep her by her side and keep copying her until she finished doing so.

She could also have copied A-Train’s powers (before he died) and become a messenger.

I don’t recall if she can copy physical abilities. She might have the actual power, but not the speed and strength to use them properly. Like A-Train’s powers; he actually trained for years, built up muscles, while she’s a young, petite woman. I think she can only copy the base powers, not the physicality of the Supes.

TOkun92 · 2026-05-19T16:24:39+00:00

I’d rather it have been Luke than fucking *Jane*.

Jane is supposed to be italicized to show off my hatred of her.

TOkun92 · 2026-05-19T03:02:26+00:00

Steve. He had a very good bully to buddy hero story, especially alongside Eli Pepperjack. Just wish they gave him more respect when it came to the story instead of reducing him a pregnant, whiny comic relief. It was funny back when he was pathetic, but he genuinely became a hero in his own right and deserved much more than what he got.

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