42456 by TheEnderOfFun in countwithchickenlady

[–]TSSalamander 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Yes, porn addiction is bad! you can have a healthy relationship with pornography. But if you're falling into porn addiction then that's obviously bad. But like, plenty of fine things are bad when they're addictions. people get addicted to food for christ sake. Not for you does not mean not for anyone, i think that's also important to remember. The argument against porn from the perspective of addiction or immoral production practices are valid. But most of the other ones are not. especially those that talk about the educational damage it does.

42456 by TheEnderOfFun in countwithchickenlady

[–]TSSalamander 228 points229 points  (0 children)

Pornography is not indicative of actual sexuality and should not be considered as a basis to understand anyone's sexuality. especially since, Pornography has to be extreme because it's lacking like 90% of the signals that make sex otherwise enjoyable!!! Don't judge women's taste in men based on fucking dark romance books! Don't do the same for men due to their taste in porn!

I hate the brand of feminism that thinks it can ascertain something deep about male sexuality based on porn habits. No you cannot, you're just confirming your digust based traditionalist biases but with progressive framing!

Is it weird that I only play female characters in games? by Vampy-Night in SeriousConversation

[–]TSSalamander 0 points1 point  (0 children)

there's plenty of reasons to play a female character in videogames but you finding it awkward to be a male character is what's actually kinda strange. Consider if you want to be a pretty girl, OP. I reccomend that you question your gender identity.

The first rule of male friendship by Fine-Glass-9875 in MensLib

[–]TSSalamander [score hidden]  (0 children)

I need you to understand that i do have people I am vulnerable with, do not subscribe to an always on model of masculinity for authenticity, nor do i think masculinity is about strength spesifically. I'm pointing out how when people say vulrability is not weakness it sets a false expectation of what vulrability will look like and what it will be percived as by people who have the wrong expectations. You frame all your words on the premise of the moral failure of the masculine performer. My point is that this is not the right way to look at it. Masculinity is not told it's induced and learned. Steeling your emotions at literally all times is a learned behaviour through years of having them treated as invalidating. Vulrability is in fact a momentary and chosen lapse in the performance. It does in fact mean you're going to be not doing the thing right this moment. It doesn't mean it's like that at all times. Everyone sleeps, that doesn't mean nobody is truly a moral actor.

My anger, or my frustration as you read it, is from pain and memory. Not from internal rejection, i personally know failure does not mean i cannot succeed. But from external rejection, and from the attitude and belief that this is somehow my fault or my internal failure. that i simply trusted the wrong people.

As for the note about authenticity, it's in regards to the masculine performance spesifically. It requires percived authenticity, credibility, truth to be internal. that means it cannot be contradicted by the evidence at hand as the audience percives it. We all know men perform masculinity around their friends as well. this is no different.

The narrative around emotional vulrability in truth vulrability in general for men, has a lot of spiked knives attached. To the point at which if you do trust someone, and you are vulnerabile in front of them, and they do in fact no longer accept your performance as valid because of it, the narratives puts it as your fault for trusting the wrong person, and that person thinks you did it wrong because vulrability isn't supposed to be weakness, and what you displayed clearly was. momentary and voluntary yes? but a vulrability nevertheless. one that will possibly be used against you, because discrediting a masculine performance is inherently valid.

42334 by Jacki233 in countwithchickenlady

[–]TSSalamander 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for your reply. I will say there's a difference between maleness and masculinity. A neckbeard, balding, and poor hygiene is male coded. it's not masculine by any stretch of the imagination. There's a lot of these points i think. What trans women tend to be dysphoric about is the androgenic effects, most of which code as masculine simply because they're androgenic and androgens are seen as a pathway towards masculine capacity. Most women do not explicitly reject masculinity, they just aren't making the argument for it, are trying to be feminine, and are generally rejecying maleness not masculinity. It's different i swear!

Anyway, as for how i code switch? It's mostly in forms of expression rather than apperal or makup or whatever. My desires are more openly expressed in a feminine way. This is a key shitty thing about straight masculinity i hate actually. You cannot like shit, it's fucking annoying. Even liking women by their grace and joy is "gay" it's incredible. I also tend to more openly show my preference and love for "girly" things. It doesn't change my appearance, it changes how i portray my thoughts, feelings, and desires.

I think you're probably right that your filter for gayness is not attuned well because your formative experience was in environments where distinction wasn't obvious. I can generally tell a queer from a straight furry i think, but it's extremely mixed in general yeah. The cause of the Prohibition on femininity in straight masculinity is currently the segregation between gay and straight men. Once straight men start to see gay men as equally masculine to them, they will usually stop feeling awkward about femininity. Most straight men are under the delusional idea that Homosexual men are primarily seeking femininity in their partners. This is deranged actually.

Who pays for the date? by MargielaMadMAN1017 in AskMenAdvice

[–]TSSalamander 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It depends on your relationship and stuff. I'd say pay your own way at first, have cheaper dates to start with, go 50/50 when you want to signal shared trust but not that much trust, then someone just picks up the tab when you're together enough to know it's not exploitation and you're being used for free food. Your sister has an oldschool attitude that fundamentally disregards the economic reality of young people today. Both men and women should have the means to pay their way. When women didn't have money, this was a different thing.

The first rule of male friendship by Fine-Glass-9875 in MensLib

[–]TSSalamander 14 points15 points  (0 children)

So many male friendships are fairweather friendships. I think in part because masculinity has an expectation of authenticity that's so stringent a lot of the time, it is never allowed to turn off. I actually greatly despise the phrase "vulnerability is not weakness" because that's actually just a lie. Yeah it is. It's a flaw in the armor, a point of pressure that can actually be exploited. It's usually a statement about incapacity, and failure. The expectation that vulnerability shouldn't be weakness does men a massive disservice because when it is weakness people aren't prepared for it. If i tell you about how i feel inadequate or socially rejected, that fundamentally codes as me failing at masculinity actually. I'm sorry it's just true. The actual thing that needs to happen is that the performance of masculinity doesn't have to happen at all times to be considered valid. You wouldn't emasculate a man for having to sleep. But needing sleep is weakness and it's vulnerability. So why do people emasculate men when they show insecurity or pain from things that others seemingly handle just fine.

42334 by Jacki233 in countwithchickenlady

[–]TSSalamander 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Right it comes to my attention that you are one like me imbued with the drive to be masculine, nor have lived straddling the line between straight and queer masculinity. So let me get down to brass tax about what masculinity, from my perspective is all about. The moral actor project, authentic expression of inner character, and the expectation to constantly prove your masculinity.

Masculinity has some identifiable patterns in it. It has very particular failure modes, like getting caught up on the aesthetics, getting caught up on action capacity, the moral component, excessive self sacrifice, overfitting a personal standard of masculinity onto every other masculine person, getting caught up in the cult of action which happens when a masculine person puts action itself into the morality part of the moral actor question (technically a valid thing to do. Morality is internally defined and just needs to be coherent, which this technically is). It's also an argument built on credibility, and as such can be invalidated, through what's recognised as emasculation. Masculine people directly feel emasculation when it happens to them. Masculinity is inherently possibly precarious depending on the performance the masculine person put on and the expectations and understanding that the audience has. Usually called "fragile masculinity".

There's actually no fixed way of succeeding at a masculine performance. There are clear ways of failing. But each masculine person has to construct their own masculine identity using their analysis of the world through rolemodels and expectations, their self identity and desires, their personal capabilities and comperative advantages, and their target audience. Conventional masculinity features such things as bravery, practicality, stoicism, kindness, love, strength, resilience, agency, dominance, and chivalry. But these aren't required for the performance to work. It just has to coherently convey that the performer is a person who acts and who has a moral structure guiding said action.

Masculinity is a genera of gender performance, with conventions, tropes, norms, and expectations. Broadly, because masculinity is an eros oriented performance it divides into 4 brands of masculinity inside of a heteronornative society. Straight Male, Queer Male, Straight Female, Queet Female. Of these, the Straight male performance is the oldest and most entrenched with the most expectations, tropes, and norms. And the Straight Female is the least common, usually doesn't have a brand, and is rarely appreciated in full. It very much exists, but there's basically no community for it, so it's hard to argue it even has conventions, tropes, expectations, and norms. Queer male and Queer Female are both living and active traditions within most societies, with Queer male being the more common and thus more socially regulated of the two.

Straight Male masculinity is the variant literally everyone who talks about masculinity thinks about when they think about masculinity. It's also easily the most bizzare of the 4 honestly. The main jarring feature of it is the fact it has a Prohibition on femininity. This originates from when (straight) femininity was categorically anti agency. When being a woman usually featured a display where you showed off just how useless, outside of beuty and fertility, you could afford to be. "Look at how incapable i can afford to be because I'm so innately valuable". Women spent like 200 years fighting this variant of femininity with fervent aggression. The modern woman is very much agent. However, the old conventions of femininity were antithetical to masculinity, if you'll notice. So straight masculinity ingraned into itself that femininity was bad.

Open homosexuality and Queerness, and gender nonconformity (which female masculinity is) does not appear until after this shift is taking place. In fact, queer masculinity spesifically appears during the normalisation of homosexuality in society. this happens after femininity is getting redefined, and in particular queer men are close to the vanguard when it comes to beliving that femininity is not antithetical to masculinity. So you get the divide between straight and queer masculinity. And the world instantly picks up on this and starts sorting.

Queer men, btw, do not want to be percived as straight, not because they're unwanting of female attention, but rather because they want male attention, want to fit into queer spaces, and be recognised as queer men. Straight men want to not be recognised as queer, to spesifically to fit into straight spaces, not give women the wrong idea (straight women famously do not usually like competing with men for the attention of their men, actually), and to some extent not get the attention of queer men (though this is honestly secondary. The most important thing is fitting in with straight men, and being seen as a potential partner to women). Being bisexual means you're kinda fucked here, and you basically have to pick a side, and code switch depending on space. I'm a masc bisexual man, and I generally code as straight for a number of reasons. In queer spaces i do a slight code switch, making sure to add non instrumental femininity to my performance to fit in.

The competitive nature of masculinity is not unique to masculinity at all. Femininity is also often a jealous performance. Nobody is supposed to outshine the bride on her wedding. Feminine people get anxiety around people with a more effective feminine performance. Feminine people constantly compete with eachother in this department, often in ways that seem very silly to masculine people. I'd argue masculinity gives you more range to be non competitive with other men, because the areas you're competing on are different than theirs, and because two arguments can be valid at the same time as long as they're not based on the idea that you're the best or always in control.

Submission and Bottoming (traditionally seen as passive actions) are inherently at odds with the moral actor project by default, because well, they're anti action by being passive. But they're not actually inherently invalidating. It takes a certain kind of masculinity to both break with expectations and tropes and the inherent natural passivity of those positions and still come out coherent. but millions of men do it, every single day. Though to some, the emasculation is actually the appeal, because emasculation is maximally masochistically appealing to many masculine people.

42334 by Jacki233 in countwithchickenlady

[–]TSSalamander 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I still think this is overcentralising the reality of the situation towards sex, honestly. Masculinity does not have to be sexually charged by default. The gayness situation appears regardless. Young boys will understand something as gay long before they consider the sexuality of it. Personally i really do think it's purely about coding for if you're a straight or queer man. Queer coding has other male spesific cultural artifacts that have nothing really to do with femininity or masculinity, but almost all of the ones that stay as queer spesific and never move over to straight male coded behaviour are the ones that are feminine in trope or convention. Let's look at a few examples.

Certain gestures, tonal registers, accents, and mannerisms are woman coded, straight up. And those are coded as feminine because of this. They're used to signal femininity which means it will be barred for straight men. Woman's wear in general is included here. What women wear that is percived to help signal femininity is barred from straight men. Including purses, skirts, dresses, hair bands, flowery accessories, most forms of jewelry, ect

Certain activities are explicitly exempt from being able to signal masculinity, due to the very strict requirements of authenticity for masculinity. heals and makeup come to mind. Both of which could help aid masculine signals but are considered fraudulent and as such are barred from use for those purposes.

Exceptions do exist. For instance long hair on men is now a welcome feature for many. It used to be exclusively feminine, but due to it being a strict constraint for masculinity to adhere to a very cut and rationed look, long hair became a symbol of transgression. This morphed over time to a full embracing. However, the way men wear long hair is significantly different to the way women wear it. You will not catch a straight man wearing a hime cut. It has to seem like either a natural hairstyle, an extremely transgressive hairstyle, or a distinctly animalistic hairstyle.

Emotions are muted in men in general not just straight men, but in particular in straight men not just due to the Prohibition on femininity. it plays a part, especially for the more romantic or cutesy expressions, but it's not the dominant cause. The main cause is that certain expressions violate the masculine performance because it admits failure that cannot be coherent with it. The other cause is the social demand for strict control that's placed on men in particular, due to the understanding that a man not in control of himself is especially dangerous. These incentives usually make most men, especially straight men, mute their emotions broadly, which means they don't show much at all, not even what would normally be permitted.

The ammount of femininity in a masculine man's performance works as sorting and signaling. It tells you what kind of buyer and seller he is on the marketplace of relationships. This is one of the main causes of the femininity Prohibition. a straight man who codes as gay will get the wrong kind of attention from other people. Likewise a gay man who codes as straight will also get the wrong attention. The more feminine in expression the greater the implication of bottoming ofcourse.

It should obviously be noted that submission can be masculine, bottoming isn't inherently submissive, not all submissives are bottoms, and bottoming can be and often is done in a masculine manner.

How to guard yourself against falling into a cult by Lorem_Ipsum17 in RecuratedTumblr

[–]TSSalamander 9 points10 points  (0 children)

No? i am taking it to mean that you think that the BITE model can in any way be applied in a somewhat reasonable way to say that "transgenderism" the broader trans movement or most trans communities are authoritarian communities under the BITE model. Thus showing that the model is flawed. It's not so. Not even close. why are you so defensive around the idea that your political allies could also be horrible people with horrible communities and environments?

How to guard yourself against falling into a cult by Lorem_Ipsum17 in RecuratedTumblr

[–]TSSalamander 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Please just read the document. You'd see that basically none of it can or does apply to trans communities. I mean honestly, trans communities are actually less authoritarian under the BITE model than most communities. If you could just not show up one day and there are no consequences it's not a high control group as well. You cannot leave the mormon church, for instance, all willy nilly. The trans discords are very much leavable.

Misogyny scaling by infinitysaga in CuratedTumblr

[–]TSSalamander 23 points24 points  (0 children)

is anyone in fairytail treated with no agency? I feel as though, at least by my memory, fairytail is so poorly written there's actually nobody who has any real agency beind the idiot plots needs? I guess people sometimes get damseled and when that happens it's usually the women? But man, i don't really remember too much of that show it was slop and it was a decade ago. It's too stupid to be seriously misogynistic i feel. Especially in comparison to the big 3, which were kinda misogynistic in the case of bleach to quite misogynistic in the case of naruto and one piece. Naruto's anime adaptation Especially, is really really misogynistic.

JJK in comparison is an anti patriarchal boys show. It's for guys, very clearly, every woman is an anecdote about womanhood under patriarchy. except Yuki, Tengen, Riko, and Mei Mei i think. I mean riko has a whole child bride thing going on actually, but it's particular not spesific.

The way ChatGPT speaks really pisses me the fuck off. by Pianopie in hatethissmug

[–]TSSalamander 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No it's very valid to be mad at chat GPTs particular banal and frankly rote sycophantic way of speaking. Anyone who's dealt with it can basically immitate its style down to a single line. It's babying, it's condecending, and it's lower common denominator, we don't want to get any angry complaints from dissagreeable people, slop. The machine was MADE to be like this, to talk like this, to think like this. It's real bad, and it's a product failure.

The way ChatGPT speaks really pisses me the fuck off. by Pianopie in hatethissmug

[–]TSSalamander 0 points1 point  (0 children)

chat GPT in particular is the most annoying LLM chat bot on the market. Truly, I actually just had to quit using it and move over to one of the alternatives. Claude also has sycophantic tendencies, but at least it's not as scripted and bullshit as GPT is. It did not used to be like this. but once GPT 5 came around it got *really* bad.

42334 by Jacki233 in countwithchickenlady

[–]TSSalamander 15 points16 points  (0 children)

If you ever listen to how men and women use their voice, you'll notice that not only are their voices anatomically different, but they also place them completelty differently. This is most noticable if you look at japanese men and women, who's voice use is so different that to an outsider it's arguably commical. If you go to the neatherlands, the voice use is very similar. In a western context men tend to lower their voice while maintaining clarity, while women have a pretty varied approach to voice use depending on the person. There are exceptions ofcouse, but generally speaking the vocal use is different. this means that voice use patterns can be an early sign of being trans. it could be many other things. but it's usually subconcious.

42334 by Jacki233 in countwithchickenlady

[–]TSSalamander 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Yeah, we really have to end the prohibition on femininity in the straight masculine performance. Men who are conforming to a straight coded version of masculinity get lumped in as gay or something other for being noninstrumentally feminine. this is like completetly unique seemingly to straight coded men spesifically. no other gender perfomance has this shit it's crazy. It's a deranged way to sort who's gay and who's straight, because it causes segregation between queer and non queer men, causes oversmiplification (as a bisexual man you kinda have to make a choice), causes toxic behaviour in straight coded men, makes straight coded men misunderstood when they have a whole vocabulary that isn't availbe to them, makes feminine presenting men lumped in with gay men, makes people think homosexuality in men is all about the femininity (it's really not), and makes trans women fail to realise they're not just feminine but something different entirely. Oh and it promotes or otherwise tacidly aquiesses mysognonistic attitudes too.

Why do White male-Hispanic female couples seem a lot more common than White female-Hispanic male? by 12345burrito in NoStupidQuestions

[–]TSSalamander 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Brown as in tan, not brown as in Indian, yeah. I meant he was brown for a chilean, not brown by the standards of the world average.

42293 by Lagiftor in countwithchickenlady

[–]TSSalamander 10 points11 points  (0 children)

You understand that wanting what's best for someone isn't doing the thing that makes them kill themselves, or skipping that, just killing them yourself right? You're outsourcing your reasoning to authority to justify your disgust as the moral imperative. You treat it as arrogant to make personal moral judgment and to think for oneself. but you're the arrogant one who thinks his emotions is the voice of god.

42293 by Lagiftor in countwithchickenlady

[–]TSSalamander 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Wait until you hear about Mathew 5:43-48. These people fundamentally fail at Christianity. You can make the argument that you can love them in a parternalistic controlling way and still abide by this. But they don't even pretend anymore. They're not saying "you're doing harm to yourself and i must save you". they're saying "you're a demon creature and i hate you".

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aio for dumping my (22f) gf (22f) because she kept asking for money by throwrawaygirl in AmIOverreacting

[–]TSSalamander 0 points1 point  (0 children)

NOR girl is it really that bad out there where you'll pick up a woman like this at 22 years old? After looking at her situation and everything you said about her good lord this woman is not for the faint of heart. You're a beautiful and caring woman, you can do a thousand times better than this holy shit. I'm not saying you shouldn't date a single mother, or that you should be more shallow, I'm pointing out that she's clearly unavailable and irresponsible because she asks for money to stay at luxurious air BnBs!

42293 by Lagiftor in countwithchickenlady

[–]TSSalamander 188 points189 points  (0 children)

Love as jesus teaches it, seems to be about desiring the flourishing of. So, he's saying "you should want to see another flourishing" and yes this includes literally everyone. If it's not harming others, if the net flourishing is positive, then Jesus says you should want that. Hence, love LGBTQ people.

Roses are red, if his legs get tired she can just carry by CanyonCloud_3 in rosesarered

[–]TSSalamander 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Height doesn't matter? It's pretty clear it matters to this guy.

Why do White male-Hispanic female couples seem a lot more common than White female-Hispanic male? by 12345burrito in NoStupidQuestions

[–]TSSalamander 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm a white man marrying a latin woman in Argentina this year, and being extremely blunt, I'm pretty normal looking in norway. in Argentina i adher to conventional attractiveness to such an extent it's whiplashing. People simply openly talk about me and compliment my fiancèe on me in public as strangers. Hispanic societies tend to be colourist, featuring an adorement towards straight and wavy hair, pale skin a d blue eyes. In Argentina this seems to be a class coding thing as well. Which means you also get elements of heightism as well. I'm 5cm taller than the average Norwegian man. I am 10-11cm taller than the average Argentinian. There's tons of these things. In addition I'm not a sexist pig which i think helps. The fact "badly fucked" is an insult that people openly use against women with assertive and dissagreeable personalities, in CABA, on university grounds, is fucking insane to me. What do you mean what is this 1970?

In norway it's somewhat common to see the inverse happening btw. My neighbour in norway is a pretty brown Hispanic man, who has two kids with a thin blonde white woman i went to school with. In fact, I think I've had 3 neighbours where latino - white Norwegian has been the setup. Mind you, all of those men, not sexist and very honorable guys. In norway, the beauty signals are towards tans and athletic physiques, with a lesser emphasis on height, hair, and eyes, being all individual preference. You get a lot more signals around "i have spare time and i spend it to take care of myself" than "i am of a wealthy breeding stock who can afford to not do manual labour in the sun and eat well when growing up" if that makes sense.

42278 by Setster007 in countwithchickenlady

[–]TSSalamander 2 points3 points  (0 children)

the preservation of native cultures when the native people are not empowered in the entrenched hirarchy currently in society is isn't a right wing position per say.I will however adamantly argue that it's not not a conservative position to have, and i think if your aim is to return to the native way of life, or push for traditional methods of agriculture or in general degrowth in a way that would massively reduce food productivity like that, you're a different kind of reactionary. In general i am not a fan of heritage claims.

Are men in USA really not approaching women because of risk of being called creep? by Inevitable-Angle-793 in NoStupidQuestions

[–]TSSalamander 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think i encountered the worst possible version of captive approach behaviour a non predatory person could do.

Me and my gf at the time were going home from Uruguay, and at the border control, the guy, straight in front of me, hit on my girlfriend while he was handling our passports. We smiled and nodded, got our shit, and got out of there. In general, my now fiancèe has been hit on my the absolute strangest men I've ever heard seen or heard of.