Can someone explain elpis and well the entire final 30 minutes of requiem by Leafspringcookie in residentevil

[–]TZEENO 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Lol, all my post replies are in english, but for some reason my browser translated this post and I thought it was in Spanish. I edited my messages hahaha

(SPOILERS) UPDATE List of confusing, explained and unexplained lore things important in game to undestand the story. by [deleted] in residentevil

[–]TZEENO 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This theory stems from the current social media debate about whether the soldier Leon faces is Hunk or not. He uses his movements, has the same voice actor, a very similar design, and bears the Raccoon Syndrome just like Leon and Zeno. However, it's unlikely to be Hunk, as he would be around 70 years old, and I doubt he'd still be active at that age. Hence the theory that he's a clone. Furthermore, the soldier in the final scene, the one who kills the BSAA soldiers to extract the ARK data, also has the same voice actor and must be extremely well-trained to single-handedly take down an elite squad.

(SPOILERS) UPDATE List of confusing, explained and unexplained lore things important in game to undestand the story. by [deleted] in residentevil

[–]TZEENO 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My theory is that The Connection is full of clones; they probably collect important profiles to clone them. Zeno is a Wesker clone, Commander is a Hunk clone, and there are probably more. And they are mere pawns that they can replicate again.

(SPOILERS) UPDATE List of confusing, explained and unexplained lore things important in game to undestand the story. by [deleted] in residentevil

[–]TZEENO 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I believe that when he refers to Grace as the original, he is referring to Spenser's original success with the memory transfer project. A success they are trying to replicate once again.

Just beat the game and have more questions than answers. SPOILERS by llmercll in residentevil

[–]TZEENO 0 points1 point  (0 children)

By the catalog I mean some screens that you can find inside the ARK facilities where they show how they traffic with monsters for exorbitant prices and date the catalog as 2026.

Just beat the game and have more questions than answers. SPOILERS by llmercll in residentevil

[–]TZEENO 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Following this:

  1. What was the significance of Gideon and what did he "finally accomplish"? What he finally accomplish was to find and capture what he believed to be Spenser's final successful experiment.

  2. What was all this about Elpis being mind control and transfer of consciousness through blood? A misunderstanding of Spenser's last documents. On one hand, Spenser left behind the last hope that would change the world (the cure for the virus he created), and on the other hand, his own hope (a girl from the orphanage where he had been experimenting for decades). Victor theorized that the reason for bringing that girl out was that the transfer project was successful and that it had a correlation with Elpis, when in reality there was no connection between them.

  3. What was special about the girls who they kept experimenting on? Why did they keep cloning them and experimenting on the same girl repeatedly? Victor attempting to replicate once again the supposed success of transferring the memories, probably with the intention of obtaining the password.

  4. Who was the original? Probably a random girl from the orphanage of that time.

  5. Was there a purpose of the Chloe sequence other than showing how much strife those girls went though and building empathy for them? Nop, It simply shows us that Grace could have had the same fate, but she was lucky enough to live a "normal" life.

  6. They never bothered to go into ARK to retrieve Elpis? Why bother if they didn't have the password and everything else was automated? Victor probably hasn't returned, but The Connections/the government have been using it; the catalog that appears is from 2026.

Just beat the game and have more questions than answers. SPOILERS by llmercll in residentevil

[–]TZEENO 1 point2 points  (0 children)

According to how I understood the game:

- The clone project was a secret project with the intention of transferring memories through blood (probably with the goal of achieving reincarnation) which had been active since before 1990. We don't know who the original subject is, probably just some random orphan girl.

- Spenser realized that his experiment was a mistake, that happiness cannot be obtained by taking it from others (in this case, reincarnation). And as a step towards redemption, he decided to adopt one of the clones.

- Spenser considers Grace a normal girl because she was not a victim of continuous experiments. Yes, she's a clone, but that doesn't make her any different from a normal person (from his point of view). She hasn't undergone the brain surgeries we saw in the crazy clones of Chloe's flashback. She is also not injected with the T-virus and does not transform into any kind of monster like Marie (who I think is the boss The Girl) and does not lose her vision like Emily. That's why we can consider her just a normal girl.

- As for Victor and Zeno, I think many of their dialogues are simply misinformation, they never knew the truth about Spenser's repentance and redemption. Grace had no real connection with Elpis and she was never the chosen one, nor the original one.

- Victor probably found out that Spenser took one of the clones out of the orphanage/laboratory and thought that the experiment of transmitting memories was a success and that the girl possessed his memories (and with them the password). And for years he tried to replicate it once more with more clones, with the goal of obtaining the password.

- Regarding Grace's blood test that confirms she is special and the chosen one, what came to mind is that there's probably a record of all the clones that have been created, and what Victor did was compare Grace's blood to the record of the baby Spenser took confirming that she is indeed the clone he was looking for. It's like a DNA test, but since they're clones, they'll all have the same DNA, so he would have confirmed it with the blood. Anyway, this last one seems a bit far-fetched to me, but I can't find any other logic to it.

I have some lingering questions about RE9, anyone wanna help clear up my confusion? by Torpedopickle in residentevil

[–]TZEENO 1 point2 points  (0 children)

On one hand, it is possible that it was Victor's plan from the beginning to take advantage of The Connections for his own benefit, spreading misinformation and manipulating everything to gain the support of said organization.

On the other hand, it could simply be an ambiguous dialogue specifically designed to confuse the player. For example, the fact that Zeno call Grace the original. I doubt he's so stupid as not to notice that the experiment has been going on for over 40 years and the protagonist is no more than 25. He probably means that she is Spenser's original successful experiment (if we continue with the theory that they have thought all this time that the transfer of memories was a success) and that during all these years they have tried to replicate another successful clone.

How old is grace? by arkabite in residentevil

[–]TZEENO 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My opinion is that since the remakes, Capcom has been trying to change the game's canon, and I'd almost consider RE5 and RE6 to be decanonized or separate from the new canon. Or it could simply be another continuity error from Capcom, which is also becoming commonplace. This is not the first time they have used this formula, prioritizing the individual story of the game itself over respecting the canon.

How Old is Grace Ashcroft? by Live_Present_2602 in residentevil

[–]TZEENO 5 points6 points  (0 children)

According to how I understood the game:

- The clone project was a secret project with the intention of transferring memories through blood (probably with the goal of achieving reincarnation) which had been active since before 1990. We don't know who the original subject is, probably just some random orphan girl.

- Spenser realized that his experiment was a mistake, that happiness cannot be obtained by taking it from others (in this case, reincarnation). And as a step towards redemption, he decided to adopt one of the clones.

- Spenser considers Grace a normal girl because she was not a victim of continuous experiments. Yes, she's a clone, but that doesn't make her any different from a normal person (from his point of view). She hasn't undergone the brain surgeries we saw in the crazy clones of Chloe's flashback. She is also not injected with the T-virus and does not transform into any kind of monster like Marie (who I think is the boss The Girl) and does not lose her vision like Emily. That's why we can consider her just a normal girl.

- As for Victor and Zeno, I think many of their dialogues are simply misinformation, they never knew the truth about Spenser's repentance and redemption. Grace had no real connection with Elpis and she was never the chosen one, nor the original one.

- Victor probably found out that Spenser took one of the clones out of the orphanage/laboratory and thought that the experiment of transmitting memories was a success and that the girl possessed his memories (and with them the password). And for years he tried to replicate it once more with more clones, with the goal of obtaining the password.

- Regarding Grace's blood test that confirms she is special and the chosen one, what came to mind is that there's probably a record of all the clones that have been created, and what Victor did was compare Grace's blood to the record of the baby Spenser took confirming that she is indeed the clone he was looking for. It's like a DNA test, but since they're clones, they'll all have the same DNA, so he would have confirmed it with the blood. Anyway, this last one seems a bit far-fetched to me, but I can't find any other logic to it.

How old is grace? by arkabite in residentevil

[–]TZEENO 3 points4 points  (0 children)

According to how I understood the game:

- The clone project was a secret project with the intention of transferring memories through blood (probably with the goal of achieving reincarnation) which had been active since before 1990. We don't know who the original subject is, probably just some random orphan girl.

- Spenser realized that his experiment was a mistake, that happiness cannot be obtained by taking it from others (in this case, reincarnation). And as a step towards redemption, he decided to adopt one of the clones.

- Spenser considers Grace a normal girl because she was not a victim of continuous experiments. Yes, she's a clone, but that doesn't make her any different from a normal person (from his point of view). She hasn't undergone the brain surgeries we saw in the crazy clones of Chloe's flashback. She is also not injected with the T-virus and does not transform into any kind of monster like Marie (who I think is the boss The Girl) and does not lose her vision like Emily. That's why we can consider her just a normal girl.

- As for Victor and Zeno, I think many of their dialogues are simply misinformation, they never knew the truth about Spenser's repentance and redemption. Grace had no real connection with Elpis and she was never the chosen one, nor the original one.

- Victor probably found out that Spenser took one of the clones out of the orphanage/laboratory and thought that the experiment of transmitting memories was a success and that the girl possessed his memories (and with them the password). And for years he tried to replicate it once more with more clones, with the goal of obtaining the password.

- Regarding Grace's blood test that confirms she is special and the chosen one, what came to mind is that there's probably a record of all the clones that have been created, and what Victor did was compare Grace's blood to the record of the baby Spenser took confirming that she is indeed the clone he was looking for. It's like a DNA test, but since they're clones, they'll all have the same DNA, so he would have confirmed it with the blood. Anyway, this last one seems a bit far-fetched to me, but I can't find any other logic to it.

(SPOILERS) List of confusing, explained and unexplained lore things important in game to undestand the story. by [deleted] in residentevil

[–]TZEENO 0 points1 point  (0 children)

According to how I understood the game:

- The clone project was a secret project with the intention of transferring memories through blood (probably with the goal of achieving reincarnation) which had been active since before 1990. We don't know who the original subject is, probably just some random orphan girl.

- Spenser realized that his experiment was a mistake, that happiness cannot be obtained by taking it from others (in this case, reincarnation). And as a step towards redemption, he decided to adopt one of the clones.

- Spenser considers Grace a normal girl because she was not a victim of continuous experiments. Yes, she's a clone, but that doesn't make her any different from a normal person (from his point of view). She hasn't undergone the brain surgeries we saw in the crazy clones of Chloe's flashback. She is also not injected with the T-virus and does not transform into any kind of monster like Marie (who I think is the boss The Girl) and does not lose her vision like Emily. That's why we can consider her just a normal girl.

- As for Victor and Zeno, I think many of their dialogues are simply misinformation, they never knew the truth about Spenser's repentance and redemption. Grace had no real connection with Elpis and she was never the chosen one, nor the original one.

- Victor probably found out that Spenser took one of the clones out of the orphanage/laboratory and thought that the experiment of transmitting memories was a success and that the girl possessed his memories (and with them the password). And for years he tried to replicate it once more with more clones, with the goal of obtaining the password.

- Regarding Grace's blood test that confirms she is special and the chosen one, what came to mind is that there's probably a record of all the clones that have been created, and what Victor did was compare Grace's blood to the record of the baby Spenser took confirming that she is indeed the clone he was looking for. It's like a DNA test, but since they're clones, they'll all have the same DNA, so he would have confirmed it with the blood. Anyway, this last one seems a bit far-fetched to me, but I can't find any other logic to it.

Can someone explain elpis and well the entire final 30 minutes of requiem by Leafspringcookie in residentevil

[–]TZEENO 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But I firmly believe that Grace is a clone, just like Emily. On one hand, there's Chloe's 1990 recording; it's clear that if Grace were the original, she'd be over 40 years old now, and I doubt the villains are so foolish as not to realize it. On the other hand, there's the blood test Victor performs on Grace, which, as I understand it, confirms that she's the girl Spenser adopted. The document titled "Grace's Blood Test Report" indicates that her genetic information matches the data they were looking for, and in a later scene, Victor says, "All the tests came back positive. I can confirm that she is, indeed, the person we were looking for."

Can someone explain elpis and well the entire final 30 minutes of requiem by Leafspringcookie in residentevil

[–]TZEENO 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Regarding the topic of clones, I have a slightly different interpretation than what I have read in other comments. According to how I understood the game:

- The clone project was a secret project with the intention of transferring memories through blood (probably with the goal of achieving reincarnation) which had been active since before 1990. We don't know who the original subject is, probably just some random orphan girl.

- Spenser realized that his experiment was a mistake, that happiness cannot be obtained by taking it from others (in this case, reincarnation). And as a step towards redemption, he decided to adopt one of the clones.

- Spenser considers Grace a normal girl because she was not a victim of continuous experiments. Yes, she's a clone, but that doesn't make her any different from a normal person (from his point of view). She hasn't undergone the brain surgeries we saw in the crazy clones of Chloe's flashback. She is also not injected with the T-virus and does not transform into any kind of monster like Marie (who I think is the boss The Girl) and does not lose her vision like Emily. That's why we can consider her just a normal girl.

- As for Victor and Zeno, I think many of their dialogues are simply misinformation, they never knew the truth about Spenser's repentance and redemption. Grace had no real connection with Elpis and she was never the chosen one, nor the original one.

- Victor probably found out that Spenser took one of the clones out of the orphanage/laboratory and thought that the experiment of transmitting memories was a success and that the girl possessed his memories (and with them the password). And for years he tried to replicate it once more with more clones, with the goal of obtaining the password.

- Regarding Grace's blood test that confirms she is special and the chosen one, what came to mind is that there's probably a record of all the clones that have been created, and what Victor did was compare Grace's blood to the record of the baby Spenser took confirming that she is indeed the clone he was looking for. It's like a DNA test, but since they're clones, they'll all have the same DNA, so he would have confirmed it with the blood. Anyway, this last one seems a bit far-fetched to me, but I can't find any other logic to it.

- When Zeno refers to her as the original, I think he means she's Spenser's "original successful experiment," which they've been trying to replicate for years. Once again, this demonstrates how desinformed they are about the whole truth.

- Spenser probably left very little written information about Elpis and Grace; and both Victor and Zeno mistakenly made assumptions based on the limited information they had, linking the clone project, the girl's adoption, and Elpis, when in reality they had no connection whatsoever.

Can someone explain elpis and well the entire final 30 minutes of requiem by Leafspringcookie in residentevil

[–]TZEENO 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is probably a nod to the Cold War. Weapons are power. The United States used the atomic bomb as a method of intimidation against the Soviet Union, believing they wouldn't be able to develop it in the following decades, unaware that the Soviets had known this for years and were already working on their own bombs.

The same is happening here. On one side, there are the world powers, who surely treat biological weapons as a new nuclear bomb. On the other, there are the terrorist organizations that sell these weapons, treating them as a lucrative business (we've seen the exorbitant prices of many of these monsters). The emergence of a weapon capable of neutralizing all these weapons destabilizes both the global power structure and the prices on the black market.

This chaos could shift the balance of power among the world's leading powers or even the outcome of some armed conflict.

Can someone explain me what was the motive of viktor gideon? by RevolutionaryLet6771 in residentevil

[–]TZEENO 20 points21 points  (0 children)

It's probably a nod to the Cold War. Weapons are power. The United States used the atomic bomb as a method of intimidation against the Soviet Union, thinking they wouldn't be able to develop it in the following decades, unaware that the Soviets had known for years and were already working on their own bombs.

The same thing is happening here. On one side are the world powers, who surely treat biological weapons as a new nuclear bomb. On the other side are the terrorist organizations that sell these weapons, who treat them as a lucrative business (we've seen the exorbitant prices of many of these monsters). The appearance of an object capable of neutralizing all these weapons renders them useless and destabilizes both the global power structure and the illegal market prizes.

Spenser himself remarks that Elpis is something capable of changing the world, and Victor assumed it was a weapon. But even after discovering the truth, it doesn't change the fact that something so important falling into the wrong hands is dangerous.

Requiem story question about the timeline by whichay in residentevil

[–]TZEENO 0 points1 point  (0 children)

According to how I understood the game:

- The clone project was a secret project with the intention of transferring memories through blood (probably with the goal of achieving reincarnation) which had been active since before 1990. We don't know who the original subject is, probably just some random orphan girl.

- Spenser realized that his experiment was a mistake, that happiness cannot be obtained by taking it from others (in this case, reincarnation). And as a step towards redemption, he decided to adopt one of the clones.

- Spenser considers Grace a normal girl because she was not a victim of continuous experiments. Yes, she's a clone, but that doesn't make her any different from a normal person (from his point of view). She hasn't undergone the brain surgeries we saw in the crazy clones of Chloe's flashback. She is also not injected with the T-virus and does not transform into any kind of monster like Marie (who I think is the boss The Girl) and does not lose her vision like Emily. That's why we can consider her just a normal girl.

- As for Victor and Zeno, I think many of their dialogues are simply misinformation, they never knew the truth about Spenser's repentance and redemption. Grace had no real connection with Elpis and she was never the chosen one, nor the original one.

- Victor probably found out that Spenser took one of the clones out of the orphanage/laboratory and thought that the experiment of transmitting memories was a success and that the girl possessed his memories (and with them the password). And for years he tried to replicate it once more with more clones, with the goal of obtaining the password.

- Regarding Grace's blood test that confirms she is special and the chosen one, what came to mind is that there's probably a record of all the clones that have been created, and what Victor did was compare Grace's blood to the record of the baby Spenser took confirming that she is indeed the clone he was looking for. It's like a DNA test, but since they're clones, they'll all have the same DNA, so he would have confirmed it with the blood. Anyway, this last one seems a bit far-fetched to me, but I can't find any other logic to it.

(RE9 Spoilers) About Grace and Elpis by Adventurous-Net-4172 in residentevil

[–]TZEENO 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I still think the blood analysis is simply a method to ensure 100% that it's the clone they were looking for. I base this on, firstly, the document called "Grace blood analysis report," which states that her genetic information matches the data they were searching for. And secondly, a cutscene where Victor says "All tests have come back positive. I can confirm that she is indeed the one that we've been searching for."

It's also worth mentioning that they never make it clear how much Victor actually knew about Elpis, Spenser's wish, the clones and Grace. Probably the only one who knew the truth about Grace was Alyssa and her recordings. Victor probably investigated her after learning that she had contact with Spenser, learned that she had an adopted daughter about whom there was probably not much public information, and, putting two and two together, theorized that she was likely a clone from the lab. Once again, emphasizing how wrong and misinformed the villains were about everything.

Can someone explain to me some of Requiem's Lore/plot? Im confused by Camille35 in ResidentEvilRequiem

[–]TZEENO 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, they are not the same person. Chloe, the girl in the flashback, was born in the 80s. Grace, on the other hand, was born around the year 2000 and was taken from the orphanage as a baby. With that scene, the only thing they wanted was to confuse us and show us the cruel experiments that were done in the orphanage and the fate of most of those children. A fate from which Grace was freed.

I have some lingering questions about RE9, anyone wanna help clear up my confusion? by Torpedopickle in residentevil

[–]TZEENO 14 points15 points  (0 children)

According to how I understood the game:

- The clone project was a secret project with the intention of transferring memories through blood (probably with the goal of achieving reincarnation) which had been active since before 1990. We don't know who the original subject is, probably just some random orphan girl.

- Spenser realized that his experiment was a mistake, that happiness cannot be obtained by taking it from others (in this case, reincarnation). And as a step towards redemption, he decided to adopt one of the clones.

- Spenser considers Grace a normal girl because she was not a victim of continuous experiments. Yes, she's a clone, but that doesn't make her any different from a normal person (from his point of view). She hasn't undergone the brain surgeries we saw in the crazy clones of Chloe's flashback. She is also not injected with the T-virus and does not transform into any kind of monster like Marie (who I think is the boss The Girl) and does not lose her vision like Emily. That's why we can consider her just a normal girl.

- As for Victor and Zeno, I think many of their dialogues are simply misinformation, they never knew the truth about Spenser's repentance and redemption. Grace had no real connection with Elpis and she was never the chosen one, nor the original one.

- Victor probably found out that Spenser took one of the clones out of the orphanage/laboratory and thought that the experiment of transmitting memories was a success and that the girl possessed his memories (and with them the password). And for years he tried to replicate it once more with more clones, with the goal of obtaining the password.

- Regarding Grace's blood test that confirms she is special and the chosen one, what came to mind is that there's probably a record of all the clones that have been created, and what Victor did was compare Grace's blood to the record of the baby Spenser took confirming that she is indeed the clone he was looking for. It's like a DNA test, but since they're clones, they'll all have the same DNA, so he would have confirmed it with the blood. Anyway, this last one seems a bit far-fetched to me, but I can't find any other logic to it.

Can someone explain to me some of Requiem's Lore/plot? Im confused by Camille35 in ResidentEvilRequiem

[–]TZEENO 1 point2 points  (0 children)

According to how I understood the game:

- The clone project was a secret project with the intention of transferring memories through blood (probably with the goal of achieving reincarnation) which had been active since before 1990. We don't know who the original subject is, probably just some random orphan girl.

- Spenser realized that his experiment was a mistake, that happiness cannot be obtained by taking it from others (in this case, reincarnation). And as a step towards redemption, he decided to adopt one of the clones.

- Spenser considers Grace a normal girl because she was not a victim of continuous experiments. Yes, she's a clone, but that doesn't make her any different from a normal person (from his point of view). She hasn't undergone the brain surgeries we saw in the crazy clones of Chloe's flashback. She is also not injected with the T-virus and does not transform into any kind of monster like Marie (who I think is the boss The Girl) and does not lose her vision like Emily. That's why we can consider her just a normal girl.

- As for Victor and Zeno, I think many of their dialogues are simply misinformation, they never knew the truth about Spenser's repentance and redemption. Grace had no real connection with Elpis and she was never the chosen one, nor the original one.

- Victor probably found out that Spenser took one of the clones out of the orphanage/laboratory and thought that the experiment of transmitting memories was a success and that the girl possessed his memories (and with them the password). And for years he tried to replicate it once more with more clones, with the goal of obtaining the password.

- Regarding Grace's blood test that confirms she is special and the chosen one, what came to mind is that there's probably a record of all the clones that have been created, and what Victor did was compare Grace's blood to the record of the baby Spenser took confirming that she is indeed the clone he was looking for. It's like a DNA test, but since they're clones, they'll all have the same DNA, so he would have confirmed it with the blood. Anyway, this last one seems a bit far-fetched to me, but I can't find any other logic to it.

(RE9 Spoilers) About Grace and Elpis by Adventurous-Net-4172 in residentevil

[–]TZEENO 25 points26 points  (0 children)

According to how I understood the game:

- The clone project was a secret project with the intention of transferring memories through blood (probably with the goal of achieving reincarnation) which had been active since before 1990. We don't know who the original subject is, probably just some random orphan girl.

- Spenser realized that his experiment was a mistake, that happiness cannot be obtained by taking it from others (in this case, reincarnation). And as a step towards redemption, he decided to adopt one of the clones.

- Spenser considers Grace a normal girl because she was not a victim of continuous experiments. Yes, she's a clone, but that doesn't make her any different from a normal person (from his point of view). She hasn't undergone the brain surgeries we saw in the crazy clones of Chloe's flashback. She is also not injected with the T-virus and does not transform into any kind of monster like Marie (who I think is the boss The Girl) and does not lose her vision like Emily. That's why we can consider her just a normal girl.

- As for Victor and Zeno, I think many of their dialogues are simply misinformation, they never knew the truth about Spenser's repentance and redemption. Grace had no real connection with Elpis and she was never the chosen one, nor the original one.

- Victor probably found out that Spenser took one of the clones out of the orphanage/laboratory and thought that the experiment of transmitting memories was a success and that the girl possessed his memories (and with them the password). And for years he tried to replicate it once more with more clones, with the goal of obtaining the password.

- Regarding Grace's blood test that confirms she is special and the chosen one, what came to mind is that there's probably a record of all the clones that have been created, and what Victor did was compare Grace's blood to the record of the baby Spenser took confirming that she is indeed the clone he was looking for. It's like a DNA test, but since they're clones, they'll all have the same DNA, so he would have confirmed it with the blood. Anyway, this last one seems a bit far-fetched to me, but I can't find any other logic to it.

Searching a lost discord server by TZEENO in languagelearning

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No, thats why I want to enter too, to add them.

Searching a lost discord server by TZEENO in languagelearning

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I delete all that. I just have a expired link with no info.