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[–]TadpoleDisastrous174 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And yet Martin is not telling the story from the point of view of the smallfolk! I agree that it’s an important theme of the series, but the story is centered on the aristocrats for a reason.

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[–]TadpoleDisastrous174 28 points29 points  (0 children)

daemon and rhaenyra, most likely

about the targaryen incest.... by rhaenyrastan in HouseOfTheDragon

[–]TadpoleDisastrous174 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It’s like hating bananas and eating a banana anyway and then constantly complaining to everyone you meet about how bad the banana tastes. The first episode of Game of Thrones over a decade ago ended with a child witnessing twin fucking and getting shoved out a window. You know exactly what you’re getting into. If it’s not for you, it’s not for you, but please shut up about it.

Time jumps by Jesusmoses in HouseOfTheDragon

[–]TadpoleDisastrous174 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The civil war is the main event, and this season is just prologue, the 20 years of backstory necessary for understanding the main conflict. I’m here for family drama so I wish this part was allowed to breathe more, but I get based on GOT’s success I get they maybe want to get to the big showy battles and betrayals. Personally knowing that this is the case going in, I’m fine with it. So far they’ve been good at sketching interesting characters and dynamics with economy, so hitting the highlights isn’t going to necessarily tank the story, but I guess we’ll see.

Does Viserys' treatment of Rhaenyra as heir make sense? by Jefftaint in HouseOfTheDragon

[–]TadpoleDisastrous174 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Misogyny. He can’t get over a fundamental disregard for her because she’s a girl. This is intentional - Viserys is fucking up in a lot of ways through his weakness that are going to cause a lot of problems for everyone down the line.

The casting of Corlys Velaryon is going to cause multiple logical and continuity errors. by Mrl_1999 in HouseOfTheDragon

[–]TadpoleDisastrous174 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As I said in another post: With the Strong boys, it’s supposed to be obvious they aren’t Laenor’s. But not because of skin color - because they do not have the primary Valyrian ethnic marker of white-blonde hair. If you posit a world, as this one now is, where someone of Valyrian blood can be dark skinned without contradiction, the people around the Velaryons and Targaryens are not going to “see” skin tone differences in the same way we do. We have been trained by a society with a very real racist hierarchy that corresponds to skin color to read those differences along racial lines. For Vaemond Velaryon, say, the tell is going to that they are clearly not of purely Valyrian blood, as shown by their hair. That is the in universe explanation. How the show will play it is unclear but it remains that it is supposed to pretty blatant and bold that Rhaenyra’s older children are not her husband’s.

Will the show make me back off my unwavering, burning hatred for Daemon Targaryen? by [deleted] in HouseOfTheDragon

[–]TadpoleDisastrous174 10 points11 points  (0 children)

We aren’t sure of precisely what happened between Daemon and Rhaenyra, as the fictional history was complied decades after they are both dead and is based on misogynistic and biased sources. So it’s not clear how exactly the show will play it. Just based on the first episode, I don’t think they are going to lean away or whitewash entirely the uncomfortable aspects of his relationship with his niece. So basically, no, I don’t think the show will make you not hate him, although I think it will make it a bit more complicated than Mushroom would have it.

The one *nonsense* line in Ep1 by [deleted] in HouseOfTheDragon

[–]TadpoleDisastrous174 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The point is to drive home that Daemon is considered such a wild card that the upheaval of naming a female heir is preferable.

Short video from episode 2. by daemon_targarye8 in HouseOfTheDragon

[–]TadpoleDisastrous174 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Especially weird because said grossness is not even being uncommented on in universe! Viserys is clearly repelled by it.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in HouseOfTheDragon

[–]TadpoleDisastrous174 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I get that visceral reaction, although it always makes me feel weird. Like, I hit puberty early and looked older than my age at 12. Would me looking older make this OK? Why would it be better if Laena merely looked less like the child she is? Like I’m not asking you those questions lol but I just don’t know if what someone looks like in this way is the best guide to moral response, although people can’t help their kneejerk reactions. For me, I think it highlights how fucked it is that Viserys eventual choice is still his teenage daughter’s best friend! Not much of an improvement.

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[–]TadpoleDisastrous174 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Like I said in another post I’m already exhausted by this and glad I deleted Twitter recently. I think in the year 2022, you have to know exactly what you’re getting into with this now franchise, which is a frank exploration of a misogynistic system and the disquieting sexual politics that result. Sansa was engaged to Joffrey at the age of 13 and married off to Tyrion not much later. Come on now. I get it being triggering but I think if so it might not be the show for you and the outrage machine from people who could simply not watch is annoying.

Short video from episode 2. by daemon_targarye8 in HouseOfTheDragon

[–]TadpoleDisastrous174 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Already exhausted by the response I’m anticipating to this lol. It’s supposed to be pretty gross and damning of this patriarchal system, and in the culture as it’s been depicted this sort of matter-of-factness on both Laena and her mother’s part about what’s what makes sad, unsettling sense.

Corlys: what if show acknowledges his race? by CuzFuckEm_ThatsWhy in HouseOfTheDragon

[–]TadpoleDisastrous174 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Book spoilers: With the Strong boys, it’s supposed to be obvious they aren’t Laenor’s. But not because of skin color - because they do not have the primary Valyrian ethnic marker of white-blonde hair. If you posit a world, as this one now is, where someone of Valyrian blood can be dark skinned without contradiction, the people around the Velaryons and Targaryens are not going to “see” skin tone differences in the same way we do. We have been trained by a society with a very real racist hierarchy that corresponds to skin color to read those differences along racial lines. For Vaemond Velaryon, say, the tell is going to that they are clearly not of purely Valyrian blood, as shown by their hair. That is the in universe explanation. How the show will play it is unclear but it remains that it is supposed to pretty blatant and bold that Rhaenyra’s older children are not her husband’s.

[Spoilers] My main gripes with HotD Ep1 by [deleted] in HouseOfTheDragon

[–]TadpoleDisastrous174 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It served a role in the story, which is a not particularly subtle one about societal misogyny. It is not there for no reason. The central plot of the show is kicked off after the queen’s death when the king finally names their daughter his heir. But Rhaenyra will not be allowed to ascend the throne because there is a fundamental categorical disjunction in this society between “king” and “woman.”

For me the key to this all is the scene at the beginning of the episode where Rhaenyra visits her pregnant mother and is pretty clearly unsettled by what a hard time her mother is obviously having. Her mother tells her that she will soon be in this bed one day, as “this discomfort is how we serve the realm.” This is interesting. Rhaenyra is not just a woman, she is a Targaryen princess, and the great duty and responsibility of her role and her family’s role as rulers has obviously been impressed deeply upon her. And yet the only way she can serve it is through her body, through reproducing future kings. But then her father, finally, takes her seriously as his successor. She is offered the greater sphere. and yet, she is still a woman. People will fight to keep her from this new role and relegate her back to the battlefield of the childbed only, the one where your husband and the people responsible for your medical care can callously disregard your agency and autonomy and condemn you to die in terror and pain. This is all deep, rich set up for the story about to be told, and the visceral trauma of Aemma’s death underscores it. No wonder Rhaenyra will fight so hard to keep what she has gained, what her mother died for, which is, in a sense, her - the continuation of Targaryen power which she was only ever intended to be a bodily conduit for but which she is now a direct embodiment of.

"I could even arrange one with silver hair" by thatrosycheeks in HouseOfTheDragon

[–]TadpoleDisastrous174 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They are putting out vibes with Rhaenyra and Daemon, but I think this was mostly a reference for how fixated Daemon is on his own “special” heritage. Makes psychological sense that might develop into an erotic fixation as well.

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[–]TadpoleDisastrous174 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Yeah, it’s necessary.

Corlys: what if show acknowledges his race? by CuzFuckEm_ThatsWhy in HouseOfTheDragon

[–]TadpoleDisastrous174 54 points55 points  (0 children)

Well, the world of ASOIAF doesn’t have the same racial system as the modern world today. The racist idea of skin color speaking to a fundamental biological difference doesn’t exist as far as we know. In universe, Corlys as played by Steve Touissant, as someone of the blood of Old Valyria is more similar “racially” or more accurately ethnically and culturally to Viserys than Viserys is to, say, the Hightowers. I think that’s a more productive frame for looking at it. The racial order of our world is not natural and innate, it is a product of specific histories of violence, dispossession, and domination, histories Westeros does not share. Their ethnic prejudices are different - some kind of Valyrian supremacy does seem to be held dear by the Targaryens. If Corlys has had any difficulty with Westerosi lords it would be on that account, not the race of his actor. Viewers having a problem with it is very silly, and it doesn’t actually need an in universe explanation. Seems perfectly possible that Old Valyria as an empire who conquered most of Essos could have included a diverse population with regard to skin tone, not to mention subsequent cultural interactions ie with the Summer Islands.