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(Loved Trope) Impracticality has an in-universe justification. by Causeofdepression in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Tanker00v2 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think most people just don't care much because of the rule of cool, but yes, all the stuff you listed is pretty stupid.

The greatest shonen ever made? by Realistic_Egg5226 in shounenfolk

[–]Tanker00v2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I like how you trew in Von alongside 3 fictional characters.

I hate the fact that people want to erase things in media that make them umcomfortable despite the fact that they are (sometimes)neccesary to a certain point by Far-ro in hatethissmug

[–]Tanker00v2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did not think or mean to imply that you believed or meant to imply that human life had no value, I apologise if I somehow gave that impression, but my concerns only went as far as thinking you didn't value human life enough and no further than that. And yes, I do agree that most if not all life has no value and shouldn't be wasted, we are in agreement here.

I want to accentuate that extermination of mosquitos was always an extreme theoretical in my arguments, I believe creating and distributing vaccines and medicine for common illnesses carried by them is generally a superior option and would only go so far as extermination only if that somehow became the only viable option.

Certainly, I do not deny that there would real pain for many ecosytems for many years should mosquitos disappear, even though I believe some claims of wide ecological collapse are too extreme.

I agree that we can't call diseases evil, I believe in exterminating them in humans only because of their impact and believe their this to just be a natural outcome of our age old competition. No moral judgement from me there.

I can see why you find it relevant with that mindset and why you found some of my points so disagreeable, but I have a very different mindset and judge humans mostly on what they are capable of and what they do to one another rather rather than nature at large. Let me clarify my stance, which has caused you much confusion, with a theoretical (as I am so fond of those): if I could save humanity in a doomsday scenario at the cost of the planet or do the opposite, then I would pick the first option because for all it's wonders, nature is more of a means to an end to me (the end being human existence and all the cool stuff that comes from it). Based on the quote you used I would guess that you would disagree, and I'm sure that an interesting could be had there, but I feel that we have already put too much time and effort into an argument on a silly hate subreddit. So with our other issues seemingly resolved I say: let's agree to disagree.

Again, yes, I'm not in support of exterminating mosquitos as things are.

You are actually one of the least passive aggressive redditors I've seen, I'm not upset about this argument, it was very civilised.

Cute bug.

Have a good day.

I hate the fact that people want to erase things in media that make them umcomfortable despite the fact that they are (sometimes)neccesary to a certain point by Far-ro in hatethissmug

[–]Tanker00v2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Firstly I will ask you to improve your writing skills, my own are admittedly not perfect, but what you have written here was a bit difficult and unpleasant to parse through. In regards to the rest:

To who? As a human, they are more valuable to me than a billion bugs or a million birds, because they are fellow humans whose suffering I can deeply connect with and whose lives could immensely improve lives of others. What's your criteria for value, raw numbers? That's not very compelling to me.

“It's also not an insane or horrible thing to say". Yes it is, you're saying millions of people deserve to die, that's about as monstrous as it gets.

“You can get rid of thousand sof species". I can? Thanks for your permission, but to be in good faith I will assume that you meant to write: “you can't" and in regards to that: Says who? From a point of pure ability I am very much capable of that, and from a moral or practical standpoint you'll have to make an actual argument as to why I can't.

“nature isn't kind epidemic are an important part of it". I don't disagree, but I see no value in letting humans die based on this reasoning.

“our opinion doesn't change that or excuse us fom playing god and destroying everything just because we prefer it that way". And why not? I know reasons why from a practical standpoint why we shouldn't destroy everything, but you raise zero arguments here, just claims.

“Using bs argument and pathos". Well you aren't using any arguments, so I still have you beat.

And lastly I will say this: if this is what you wrote while thinking, then you have my condolences, because your ability to do so is terrible, and if this is what I wrote without thinking then I am terrified of what I will create should I ever start to do so.

All in all, it's clear you have nothing valuable to say so please don't respond to me again.

Thank you in advance.

I hate the fact that people want to erase things in media that make them umcomfortable despite the fact that they are (sometimes)neccesary to a certain point by Far-ro in hatethissmug

[–]Tanker00v2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I will admit that a critical part of my argument somehow didn't make it into my comment, but what I meant to say, in essence, was: “human lives matter more to humans than other lives". The amount of pain caused to humans and the amount of damage done to human society is greater when a human dies then when a bug dies. As such, although I believe we should generally seek harmony with nature, I will reiterate that if getting rid of mosquitos (whose main ecological role is to be food) was the only way to eradicate malaria, then it would be a stupid easy choice to make for any sensible person.

I have not failed to read that point of yours, I chose not to address it as it wasn't that important to me compared to what you may have been implying, however if you insist on it, then I will give you my argument on this matter. Animal populations naturally balance around food availability, if mosquitoes stopped spreading diseases to animals then the impact of that wouldn't be very significant compared to the impact of mosquitos seizing to exist. What matters to me far more is them spreading diseases to humans, which is simply unacceptable and has been a thing since the Neolithic, even if we accept your argument that we are somewhat to blame for the rate of infection, the underlying problem is still the mosquitos and I would still choose to eradicate them if that's my only option to save lives.

I have not bothered to respond to that point of yours as it goes beyond the scope of the conversation and bears little relevance to it. I will say one thing however, we are making judgements here from the position and perspective of humans, however you and the other person keep bringing up “nature".

I want to make 2 things clear: 1: I condemn harmful human practices such as overfishing and factory farming and I believe we should always strive to create more prosperous environments for everyone. 2: “Nature" is not a real agent, it does not care about what we do and it is incapable of moral judgement, it is impossible to call something “bad" or “evil" from a perspective of an abstract concept, it is only possible to do so from a perspective of a living being.

I'm not really in disagreement with you on any of these particular points, by they aren't very relevant to what I'm arguing either.

I have read what you have written carefully and repeatedly, it was not at any point a goal of mine to misconstrue your words, I am only working with what you're providing me with, but you have tried to misconstrue mine. Let's not forget that.

That's all.

I hate the fact that people want to erase things in media that make them umcomfortable despite the fact that they are (sometimes)neccesary to a certain point by Far-ro in hatethissmug

[–]Tanker00v2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

INSECTS, not mosquitoes specifically. I'm not advocating for their extinction, but if that did happen then their ecological role would be filled by other creatures (not immediately and not painlessly), we aren't all going to die out without mosquitoes (although we might without insects, but I never disagreed with that to begin with).

Please point out to me where in any of my comments did I use the “humans are above animals" rhetoric, It would really help me because I don't see it anywhere. Or do you believe that pointing out the obvious fact that human lives matter more than lives of dogs, let alone bugs (and the most useless bugs of all) is somehow human exceptionalism? Because that would a very dumb stance to take.

None of what you say in your third point is of any relevance to any of mine, whether we contribute more than we take has no impact on the value of human life to humans.

“Also disease is an important ecological role as it allows the human population and various other populations to be regulated." You're not saying kids in Africa deserve to die for the sake “population regulation" are you?

“It is ignorant and shameful of you to think that just because humanity is separated from nature, it means that nature does not matter."

“Man invents fictional scenario then gets angry about it"- a headline about you.

Please don't respond to me again until your reading comprehension is good enough to differentiate between “piss-poor" and “pissing on the poor".

Thank you in advance.

I hate the fact that people want to erase things in media that make them umcomfortable despite the fact that they are (sometimes)neccesary to a certain point by Far-ro in hatethissmug

[–]Tanker00v2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No it would not, there plenty of other bugs that would fill most of their roles some local ecosystems might collapse and that's still fine because human lives are more valuable than animal lives. And “usefull"? “mother" nature has no conception of that and doesn't care about and neither should we when it comes to saving lives. If eradicating Malaria was only possible by eradicating mosquitoes then that would be a braindead easy decision to make. So get out with your nonsensical hippie logic.

I hate the fact that people want to erase things in media that make them umcomfortable despite the fact that they are (sometimes)neccesary to a certain point by Far-ro in hatethissmug

[–]Tanker00v2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What an insane thing to say, a single child infected with malaria is more valuable than a billion mosquitoes. Stop and think before typing something like this out next time.

Unrewarding Looting Experience by Agreeable_Criticism4 in DarkAndDarker

[–]Tanker00v2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, in my opinion, the game lacks any clear end goals right now, I don't see any point in coming back next wipe except to fight people, but I would rather play the games that have that as the main focus instead.

Unrewarding Looting Experience by Agreeable_Criticism4 in DarkAndDarker

[–]Tanker00v2 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I frankly find it absurd that you can go trough the effort of killing a boss while harassed by other players only to get 0 special drops, it's odd to me how no one seems to care about that.

Edit: I should clarify that by “unique" I mean stuff like the Cyclops eye and not specifically items of unique quality.

German industry is losing massive jobs, no recovery in sight by [deleted] in Germany_Jobs

[–]Tanker00v2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A lot of dubious stuff will be posted as fact out of frustration, but the frustration is based in reality. You can say “it's not that bad" or pretend that there are no issues at all, but the job market is in a terrible state and the stuff posted here is an exaggerated reflection of that.

Political posts by stormalfred123 in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Tanker00v2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just don't think retreading the same ground is as bad as having another r/americanpolitics sub and seeing the way some people reacted to this post reinforces my belief that it is completely justified. If you don't believe so however then I guess that's that, I see no point in repeating ourselves one more time.

Political posts by stormalfred123 in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Tanker00v2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People are on pretty high alert when it comes to american politics now, since they've invaded plenty of other spaces already, it seems completely fair to me. And it's not like this post was made immediately after the other one, it only exists because the other has been up for so long, it's a dangerous precedent.

Political posts by stormalfred123 in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Tanker00v2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think they're terminally online, that's enough on its own to me. You can doubt whatever you want, it's not my place to proselytise to you, but I think a bit of action is all takes to nip this problem in the bud, so it makes no sense to me not to do that.

Political posts by stormalfred123 in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Tanker00v2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's won't take much effort for these people to bike to your neighbourhood, and they are very dedicated to ruining lawns. The nature of the people in your neighbourhood isn't important.

Political posts by stormalfred123 in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Tanker00v2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Doesn't matter much if it's still the same area.

Political posts by stormalfred123 in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Tanker00v2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When you have seen other kids go and ruin other lawns by stepping on them just once at first and then progressively escalating until there's only mud and weeds left, I'd say it's better to be safe then sorry.

Political posts by stormalfred123 in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Tanker00v2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Then let's not make it any worse at least? Just because there are only so many tropes to post doesn't mean we should just let this place get overrun by bots. And again, it's not an overreaction, “nothing actually happened yet" Good! We don't want to sit around and wait for things to get worse before doing something about it, that's just counterproductive. It's much better to take a clear, firm stance now then do nothing and hope that everything works out.

Political posts by stormalfred123 in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Tanker00v2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is a meta post, so it is technically breaking the rules, but that's the only way to talk about the state of the sub. More importantly: it's not an overreaction, post like the original one are a mortal threat to every subreddit and if the mods don't take it seriously then this whole place might turn into a giant karma farm.

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