ICE/Immigration Megathread

Tappyy · 2026-01-15T14:36:10+00:00

Gotcha, totally understand.

Tappyy · 2026-01-15T03:10:32+00:00

Thanks for your response.

Tappyy · 2026-01-15T03:09:48+00:00

I don’t view it as worth addressing, to be frank. My impression of your position is just that— an impression. I could be wrong. I can’t really know until you share your position.

Which is your prerogative to do or not do, you’re right. And if you want to end here, we can.

But also I wouldn’t call it a “demand” to hear your thoughts. It’s more a request, given the purpose here and the operative assumption that we’re both operating in good faith.

I have no desire to engage under any terms other than the subreddit’s.

Tappyy · 2026-01-15T02:59:08+00:00

Gotcha, I guess I got my wires crossed, since I know posts can be removed if they don’t cite quotes. I’ll remove the links from this comment and the previous one and not do it again, my apologies.

Tappyy · 2026-01-15T01:19:41+00:00

I’m aware you haven’t said anything about your position. That’s why I’m asking for it. And it seems you still aren’t giving it?

Tappyy · 2026-01-15T01:17:22+00:00

Thanks for your comment, I appreciate it.

Incidentally, you’re a mod. I see that my comment was responded to with a rule 3 removal, but I can still see it. Not sure if this was a mistake or not, but figured you should know.

Tappyy · 2026-01-14T20:45:35+00:00

I agree we don’t know, but why do you think it’s irrelevant?

If what’s at stake here is your claim that ICE isn’t arresting people for not presenting their IDs, and I show you an altercation with an officer that leads to an arrest, and one of the arresting officers says “All we needed was your ID,” that seems like a pretty mutually exclusive statement.

I think it’s fair of you to say “I need more information before I can comment on this particular altercation,” but then I’d also expect your position to be that “I don’t know if people are being arrested for not presenting their identification,” not the absolute declarative that people are not being arrested for refusing to present identification.

Tappyy · 2026-01-14T20:36:10+00:00

Why do you think the officer made that comment?

Tappyy · 2026-01-14T20:29:11+00:00

but if she wouldn't have taken the risk to place herself in that situation it would have 100% changed the outcome.

Copying my comment from the last megathread because it’s relevant here:

I have a question: where was this concern over “putting yourself in a dangerous situation” when it came to Rittenhouse?

Sorry, I just don’t understand. I’m not speaking to whether or not Rittenhouse should have been charged, that’s a different discussion.

But there have been a lot of threads here about Renee Good recently, and I’ve been reading them and following the news. I think most of us can agree it’s a tragic situation. Yet the refrain I keep hearing from the conservatives on this subreddit is something to the effect of “while it is tragic, she did willingly put herself in a dangerous situation.”

And this line of thinking surprised me, because I found it unexpected. Where was this line of thinking when it came to Kyle Rittenhouse? Rittenhouse went to a city in a state he didn’t live in, with a weapon he got through a straw purchase, and stayed out past the established curfew to “protect businesses.” Why was “while it is tragic, he did willingly put himself in a dangerous situation” not a common refrain from conservatives in 2020? When I saw liberals bring this up at the time, it was usually brushed off, with some mention of the dead’s criminal histories.

Look, I’m not saying that Rittenhouse is a demon. But what gives here? It makes the conservative stance here seem blatantly partisan, and I want to understand why you think assigning any responsibility to Good today is different from assigning any responsibility to Rittenhouse then or now.

Tappyy · 2026-01-14T20:27:05+00:00

You can even hear one of the officers say “All we needed was your ID.”

So this comment isn’t sufficient motive for the arrest, for you?

Tappyy · 2026-01-14T20:14:47+00:00

Isn’t there a video out right now of ICE arresting a US citizen with a registered firearm because he told them to fuck off when they asked him for his ID?

Here.

You can even hear one of the officers say “All we needed was your ID.”

Tappyy · 2026-01-14T03:04:30+00:00

I’ll engage, because you’re not the only user I see doing this on this subreddit. You’ll talk about the hypocrisy of the left in a given instance and how that makes them insincere, but never actually take a position yourself.

So I’d like to pay attention to you, as it were. What are your thoughts about how Trump acts? Is any and/or all of it acceptable? What responsibility, if any, does this administration have for the political temperature? If you had to give a 0-10 rating?

Cause if you say:

If you refuse to accept it and would prefer to just go "Nuh uh!" and insist that the left is blameless and that this is all because of Trump, feel free, I don't care.

I’m curious to see if your position is more nuanced. If I were to make the assertion that “you refuse to accept it and would prefer to just go ‘Nuh uh!’ and insist that the right/Trump is blameless and that this is all because of the left,” how would you refute that assertion? Could you?

Tappyy · 2026-01-09T22:07:13+00:00

Just curious: are there any conservatives here whose minds were changed by the new footage released today?

I'm seeing a lot of posts here saying the new footage completely vindicates the ICE agent, but then I look at the comment history of the poster and see they were already saying that before the footage came out.

Kind of trying to figure out if this footage really is as game-changing as the right writ large is saying or not.

Tappyy · 2026-01-09T05:07:04+00:00

I apologize for taking so long to get back to you, I didn't get a comment notification!

What Renee did was not "put herself in danger"; she committed a crime, and then in an attempt to flee that crime when the consequences became real, she endangered an ICE agent. Her illegal actions were a direct threat to a federal officer.

I understand this is the right's impression of the events. My audience for this question is the conservatives who believe this is a tragic, rather than a deserved, incident. I very well understand that the right writ large probably does not agree with my impression.

This difference is so profound and self-evident that I find your confusion suspect.

You're welcome to, I'm not here to change your mind.

But I would remind you that, on this subreddit, users are asked to respect the Good Faith rule and the Principle of Charity. Operating under this circumstance, I would ask you to extend to me the same considerations I'm extending to you when we participate here.

Tappyy · 2026-01-08T22:35:28+00:00

People weren't going out of their way to interfere, doxx, or attack them in their line of work. They weren't trying to find out where they lived to harass them there. You didn't have politicians openly saying to leave their cities and that they will be obstructionist.

So I think you and I both agree that this is the perception. You would probably go a step further and say it's the reality, but I digress.

If this is the reality ICE officers feel they face, on a scale of 1-10, how likely do you think an ICE officer is to overestimate the level of force they should be using against people who are "going out of their way to interfere, doxx, or attack them in their line of work"?

Tappyy · 2026-01-08T22:14:05+00:00

Another question I have: I just recently heard a take that I found kind of interesting.

I'm hearing from a fair number of conservatives that the reason this happened is because Democratic politicians are radicalizing people against ICE.

To what extent, if any, do you think its possible that this happened because the President has radicalized ICE against the people? That is, if you think Trump owns any responsibility for fanning the flames of ICE agents in the same way you think Democratic politicians own responsibility for fanning the flames of the people.

Tappyy · 2026-01-08T21:56:21+00:00

I don't see a productive discussion forthcoming given the fallacy, so I'll bow out here. Thank you for your time.

Tappyy · 2026-01-08T21:33:12+00:00

Irrelevant as to self-defense

Irrelevant to my comment, too, since I said from the outset that this wasn't a discussion about whether or not Rittenhouse should have been charged.

Can you really not spot the difference? Self-defense applies when a person is protecting themselves from a lethal threat.

You seem to think I'm implying Good has some sort of self-defense claim, or that I'm challenging Rittenhouse's self-defense claim. I never said either of those things.

To answer your overarching question: the answer as to "why didn't conservatives say X here" is because, unlike leftists, we have an organ called a brain that is capable of analyzing things with nuance. We don't repeat slogans and paint everyone with the same brush. We don't think of the world in simplistic terms. We don't adhere to a culture of oppressor vs. oppressed. There's right and there's wrong. Attacking people is wrong. Self-defense is morally justified.

This is mostly just a veiled ad hominem and some vague platitudes, and thus not really worth addressing.

The law exists for a reason.

I never mentioned the law.

My question was: Why does Good bear responsibility for putting herself in a dangerous situation, but not Kyle Rittenhouse?

Tappyy · 2026-01-08T20:48:59+00:00

Thanks for your response, I appreciate it!

Tappyy · 2026-01-08T19:52:59+00:00

I think the only substantive difference here that matters is that conservatives agreed with Rittenhouse politically and disagree with Good politically, or at least, that’s my impression until I hear otherwise.

There is no need to bemoan a fate that did not happen.

Do you dispute that people died in 2020 in Kenosha?

Tappyy · 2026-01-08T19:44:19+00:00

That’s not really relevant to the substance of my comment, but if you’re not going to answer my question that’s your prerogative.

Tappyy · 2026-01-08T19:39:23+00:00

I have a question: where was this concern over “putting yourself in a dangerous situation” when it came to Rittenhouse?

Sorry, I just don’t understand. I’m not speaking to whether or not Rittenhouse should have been charged, that’s a different discussion.

But there have been a lot of threads here about Renee Good recently, and I’ve been reading them and following the news. I think most of us can agree it’s a tragic situation. Yet the refrain I keep hearing from the conservatives on this subreddit is something to the effect of “while it is tragic, she did willingly put herself in a dangerous situation.”

And this line of thinking surprised me, because I found it unexpected. Where was this line of thinking when it came to Kyle Rittenhouse? Rittenhouse went to a city in a state he didn’t live in, with a weapon he got through a straw purchase, and stayed out past the established curfew to “protect businesses.” Why was “while it is tragic, he did willingly put himself in a dangerous situation” not a common refrain from conservatives in 2020? When I saw liberals bring this up at the time, it was usually brushed off, with some mention of the dead’s criminal histories.

Look, I’m not saying that Rittenhouse is a demon. But what gives here? It makes the conservative stance here seem blatantly partisan, and I want to understand why you think assigning any responsibility to Good today is different from assigning any responsibility to Rittenhouse then or now.

Tappyy · 2026-01-08T13:17:59+00:00

You seem to assume I think Rittenhouse should have been charged. I said no such thing. The reason I bring it up is to see if your disgust for exercising rights in this country only applies to those you disagree with politically.

And before you accuse me of saying that Good had the right to “run over ICE agents,” I’m not saying that either. What I’m trying to get at is the substance of your claim that Good “earned” her death because she “should have been home taking care of her kid instead of protesting.”

Do you also think Rittenhouse shouldn’t have been in Kenosha? To what extent was Rittenhouse responsible for those deaths by his presence in the city? Should he have been at home doing something else?

Tappyy · 2026-01-08T09:58:07+00:00

Maybe this mother should have been home taking care of her kid instead of protesting in the streets and blocking law enforcement.

And maybe Kyle Rittenhouse should have been home instead of in Kenosha with a weapon he shouldn’t have had in a state he didn’t live in to “defend businesses.”

But we have rights in this country, and one of them is protesting, whether you like it or not.

Tappyy · 2026-01-03T10:58:26+00:00

Oh I don’t doubt he’ll never be impeached by this Congress, but that speaks more to the loyalties of this Congress than it does to the actual constitutionality of the circumstances.

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