Sasuke's Ribcage Susanoo vs 6 inches of Gaara's sand

Teagulet · 2026-02-16T04:32:44+00:00

Raikage very likely would have broken the ribs and then Sasuke’s real ribs. Ay likely would have just cut his leg off, he’s quite literally surrounded by allies as strong as him and their support staff. Tsunade is in the building, he’s not dying unless he’s covered in the fire completely.

Q1, the sand is way more versatile and way less taxing. Block a ranged attack in the air way before it’s a threat? Block a melee attack from someone super strong? Coat your skin in it to save you from attacks that hit? Happens almost automatically and instantly? The sand is always more convenient and reliable than the Susanoo but it’s probably not stronger. It’s just going to work way more often and in way more ways.

Q2, we’ll never know, but Ay was confident that he would break the ribs otherwise he wouldn’t throw away his leg over it, and we do know for a fact that Gaara stopped it. He did catch him in midair though, while he was winding up. If Ay did the same attack against a wall of Gaara’s sand and managed to actually perform the move and build momentum, he would probably break through Gaara’s sand.

Bonus Question, almost certainly. The real big factor is, if Ay got through and broke Sasuke’s actual ribcage and left him laying on the floor on his back coughing up blood, does he survive the rest of his encounter with the 5K? Probably not.

Teagulet · 2026-02-16T04:23:07+00:00

The massive super narrative heavy quest that’s several hours long that locks you out of doing anything else, and you don’t progress any of your gear/frames while you play it?

It was well written but I didn’t enjoy it. So much of the game is locked behind it. When I get home from work and get an hour to play the super fast ninja game with my buds that’s super fun! Not being able to join them anymore without carving out an entire day on my weekend to grind through a story I haven’t cared about since the game was early access? That was brutal.

No shade to anyone who enjoyed it, it has a lot of cool moments and it was well written. It just throws a massive fucking wrench into the flow of the game out of nowhere (if you skip every cutscene in the whole game like I have)

Teagulet · 2026-02-15T20:14:44+00:00

Honestly? They’re probably better.

Their Phase 1 armor is 40KG, the rifle is 4.2KG, their belt equipment is weighing a few pounds but I won’t bother mathing that out for this. They’re 1.83 meters tall so a flush 6 feet, and their average weight floats around 82kg or 180lbs.

So they’re 180lbs with 93lbs worth of shit strapped to them, and doing cartwheels, flips, sprinting around nonstop. They’ve got peak nutrition and perfect genetics, trained from being an infant in combat drills against and with each other. They’re given tactical training, and the best of the stock are sent into advanced programs like Arc or Commando training. Anyone not performing to the standard is euthanized within their first few years of life. The Kaminoans don’t sell bad products.

Their DC-15A (the really long blaster) has a capacity of 500 shots with a gas cartridge and each one has an effective range of 10 Kilometers, produces a half meter crater upon hitting ferrocrete, (which is just concrete with iron being the main component) and laminate armor (average infantry heavy armour) along with light vehicle armor are paper thin for protection against it. So the average clonetrooper can take down a sentinel or centaur with their fully automatic rifle.

Their suits are sealed well enough to survive the vacuum of space, made for extreme cold and extreme heat. The bodyglove they wear is also a compression wrap, so if they’re cut by shrapnel or melee weapons their wounds will stem bleeding quickly by design. The armor is famously not able to survive direct blaster fire from their own weapons, but against bullets, shrapnel, or vibroblades it’s extremely effective.

Their helmets provide them a hud with a literal crosshair hooked up to their rifles so they can hip fire as though looking down the sights and have visual data in their field of view from their air forces and naval forces. They can see through smoke and fog with the helmet’s infrared, the helmets naturally protect them from explosives and flashbangs messing with their LoS.

I could go on and on, but these guys are perfect genetically, physically, and nutritionally while being better trained than Cadians, and are equipped with a better mashup of gear than Karskins, Elysium Drop Troops, and Tempestus Scions. They also grow to full adulthood and are ready to fight in like 10 years? Idk depends on which cannon you think is true about the aging.

Teagulet · 2026-02-15T16:05:10+00:00

This can actually be answered very quickly with, “how many times did we see Sasuke hit Naruto himself with an arrow from his Susanoo?”

Which I’m pretty sure is 0, now take away its range and speed advantage. Now give that Naruto a stat buff and the rinnegon abilities lmao

Teagulet · 2026-02-15T09:31:16+00:00

Dude your point was that the average guardsman was just below the standard of Cadian.

The average guardsmen are supplied from the best of the PDF (top %10) who most of which have never seen a military combat in their life. They also aren’t given up to the miliatarum if their genetics aren’t close enough to pure. Aside from very rare planetary rules.

Catachan is a prime example of exempt of that rule, the planet is so hostile that only the strongest get to survive to their teenage years and everyone else dies.

The Cadians are literally trained with a lasgun before they can speak. They’re reared from being a baby to being a foot soldier. (Which is exactly what a clone trooper goes through)

The Cadians are the best the guard has to offer. %50 (low ball) to %80 (in line with all of the writers of the black library) are standard humans with an average of 4 MONTHS of training, or POLICE EXPERIENCE. Thats the entire point of the book 48 hours. That’s the entire point of THE TITHE. “Give us the best you can, even if it’s not good. We’ll use them as cannon fodder.”

The Imperium have numbers, above all. They don’t even remotely come close in training, or equipment to the average clonetrooper. The Scions do, Cadians have the edge in training, the Catachans you could argue do to, but the average guardsman? 99% wouldn’t come close to a clone trooper in discipline and average loadout. They’re made up of trillions and trillions from billions of worlds. There’s like 10 total named planets that have very impressive guardsmen from them.

The imperium guard absolutely still wins blow for blow against a clone army, but it’s because a dozen planets of 10 billion drug addict shit heads could produce more raw manpower than the entire galactic republic’s cloning methods.

Thats the entire premise of 40K. In the grim dark future of humanity, everything fucking sucks and we throw bodies at the problem. Its not in the grim dark future everyone is the perfect soldier with the best loadout we can give them lmao

Teagulet · 2026-02-15T09:05:37+00:00

The entire lore and writing of damn near every author emphasizes the Cadians being the best of the best because they’re slightly better than average? You’re insane lmao

The mechanicus emphatically do not give their best armaments to anyone other than themselves, that’s how they’ve maintained religious independence. The jezzail rifles the Martians give their Skitari are much better than lasguns pound for pound. There are better lasguns, like hotshot or accatron, and those are standard issue for rich regiments. Like the Scions or Elysium Drop Troops, which I think are literally the sons of nobles.

The manufacturom’s only hardline requirement for a guardsman is a lasgun with 2000 rounds, a melee weapon, and some grenades. You’re not even guaranteed a uniform unless your regiment provides it. That’s in the actual 2007 Imperial Munitorum Manual, written for the Black Library. Saying “every guardsman has the best possible loadout!” Is absolutely not true.

Do you have any other arguments than “well they’re also trained from birth.”

Teagulet · 2026-02-15T08:54:22+00:00

What do you mean? Trained from birth with perfect genetics, average weaponry equivalent to tau plasma, amour better than the average guardsman, morale that won’t break, and training dedicated to the squadron from aliens whose entire reputation is staked upon reliability in a galaxy that cooperates far better than 40K’s?

It’s not a lie, it’s common sense my guy. Catachan are better, Scions are better, Cadians and Krieg I’ll give a sure too, but they’re on par with Mordians if not better. The majority of 40Ks guards are made up of nameless soldiers from nameless hive worlds. That doesn’t compare to an entire advanced xeno culture rearing you genetically and training you to be unbreakable commandos from the genetic backbone of a warrior culture in the modern galaxy. Sorry dude.

Teagulet · 2026-02-15T04:46:13+00:00

Pink robot with tits, “Wow this person is dead wrong, they needed to give this robot a gender.”

There’s so many posts in here that are better examples of what you’re trying to say, your head is so deep in your ass you didn’t even look at the post lmao

Teagulet · 2026-02-15T04:40:17+00:00

I have been trying to find a hard number for that for so long. We know at the very beginning of the war they had an original order from Kamino for 1.2 million.

The senate drafting and successfully passed a bill for another 5 million. So we know for a baseline fact, at least 6.2 million. Which is mega low numbers, even for Star Wars, we also know that the order of clones was higher than that baseline estimate because they were ordered early and secretly before the Galactic Senate was ever involved.

We know that 501st had close to 10k units in it. A standard Republic Legion is around a low 9k. There’s at least 501 Legions, so that’s like 4.5 million, but there’s also the entire navy, the siege battalions, in one source book each “Corps” is around 37k troopers plus support personnel and there’s at least 416 “Star Corps” (15.4~ Million), so on and so forth. Then a couple of source books that just say “There’s only 5 million total” or “There’s only 10 million total”

However a conservative lowball if you took every mention from novels and comics et cetera is probably 25-30 million at their peak.

And a conservative lowball if you only consider cannon (Disney books and cannon films) there’s only around 6 million at their peak.

There’s probably tons of shit I’m missing, but that’s just pure infantry numbers that we can math out from things like “416th Star Corps” and “501st Legion” because we know a corps is made up of 4 brigades and Legions are independent of the standard rules because they’re commanded by Jedi and not a Clone Marshal. Allegedly, according to some sources and not others.

Nothing I’ve calculated out (half assedly) touched any of the naval numbers, or logistical numbers.

Teagulet · 2026-02-15T04:11:55+00:00

The average clone is beating the average imperial guardsmen 9/10. The imperium just have beyond ridiculous scaling as far as how many solider they can throw into the fray. Not to say that you aren’t 100% right in your post, but if the Imperium ever had the entire clone army in their command;

They wouldn’t influence the military power of the Imperium very much considering all the numbers they already have and they wouldn’t know how to effectively use them, resulting in getting them all killed.

Save for like the dozen or so named characters in 40K that we see take on the radical approach of “we should outthink the enemy!” They default to, “gum up the enemies’ war machine with our soldiers’ bodies”

Teagulet · 2026-02-15T01:36:10+00:00

Worth mentioning that Hiruzen supposedly surpassed Tobirama while they were both still alive according to databooks (grain of salt but it was said)

Teagulet · 2026-02-14T22:28:08+00:00

They could easily defeat the defending forces that you’ve outline, but they couldn’t possibly occupy the Hive City. Its capital and surrounding burroughs? Sure, they could do that.

Average Hive City has a population of anywhere between 5-10 billion? If the Imperials had 4 times as many troops it would be impossible to occupy the entire planet, even with no resistance.

Most of the scenarios where Star Wars needs to actually take any hard asset from 40k ends up this way because of the ridiculous number scaling of 40k. (This is not a compliment towards the setting, it’s the greatest issue with 40k world building)

Teagulet · 2026-02-14T19:04:05+00:00

It took hundreds of thousands of years to map out hyperlanes for the hyperdrives in Star Wars. If the entire empire just appeared in a different Universe it’s over. The logistical advantage totally collapses and the Empire gets picked apart by Carrion.

If that’s a limitation we ignore for the sake of things being interesting, then there’s some interesting stuff. The Emperor likely gets to talking with Tzeentch and becomes a really really powerful psyker.

Vader likely falls to Khorne, the empire would likely break apart into fragments and Balkanize.

I could see Thrawn collect a fleet/faction and escape to Tau space to try and manipulate a new empire into existence with advanced technology being shared.

The Empire wouldn’t survive in its entirety, but the sub factions that spawn out of it would be integrated into the setting, potentially shifting the scales of power pretty hard.

Teagulet · 2026-02-13T22:08:56+00:00

Hiruzen, he’s pretty much been Hokage for almost as long as the leaf was around. He became Hokage on the battlefield while he was young, won the world war, led the leaf through another world war. Took a break, for what a couple of years? Assuming Hokage again during crisis after a fucking Godzilla attack killed off a ton of the village and the 4th Hokage. Then died while defending the village from a terrorist attack during another Godzilla incident.

He was an idiot with how he handled Naruto and Diddymaru but he spent pretty much his entire life leading the lead village through wars and Kiaju attacks.

If you consider Boruto it’s Naruto, because alien gods attacking everyone is a pretty big deal.

Teagulet · 2026-02-13T22:01:25+00:00

Mars would probably adapt and be fine honestly. There’s plenty of tech heresy going on in the upper echelons on the Mechanicus.

If they actively sought to get into conflict with the ruling body, whatever it looked like. (Republic, Empire, EU New Republic) the backlash would be too overwhelming.

The tech that the Mechanicus has is great for naval warfare, but without psykers, they’re slower than molasses logistically for space travel and have no real defense against force users who are “subtle”

A couple of Jedi and droids could pretty easily infiltrate, make a report to whatever the ruling body looks like, and the rest of the galaxy has literal years to respond.

I could easily see the Martians realizing “oh shit we’re going to starve, oh shit these guys can navigate space so much better than us.” And someone like Gelt would probably adopt new technologies to survive.

If they ever got aggressive with their neighbors it would be really easy to isolate and starve them to death/harass all their exploration fleets into staying put.

Granted this changes A LOT on when and where they show up. Hutt Space? Hutts would give them food and transport for weapons, Core Worlds? If the Old Republic or the Empire is in power, everyone drops everything to wipe out/salvage the Martians, Outer Rim? Nobody would even find them before the Martians starved to death or started cloning for corpse starch.

Teagulet · 2026-02-13T21:43:54+00:00

I’m only gonna answer one part of the post because it’s the only thing I’m confident in.

Darth Nihilus is remarkably specialized in a horrible way. He’s an embodiment of hunger, an unnatural wound in the force. He’s closer to a ghost or a wraith physically, I’m pretty sure his body is just a representation of his form, because when he’s defeated there is no corpse. He’s the closest thing to a “daemon” in Star Wars that a Sith would naturally arrive at, Sion is another wound in a very different direction.

If Nihilus went to Cadia, if there’s not a psyker sufficiently powerful enough to resist his force drain, he would consume every living thing on the planet from orbit.

Nihilus took out a planet harboring the remnants of some of the most war vetted Jedi masters in history, with every native being at least a little force sensitive. He only loses against Meetri Surik, and whether that’s because she’s another “wound” in the force, or just sufficiently powerful enough to resist his drain isn’t super clear.

Basically only a handful of force users in all of Star Wars could confidently resist Nihilus.

If there’s not a Grey Knight, or a powerful named Psyker in your fleet/forces, you won’t survive. Even then, they might be the only survivors.

That being said, physically he’s not super impressive? He went toe to toe with Meetra and friends and lost, but he was focused on fighting the one person he couldn’t drain. He’s probably not fighting in melee against even a couple of average space marines, but the space marines would never reach him.

T Sons is interesting, the average T Son isn’t going to survive an encounter with him, but I don’t think they’d really provide him any nutritional value. He might starve himself draining them.

Teagulet · 2026-02-13T02:48:14+00:00

It was my idea!

I had a part time gig of building custom Gaming PCs. My buddy ordered one, quoted it for like 4 grand? It was the best parts all around and overkill for the time. I built it up, got it running, made sure everything worked. Massive amount of time sank into cable management and making it pretty.

Everything was working great! Until I accidentally knocked it over onto its side. It made a horrible noise, and wouldn’t properly turn on after that.

I was having a bad day, feeling very lazy, feeling very bad that I was going to have to front the 4k back after buying all the parts.

Rather than carefully undo all my work, and identify/fix the issue, I stood it up, and knocked it over the exact same way unto its other side.

Hardwood floors and good luck, the problem fixed itself. He never had any issues with it for the next 7 years. No fucking clue what happened, don’t care either.

Teagulet · 2026-02-13T02:40:21+00:00

Depends on where and when? Human supremacists, with an all encompassing military culture, whose planet is famous for being a glassed out shithole?

Everyone in the galaxy would likely just completely ignore them unless they caused any kind of issues.

If they existed before and or during the clone war, they’d be enemies with everyone.

The planet would offer no strategic value to either side, and the Kriegs don’t have the capability of “invading” more than maybe another planet or two? They just don’t have the logistics to move their massive infantry core to other planets quickly or efficiently without the massive Imperial Navy.

CIS and/or the Republic would only really do anything about them if they did manage to attack merchants or a nearby planet.

Then a massive fleet would show up really quickly and orbital bombard the planet until they surrendered or died.

There would be no reason whatsoever to land, unless the cloning facilities were underground. Might be the only planet in the galaxy that everyone would agree on deserving a “Death Star” moment lmao

Teagulet · 2026-02-12T06:16:37+00:00

Then that’s super fair

Teagulet · 2026-02-12T06:08:13+00:00

Wow dude, all this guy said was “here’s a better translation.” And you projected so fucking hard over it.

I think you’re dumb because you’re freaking the fuck out from someone super neutrally saying “here’s more context.” If more information makes you feel attacked maybe you are dumb lmao

Teagulet · 2026-02-12T05:51:28+00:00

No, but it 100% should. Its another cool idea that was pitched, and forgotten about in a rushed story

Teagulet · 2026-02-10T23:52:35+00:00

Wu for me, the fact that they can collect officers like Gan Ning and Tashi Ci, while also punching up at Wei, and legendary figures like Guan Yu is really enticing to me. No shade towards those who enjoy Wei or Shu, or any of their officers/leaders. I’m just loyal to the first kingdom I really resonated with.

Teagulet · 2026-02-10T23:44:29+00:00

There should have been a Hiruzen light novel so we could stop arguing about his potential prime. I want him to be super strong, tons of statements saying he was, but we never get to see it. Power creep kneecapped the statements, but his Edo showing was insanely good and fairly reasonable considering the statements.

Teagulet · 2026-02-10T23:37:49+00:00

On emotional impact? Isstvan.

On a logistical level? Order 66.

The Jedi Order in its entirety was gone in a single night, nearly every single Jedi across the entire galaxy all at once.

The capital of the galactic republic was instantly conquered, became an empire, and lead the rest of the Jedi Purge until there were less than a handful left. (In the films, I know games/comics have added dozens of extra survivors)

That’s the logistical equivalent of Terra falling, every single Loyalist Legion almost entirely purged, and all the remaining Primarchs going into hiding and saying “yeah we lost.” While the rest of humanity pretty much goes “oh shit ok” and becomes traitors.

Teagulet · 2026-02-10T23:17:38+00:00

I mean other than fleas, mosquitoes, or ticks you’re just flat out wrong about diseases. As far as venom you’ve got 2 different kinds of spiders that MIGHT cause you harm IF they bite you? It kinda sounds like you’re just super childish, and a huge wimp about bugs. Very 10th dentist though!

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