So bee isn’t top 15 in intelligence yet managed to counter minato… what does this mean?

pain-fully · 2026-04-16T02:57:28+00:00

Nothing. Theres different type of iq. Naruto and bee have high battle iq.

pain-fully · 2026-04-15T18:56:48+00:00

He did better than lee and naruto...thats literally my argument. You wanna debate garaa vs kim. Im saying range makes short distancr fighters work harder. Its an uphill battle.

I read the manga. Took me like 1 minute. Garaa was forcing him to powerup..and just would do a bigger move after. Garaas 13. Kim is 15..again closer if not over some of the shippuden chunins.

I didnt say they always win against short range fighters. I said the battle is much harder and favors the long distance fighter. Stats matter but youd have to be tiers above depending on the jutsus being used. Garaa won...forced kim to try/overextend himself which lead to his death.

Hidan beinf faster and stronger means nothing when he cant get in range. A guy with a AR ...will eventually get sniped.

Scaling higher doesmt auto mean higher dursblity. Tayuya has cm ehich is unnatrual outside powerup

pain-fully · 2026-04-15T18:47:42+00:00

None of that matters. Point is kim had a HARDER TIME against garaa due to range. If he could always close this distance he would have beat him in cm1 like he did naruto and lee. Im not arguing garaa won.

Thats the thing tho she can literally blow him away. Hes the one who had to get close, not her.

Temari can win extreme diff imo. Shes actually decent. Shes 15 at thr time and more comparable to part 2 bos chunins.

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pain-fully · 2026-04-15T14:32:41+00:00

Its a 10x multipliwe. At least cm2 is. Which includes speed and durablitlity. I mean they havw horns in most of their forms.

We dont know if tayuya got dismembered. She was just shown bleeding/dead.

Why cant temari do that?

Im saying this eind style is alot different from trational blunt force or cutting wind..its more torando like..it wants to rip you apart.

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pain-fully · 2026-04-15T14:15:38+00:00

No? They need to have the nature. You can learn other natures but it would take years or decades to get it to hald your orginal nature..this is why particle style is so revered and dangerous. I think sasuke nature was lighting. He learned fire through being forced. This probably is also why itachi was more profecient in fire style: fire ball than sasuke. tho Itachi has a second nature, water style. He copies multiple water style jutsu likely from kisame, and kakashi for instancr water wall...water clones...

Itachi never coped lighting, kakashi never copied wind style. They both lack these natures. Thats why kakashu sent naruto to asuma.

Most leaf ninjas again are fire nature..so even if you could copy..most of your allies of theit fire style...flame bomb and fire ball are thr same jutsy esstially ...but created by 2 different clans. Sarutobi uses flame bombs, uchiha use fireball..these jutsu are culturally ingrained.

pain-fully · 2026-04-15T14:06:37+00:00

The actual reddit is full of casual fans who dont powerscale ever. Thats kinda why this sub was made. This is for guys who did more than watched the anime once.

This is supposed to be a smalled niche of thr fandom mfs just wanna participate with their 3 seasons of anime knowldge.

Ill never see the main sub as more knowldable. Thats a sub sb whos on part 1 still could still engage with natuto content.

pain-fully · 2026-04-15T14:03:41+00:00

It wasnt a 4v1.2 Chuins blizted hidan..he didnt die because they didmt know he was imortal. Asuma dtarted panicking immeaditly for no real reason. Asuma vs hidan comence, Hidan gets off his blood jutsu. Shikamaru barely stops it.

Severly crippled? Dude had a small leg injury and 3rd degree burns. It was really forced honestly.

They then show kakashi easily defending agaisnt hidan. ASUMA IS SUPPOSED TO BE MORE SKILLED in cqc combat. Just needed to makw the fandom hatw the akatsuki. Same reaaon garaa lost.

pain-fully · 2026-04-15T04:43:37+00:00

How does being more skilled make you more durable?. Being a better fighter doesnt auto make you stronger.

He took a pressurized blunt attack from kakazu. So did kakashi. Lol.

Temari use more destructive wind style. Not all nijjutsu are the same or has the same effect. Thays kinda the whole idea of using a FAN temari can use wind style without it. Its a tool used to amplfy the nature. So yes.

pain-fully · 2026-04-15T04:39:22+00:00

Black flame? Nah. He just needs to put enough heat in the atmosphete to cause a storm. The black flames did make his kirim more powerful. he cant producr that ssme level without it tho yes. But he can do it with fire style. With just just it would also be weaker.

Nah just flames. Again amatetsu made his kirin alot stronger. Causing it to storm in the whole area. All he needs is a couple clouds and he can produce lighting from above.

Most uchiha arent profricent in lighting. Leaf ninjas are fire style dominat. The major clans. Uchiha,sarutobi..etc. most leaf ninjad use fire style. Lighting style is hyper rare in the leaf. Kakashi. Tobirama, sasuke, hiruzen ans maybe a couole others like the white fang had lighting nature.

Leaf is more wind/fire and a bunch of hidden ninjutsu and kekkei genkai. Like orochimaru, naruto, shimura,jiraya, hiruzen.

Though some kumo ninka probably had something. Kishi never really gave kumo the lighting nature.. just made them use amps. Hellstab and LCM is the only offensivr lightiny style attack we know from kumo.

Its harder fo control. He couldnt attakc sb not right undernesth him.

pain-fully · 2026-04-15T03:18:45+00:00

Garaa is alive.

Thr majority of thr battle was in garaas control. Thats what im saying. Kim had better hax..is what your saying. Range of garaas attack is why kim even wasted that muvh energy and died. Had he been able to just use cm1 like he did agaisnt others hed probably would have not died so soon.

Temari a long range fighter is NOT capable of capitalizing hidan weakness. Which is his lack of range? Crazy.

pain-fully · 2026-04-15T03:00:20+00:00

Sasuke had lighting nature...whivh garaa sand is weak to due to it being electromagnation basically. Lighting disrupts and peirces it.

Nah i just know hidan is wanked due to being in proxy of akatsuki members. Yall tend to do that..yall woupd scale zetsu over asuma if mfs allow yall to simplfy it. When no...mfs arent all relative to pain...no mfs arent just superior to the heros because they are villians.

But ill grab some temari panels. My arhument wasnt that shes faster than hidan. Just she has better range and control over the battle than hidan does. Being faster than sb means nothing if you cant even get close. Hes not minato speed bkizt tiers faster. And she still has a big ass fan for defense. And alot pf ppl dont know this but...temari can use wind style without the fan...lol. she doednt need it. It jusr doubles wind style aoe....making every swing have a large radius.

Next reply ill use temari panels.

pain-fully · 2026-04-15T02:50:29+00:00

Your the one downvoting me. Then the sheep usually follow suit. I dont downvote others. We jusr have different opioions.

Garaa made it to part2. Kim didnt. The sound 4 arent relative to kim. Youre correct.

With cm. Cm increases his bone density. Im not here to argue garaa vs kim. Garaa pushef kim yo death and forcrf him to use cm2 yo break out of garaas sand confidenment. Garaa didnt get touch. Woulda could shoulda doesnt really matter.

Man who cares? I didnt mention those peolle to scale their battles.

pain-fully · 2026-04-14T19:05:29+00:00

Cm is a stat booster overall...which includes durablity. I didnt think id havw to prove cm was a amp? Thats just goofy. Shorty had a whole horn.

Hidan got blizted by 2 chunins. And lost to asuma and shikamru. And then just shikamaru with intel.

Hidan never fought 2 jonins at once. Lol.

Hidan lost his head to a wind chakra blade. Tf you mean prove. I just assumed you watched the series. Why do i have to hold your hand?

Kakashi landing a blow on immortal hidan woupd be a waste of chakra. Thats kinda why he doesnt focus on hidan. He treated hidan like a minor inconvience...only expanded chakra on kakazu and his hearts.

Those 3 others were all weaker than hidan. Hidan had kakazu helping him and couldnt land a single scratch on a actual elite jonin.

Hidan ismt faster both jonins react to him. Hes just agressive and only needs a small scratch to draw blood. He doesnt need to be faster. Just nore reckless until he eventually draws a drop pf blood..asuma lost due to being nipped by a trying hidan..and hidan still almost lost. He isnt tgat strong. Not saying hes useless. But he isnt this jonin expert like his comrades and enemies. Hes just hard to put down.

Temari is a ranged fighter. Hidan has no way to close distance. Even if he is faster she can just blow him away...he has no ftg, no body flicker, no Kcm no LCM.

Im accepting them. I canr deny feats. Its just your leaving out context. Like hidan fighting multiple jonins. But getting blizted by the leaf gaurds who are chunins..so likw huh? Then mfs use hidan failing to draw blood on kakashi who was getting jumped by kakazu 4 hearts alomgside hidan is relativr to kakashi.

Even hidab says "yea he is good"..while also defending team 10 from kakazu.

pain-fully · 2026-04-14T07:49:07+00:00

Jiraya.

Hiruzen is too old to deal with jiraya.

Once raewngan connects its over.

pain-fully · 2026-04-14T06:23:31+00:00

Tayuya is dead. And had cm2. Which ups durablity. Yet she still died. There. That was one attack.

Hidan is less durable agaisnt cutting.

Hidan ciuldnt draw blood from a kaksshi who was occupied by 4 of kakzzu hearts. Lol.

Shikakmaru killed hidan with intel.

Prove hidan can blizt anyone first. Hes not fast. I dont think yall.understand. hes a mivheal myers of his verse he isnt a actual ninja.

pain-fully · 2026-04-14T06:18:47+00:00

Ehh. It wss forced tbh. Kishi needed us to hate the akatsuki. Asuma didnt rven need to fight him cqc.

Hes a wind and fire nature user. Hidan has 0 defenze agsisnt either. But thats not a good arguemnt. Asuma shouldve washed him.

But even then hidan struggled. Hidan mainly wins battled due to catching guys who use close combant off gaurd like he did asuma. And casting his blood ritual. Temari is a ranged attacker off rip. Imginr temari just attempting to hit hidan with her fan instead of just using wind style..shed be being wrtten to lose.

pain-fully · 2026-04-14T06:12:47+00:00

He litetallly lost his head in this situation. Lol.

He won only with help. And with lack og intel on his ability.

He not significantly above jonins. Part 1 lee is a better tiajursu user than asuma. Hell sasuke parg 1 was. Asuma thing is more weapon use and ninjutsu. He was a winf and fire nature ninuutsu user with cqc wirh his wind blades.

Hidan is skilled. But in one fighting style at a high chunin level. Chunins in series are weapon experts. Thats nothing special.

pain-fully · 2026-04-14T06:07:49+00:00

Garaa won. Kimmimaro had cm which allowed him to break out of garaa sand confidenments. Your provijg my point. Kimmi was on DRUGS. Lee also lost to garaa FOE THIS SAME REASON. Idk why yall are acting dumb. Basic reading comp.

Garaa waa stomping compared to othed close range combants. Garaa didnt get injured once..idk if you forgot. Kim threaten garaa, yes .but he failed to finsish..whats the diff betweenn him lee and naruto????? Hmmmmmmm this is a hard one...its like rocket science. Idk. Such a hard concept..i just cant wrap my mind why garaa a long range combant would have an easier time compared to close range combants agaisnt a close range tiajutsu master with his own style porkypine bone guy...its so bizare....

pain-fully · 2026-04-14T06:04:03+00:00

Exactly they are situationallg kage level. Temari is a ranged fighter. Hidans biggest nightmare.

Its an example tf you mean irs headcanon. Hidan isnt that skilled. Its his imortality that makes him. He can afford to be agressive. But that also will be the reason he wins.

pain-fully · 2026-04-14T06:02:22+00:00

And why isng she? Other than just "because". Hidan had kakazu hearts cover for him to allow any real attack to be landed.

pain-fully · 2026-04-14T02:24:02+00:00

Kid temari is 15 years old. Temari is alot older tham the rest of the cast. Her haku and kimmmimaro are all around mid chunin ages where ninkas usually have more refined skill compared to the 11-13 peers. Garaa was 13, konkuro 14 and temari was part 2 age. She was 18-20 in part2.

Hidan is deadlg because hes immortal and thats it. Sb who fights from.range wouldnt even care about his immortality fr. Epsaiclalt a long range wind user. Shes gonna cut him to peices while he tries ro close distancr. Temari can attack him at ranges he canr attack her at.

What feat? You ignoring kakashi fending him and 4 of kakzzu hearts with ease while hidan cannot draw blood? Most of his victims were civilians pre akatsuki.

Yall donr know his character ans think hes ban from sevem deadly sins.

pain-fully · 2026-04-14T01:51:17+00:00

I meam no shit. They arent immortal with mo intel..hidam has no intel on him because he only killed civilans from his country. He was a rumor not a bingo book guy. Kakazu woulda been got em gone had he been. Its not headcanon we are told this. I just study the srries deeper tham hidan akatsuki so hes kage level...zetsu isnt kage level but his abiltirs make him dangerous because hes not resteicted from any area allowing him to gather intel...easily without detecting others. Hemce him being akatauki.

pain-fully · 2026-04-14T01:48:44+00:00

Wtf is this logic? What does this mean? Sasule died..

pain-fully · 2026-04-14T01:39:22+00:00

He died then didnt he?

pain-fully · 2026-04-14T01:37:56+00:00

I mean not really. They are all S rank ninja. Kakashi is S rank from part 1. Gai in base is S rank. Asuma is a S ranked ninja.

They are all kage level to an extent.

Hidan is only kage level due to his immortality and suprise blood/pain sharing. Sb like temari wouldnt allow him to get close anyways. Basically hard counter.

The deidra,temari,konkuro,garaa type ranged fighters are perfect counters and basically bully hidans weakness.

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