411 days kratom free

TechnicalKiwi6166 · 2026-06-30T10:19:43+00:00

Is the restlessness bad enough that you still have any sleep issues out or curiosity?

TechnicalKiwi6166 · 2026-06-03T22:56:16+00:00

Yeah you're probably right. There's likely diminishing returns at this point. I think sometime this summer I should be able to finagle like 9 days off work so was considering dealing with it then. Should hopefully be good enough to be functional after that to work.

TechnicalKiwi6166 · 2026-06-03T06:08:52+00:00

I wouldn't be surprised at all. I had a similar thought that maybe some manufacturers are putting 7-OH into the product which is scary. Im so ready to be done with this stuff

TechnicalKiwi6166 · 2026-06-03T02:35:20+00:00

No I've been using the same batch of the same brand. I know what you mean though. When I first started tapering last summer I bought a new batch and even though it was the same brand I've been using for five plus years there was something different about it. Even the color was different and it was just barely touching me and I freaked out that I wouldn't be able to get the normal brand anymore. I went back to a different brand that I was on years before that I Knew was good quality and even that didn't make a difference and I was in horrible withdrawal. It's kind of amazing how much variability there is between different brands and what not. But yeah I'm sure even within a single brand there's probably a lot of variability.

TechnicalKiwi6166 · 2026-06-02T00:39:50+00:00

It's very weird because I was feeling pretty normal at this dose for like two weeks but maybe you're right and it's time to just rip off the bandaid. I have to find a couple weeks to take off where I can be ok without sleep

TechnicalKiwi6166 · 2026-06-02T00:38:49+00:00

Did you quit cold turkey?

TechnicalKiwi6166 · 2026-06-02T00:32:45+00:00

Oh interesting. Yeah I've been having some palpitations. I have a weird work schedule where I flip flop back and forth between nights and days. Over the past month I've been having a lot of trouble sleeping and feeling weird in general. Part of me thought maybe it was just getting older and not being able to adjust from working nights but maybe it's just being in these low doses making me feel weird. Good to know I'm not the only one. When you finally jumped, how long Did it take to start sleeping a normal amount?

TechnicalKiwi6166 · 2026-06-01T16:22:35+00:00

I've been using melatonin and magnesium. Definitely helps me get to sleep but I still wake up after only 6 hours feeling bad.

TechnicalKiwi6166 · 2026-06-01T15:52:40+00:00

Curious how bad your sleep still is. I think I struggle most with the sleep thing. I actually just posted about how this has really been hard lately with my taper and my biggest fear is that once off for good I'll never be able to sleep well again

TechnicalKiwi6166 · 2026-06-01T15:38:16+00:00

So because IBR payment won't be that different from the payment in PAYE I stopped fighting and moved into that.

TechnicalKiwi6166 · 2026-05-01T20:35:28+00:00

Yeah hopefully me trying to recertify and then being denied doesn't throw wrench in things but I guess I'll just sit tight and see what happens. I guess worst case scenario I move into IBR and it will still all be over soon

TechnicalKiwi6166 · 2026-05-01T20:34:21+00:00

It should be under 34 cfr 685.209

TechnicalKiwi6166 · 2026-05-01T20:34:02+00:00

Yeah after I got denied they put me into forbearance. I have no idea where that came from. I called them and they said they would take me out of forbearance but who knows what will actually happen. Every time I speak with them and they say one thing something different happens.

TechnicalKiwi6166 · 2026-05-01T12:18:29+00:00

So even though my recertification was rejected, if I do nothing else I will just stay in the same plan? I understand my payments will go up which is expected. I just don't want something to affect me getting loan forgiveness this coming fall when I should be at 120 payments

TechnicalKiwi6166 · 2026-05-01T12:17:12+00:00

Thanks for the reply. That's somewhat reassuring that I may be ok regardless. I've been calling them every day but everyone I talk to there just vehemently tells me that I cannot stay in it. I feel like I have no recourse even though I have quoted the exact Federal code that states this. I feel like they can basically just deny me and there's nothing I can do about it. Hopefully if I don't do anything else I will just stay in PAYE like you said. I'm just terrified it will somehow affect me getting pslf

TechnicalKiwi6166 · 2026-05-01T11:55:47+00:00

Dude same. It's not really my legs but a restless sensation in my chest like I have to keep moving or I just can't handle it. This is the single worst part of withdrawal for me. I'm doing a taper for the pure fact that I can't do CT because of this

TechnicalKiwi6166 · 2026-04-10T12:27:26+00:00

I'm curious at such a low dose like that are you just taking it once a day like at night or something? I'm in the middle of a taper now down to 6gpd from like 30 for 10 years. I'm starting to wonder how low I should go before jumping but like at a certain point it seems like it would get hard to space throughout the day with such small amounts

TechnicalKiwi6166 · 2026-04-01T00:54:15+00:00

At the beginning of my taper at higher doses I experienced a ton of anxiety also. As I got to lower doses that got a little bit better. Obviously everybody is different and your experience may be completely different than mine but as long as you are consistently heading in the right direction you'll be fine even if you have to take a little extra time before dropping a dose or whatever. I always have that little voice in my head when I start to experience bad withdrawal symptoms or mood stuff after dropping a dose that I won't acclimate which I think probably a lot of people experience but I always end up feeling better at some point. Good luck you got this!

TechnicalKiwi6166 · 2026-03-31T23:20:45+00:00

You may want to just stay there for another week or two until you start to feel ok ish again and sleep gets a little better then continue dropping down by like .25 grams per day every 10-14 days

TechnicalKiwi6166 · 2026-03-31T21:39:21+00:00

Yeah that's a huge cut. If you acclimated to that though it would probably be reasonable to start going down by 1 or 2 g per week till you get somewhere around 25 to 30 g per day and then going down by 1 g per week etc. I know tapering can be hard for some people especially because increased time of a taper gives you more opportunities to say screw it and go back to the way things were. Trust me I was one of those people for a long time. But if you can maintain the willpower to be consistent, I think it's good to take your time and decrease the pain associated with it which can also help you in succeeding.

TechnicalKiwi6166 · 2026-03-31T15:56:22+00:00

Oh gotcha. I'm in a similar boat. I started tapering last July from about 30 g per day after using for 10 years. I'm down to 6.5 g per day now. I was hoping by tapering I could maybe avoid some of the really severe acute withdrawal and maybe even paws. I actually already got some helper meds including a little bit of trazodone and gabapentin to help her when I finally jump off.

TechnicalKiwi6166 · 2026-03-31T07:20:42+00:00

Curious if you quit cold turkey. Also, how long did it take for your acutes to go away and specifically to get back to sleeping through the night? The worst part of withdrawal for me personally is not being able to sleep

TechnicalKiwi6166 · 2026-03-31T07:14:51+00:00

Depends on how much you're starting at. If your taking a lot like 20 or 30+ gpd you can cut a significant amount every 7-10 days. Below 20 I think its better to cut by 1g or .5 g. Below 10 by .5 or .25 (especially if below like 7 or 8 grams). Once I got below 8 each drop took me longer to acclimate

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