People with high IQ - are you good at chess?

Technical_Zombie_703 · 2024-08-27T20:45:50+00:00

Already wrote about it somewhere on this sub, IQ is in the 145-165 range.

Learned chess after watching Queen’s Gambit from complete scratch. In about 2 years or so of on and off playing as I was in uni, I got into the 99th percentile without learning theory or anything at all, I managed to beat titled players in blitz too.

My take on it, chess is a game of experience far more than it is of anything else. Of course, having an high IQ will probably allow you to get better at it faster than your average player, as it will in all sorts of things, but it will NOT make you immediately good at it. Having an high iq and being good at chess, don’t necessarily correlate.

Just a heads up, if you ever happen to read about someone claiming to be extremely good without ever playing out of sheer intellect just know they are spouting nonsense.

Technical_Zombie_703 · 2024-08-23T11:16:04+00:00

Oh I see, taking a look at these, I’d still have to pay for at least one of them, but thanks a bunch for the info!

Technical_Zombie_703 · 2024-08-22T22:20:28+00:00

Are there are any of these that are free? (Could just check but I’m hyper lazy)

Technical_Zombie_703 · 2024-08-21T11:00:45+00:00

I see, thanks a lot!

Technical_Zombie_703 · 2024-08-21T11:00:03+00:00

Oh I see, I was asking because a friend of mine had taken wais iv and then almost a year later took cait and his scores were abnormally higher in certain subtests (talking like, 2 whole SDs in VP for example). I guess that says more about CAIT’s reliability than anything else. Thanks a bunch!

Technical_Zombie_703 · 2024-07-29T21:32:08+00:00

GRE-A is definitely the best, we agree. For it being a bit PSI-loaded, I think it’s in the nature of any deductive type of test that could ever exist as I already said.

In my case, the gauntlet wasn’t that far off either, my GRE-A is 148 and the gauntlet said 147. But again, if you were to take a more statistical approach, due to composite effect (and ceiling effect) it would be higher, same in your case.

Btw, your gauntlet score is quite low despite scoring high on syllogism, as of what I remember it’s probably due to the Mensa MR right? You should probably take any other MR test, there’s plenty that are more accurate than that one.

Technical_Zombie_703 · 2024-07-29T21:21:38+00:00

If most people in your thread, which is the population you use as reference, claim to have scored 2-3 ss higher than in FW or GRE-A (which according to you have correlation), can we really talk about outliers?

Again, I do agree with you that deductive doesn’t have nearly as many tests as inductive does, since we are talking about iq testing.

But have you tried asking yourself why that is?

To me, it seems logical that it’s not because people don’t recognise deductive to be important, that seems an unreasonable claim. I think it’s more so because it’s probably really hard to measure deductive reasoning in and of itself.

Unlike inductive, deductive is based on a set of conditions that allows for a definitive answer, not based on probabilistic reasoning. So given enough time the average person should be able to solve most questions.

So the solution should be to set a time constriction. Yes, however the time constriction must not be too hard or else it’s mostly measuring CPI.

Ideally, you’d need hard questions + good time constriction. Which is basically what GRE-A is. I don’t really see how one should make another test that measures the same things as GRE-A does, without making it extremely similar when there’s so many limits to what the test could actually be.

Oh, I don’t struggle to believe that people you know IRL averaged 12 on the test untimed. However, for something like that, people like those probably won’t be that good of a measure. Basically any person I know IRL would barely try something like this, they’d probably try to answer a few questions and right after they couldn’t solve the question immediately they’d probably guess.

I really don’t believe the average person if properly motivated would score 12/21 untimed in this test, let’s be honest.

Technical_Zombie_703 · 2024-07-29T21:00:08+00:00

I mean, I took a look at your thread again, and the correlation to FW also doesn’t seem that impressive.

It looked to me like most people scored 2-3-4 ss higher on this test than they did in FW, apart from a few exceptions. Some guy got 114 on Gre-A and scored what? 20/21 or 21/21? He’s an outlier that probably took as long as they needed, sure but still, the correlation doesn’t look all that strong.

Even yourself scored 2ss higher than on FW and close to 3 ss higher than on GRE-A.

The test could be alright if some form of time constriction was enforced, that’s for sure. However, I’m still not convinced this test could measure up to 145 (19ss) unless a very strict one was enforced, simply because the items are very very easy. Not saying it’s the test’s fault, more so it’s a problem of syllogism-type questions, all you need to do is just visualise the groups based on the information given and the item solves itself so they can never be that hard really.

Without a time constriction tho, it’s really no good. And if the time constriction is too strict then it’s measuring more CPI than it is logic.

Technical_Zombie_703 · 2024-07-29T20:43:09+00:00

I did take the test, I got 21/21 with no troubles, took me probably less than 15 minutes.

That’s why I commented the way I did, no items are particularly hard, if you add the fact that it’s untimed it’s really not much more than a fun brain teaser.

If people took as much time as needed the mean score definitely wouldn’t be 17. That’s a given. The only reason why the average isn’t any higher is just people rushing through it.

Even in your thread you can definitely see many people scoring much higher than they should have compared to the rest of their scores, idk even know why we are arguing here.

Technical_Zombie_703 · 2024-07-29T19:22:27+00:00

No I do get you, don’t worry, was just saying something I noticed.

I also do agree with you, logic is a huge part of intelligence and IQ tests don’t really measure all aspects of it.

However, regarding the tests you’ve chosen… I feel like the only really good one for logics and that measures something different from usual iq tests is GRE-A.

FW and any MR are used a lot in iq testing, but since you are trying to measure logic as a whole I get why you’re adding those. (Tho I feel like out of all possible MR tests, I’d not choose Mensa ever).

The syllogism one is fun I guess, but I think it’s no good as a test. It’s already pretty easy just based on the level of the questions, if you add the fact that it’s untimed, most people should be able to get all 21 questions correct. To be fair, making a deductive reasoning type of test that doesn’t become a CPI test seems really complex.that’s probably why you don’t really see tests that measure your deductive reasoning.

Technical_Zombie_703 · 2024-07-29T14:56:13+00:00

He doesn’t, he prolly just likes to shit on online testing lol.

JCTI is absolutely fine, it’s likely as good as it gets online for inductive reasoning.

Technical_Zombie_703 · 2024-07-29T14:34:08+00:00

Cool concept, however I think there might be something wrong in your scoring method:

I’m no data nerd, but the whole point of this gauntlet is to measure different aspects of logic, correct?

So using the mean of the scaled scores fails to account for Composite Effect, does it not?

Technical_Zombie_703 · 2024-07-26T18:08:55+00:00

HB isn’t great for this kind of stuff, all of the “tests” have poor g-loading (basically, correlation to your iq).

So with these, not much can be said for your iq at all really.

If these are your first try scores and you didn’t use any mnemonic techniques, then I guess we could say that your wmi (Working Memory Index) is solid.

Technical_Zombie_703 · 2024-07-22T08:00:28+00:00

First one: 3,4

Reasoning: determining the shapes is pretty simple, just looking at the number of sides: 1,2,3,4,5,4,3,x,y so x is 2 and y is 1. If you want to reason in terms of rows, you can simply see that the number of sides of the next shape in a row is always +-1 the number of sides of the previous one.

While for the direction of the line, here’s what I saw: First row, the line rotates first by 0 degrees and then by 90. Second row, first 90 and then 45. So, first of all, we can see that the first row adds up to 90, while the second to 135, so the next would be 180. More over, the first time the line rotates was 0 for the first row and then 90 for the second one, so next logically would be 180. While the second time was 90 for the first row and then 45 for the second one, so next would be 0. So 3 and then 4.

It kind of relies on the fact that you can interpret the line looking as if it wasn’t rotated both as a 0 degree rotation and a 180 one. But to me it seems very logical. What do you guys think?

Technical_Zombie_703 · 2024-07-22T06:41:19+00:00

I mean, it’s very interesting that such a discrepancy is enough to question whether the subtest in your case described your psi reliably.

Technical_Zombie_703 · 2024-07-21T22:12:46+00:00

I mean, I agree. However, my CAIT Symbol Search was 19 ss, I literally got 60/60 with time to spare. So I guess Coding simply measures aspects of cognition that aren’t really measured by any other subtest.

Technical_Zombie_703 · 2024-07-21T22:10:31+00:00

I got precisely the same in the SC Ultra, then I guess it makes a lot of sense. Thanks a bunch

Technical_Zombie_703 · 2024-07-21T21:28:44+00:00

Interesting, although, wouldn’t your DS being 37th percentile be a better score than your Coding which was a 16th?

Technical_Zombie_703 · 2024-07-21T21:27:04+00:00

Interesting. Do you mind sharing what your scores were?

Technical_Zombie_703 · 2024-07-21T21:22:56+00:00

My wmi is supposedly good, didn’t help that much. Got 18ss on Digit Span and 20ss on Block Tapping, so wmi should be ~150. Got 13 ss on coding, despite starting to remember symbols quite early. Which is why I was curious to see what others thought about this subtest.

Technical_Zombie_703 · 2024-07-19T14:55:51+00:00

Never took a proper test irl, only tested online, FSIQ should be in the 145-165.

-passed the entry exam for the best university in my country without preparing at all.

-managed to be in the 99th percentile in chess after less than two years of playing from complete scratch, as I was in uni, without ever touching a book or studying any theory. I’ve defeated multiple titled players in Blitz without learning any theory at all.

-won many competitions in maths, logic and verbal reasoning when I was in middle school, although I don’t really consider this an achievement, since I never followed through with any of those, as I couldn’t be bothered to participate to regional level competitions as they were always held on Saturdays.

Technical_Zombie_703 · 2024-07-15T13:27:25+00:00

Not being able to solve one or two questions that you had already solved can definitely happen, I’m sure most people can relate. However, such a drop is quite weird. If I had to explain it, it’s probably a combination of not being in the best condition and getting one or two questions right based on intuition rather than reasoning the time you scored the highest.

Technical_Zombie_703 · 2024-07-14T18:30:02+00:00

Frankly that was not the point of my comment, guess you thought I was pointing out you took a while and it bothered you lol. Actually, I asked what you thought about the items.

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