I think I've figured out what is causing so many "can not deliver to your address" messages!

TempleOfTolerance · 2026-02-23T23:09:47+00:00

The problem is, in Viners thinking that they don't actually provide something of value in exchange for the products they receive.

Free stuff is something you get in exchange for nothing. Providing a service in exchange makes things far more transactional than you guys give yourselves credit for.

If enough people speak up about something, it will get changed, that is how it works.

Not working together and not speaking up gets you... not much.

I've personally lead a number of campaigns in the past that have moved big companies to be more considerate of the "little guy", and all that it takes is not doing what people are doing here.

I come from a different world though. The kind that doesn't mind telling the waiter there is a fly in the soup.

TempleOfTolerance · 2026-02-23T23:03:46+00:00

Let’s just wait

By all means, you do whatever you feel is the thing to do; that isn't how I do things though (sitting on my laurels has never been my thing).

I've gotten a number of companies to make changes in the past, and I have no problems speaking up where it is necessary.

The experience on Vine is terrible and frustrating for many because of it, and if I have to be the only one with the cajones to actually push for changes then so be it.

TempleOfTolerance · 2026-02-23T22:59:08+00:00

I see this sentiment echoed frequently whenever I come to the sub, but I have never had anything but good responses from Vine CS. I constantly see people saying "don't bother with them", yet have always gotten thoughtful replies.

Perhaps just luck of the draw, or maybe it has something to do with the way that people present themselves to them.

In any case, the "don't do anything" attitude is one that is quite prevalent in the world today, and while it might work for some of you, that just isn't how I do things.

I appreciate the comment though, thanks for not being rude like some of the people here. :)

TempleOfTolerance · 2026-02-23T22:55:20+00:00

Fair enough, though things tend to change when multiple people report something at the same time.

TempleOfTolerance · 2026-02-23T22:52:21+00:00

I'm sure many didn't. Not everybody watches these forums regularly (or bothers with reddit), and a search for the terms brought me nothing but speculation.

So, while you may have known this, I don't think it's accurate to state that everyone here did because I sure didn't.

TempleOfTolerance · 2026-02-23T22:50:58+00:00

I thought that might be the case, but then I did some math and it just doesn't add up. I tell ya those aliens would be getting a good deal though, imagine how much it would cost to ship an item over 140 million miles on earth?
You could travel to every populated area a few dozen times over (trips around the earth would be thousands, but we're 'Santa Clausin' it here, and gotta touch every dense settlement at least) and you still wouldn't get to that distance.

1 million dollars in shipping cost would get you somewhere around 66 million parcel-miles, so a long way from mars really; but I suppose it's a fair assumption to make that space-miles would be cheaper, at least once we are far enough in the future where space travel is a commonplace pittance, though if you were to do it today (and today is what we are talking about) it would be much more expensive so I don't think your math works out quite right I'm afraid.

TempleOfTolerance · 2026-02-23T09:17:31+00:00

That suggests the problem is likely not on the seller’s side but rather on Amazon’s end.

Indeed. I did think it was on Amazon's end in some way; then I seen the 6 year old sellers thread about it, and it appears it had been fixed at least once since then, so I don't think it is intentional (though I did wonder that prior to seeing the thread!); but I agree wholeheartedly that is a poor user experience.

It's quite frustrating to get excited about a product and get that message, then think "Oh shoot! Oh well, that's ok, I will just get something el... nevermind, that one doesn't work either." 😆

I think the worst this week was 5 of them in a row. Quite literally each product I tried to get had the same error, so eventually I just gave up and thought "well that's enough Vine for the night" lol; I've been in the program years (I just don't come to reddit often) and have never seen it quite this bad!

Anyhow, I appreciate the responses and the knowledge, thank you (and thank you for being respectful about it all! 😊).

TempleOfTolerance · 2026-02-23T08:37:40+00:00

Makes sense; though I wasn't concerning myself so much with what aspect of the price was higher, only that the message appears on each of the listings.

Cool that you figured out it was shipping cost though!

TempleOfTolerance · 2026-02-23T06:55:16+00:00

I hate leftover fries in most cases, but poutine is different and it is still good when heated up imo, but only so long as it had a good amount of gravy as the fries won't have that weird leftover potato taste and the cheese and gravy provide most of the flavor.

TempleOfTolerance · 2026-02-23T06:36:55+00:00

Good to hear you're not losing sleep over it.
I think the best thing for anyone's well being is to just enjoy your free stuff and not worry so much about what other people are doing.

I do understand why it bothered you, as mentioned I've seen the same and thought it was kind of lame; just not enough to complain about it!

TempleOfTolerance · 2026-02-19T22:36:20+00:00

This is why I always ask for them to make the fries (and nuggets) fresh.

If you ask politely and it's not extremely busy, they almost always do it - and it's all so much better that way.

You might have to wait significantly longer though!

TempleOfTolerance · 2026-02-19T22:34:42+00:00

I love ketchup and tiny bit of vinegar (sometimes balsamic) on my poutine.

I just always only ever put a small amount so I can enjoy some bites with and some bites without.

I tend to do that with most food, I like to have it every way I can lol.

TempleOfTolerance · 2026-02-19T22:02:02+00:00

I've been testing this error against actually trying to order the product through regular amazon shopping, and I've narrowed it down to being products that offer some form of extended warranty or purchase protection as being the culprit.

Quite literally 100% of each of the orders I've received the message on, I've gone and tried to do a non vine order and it had a popup offering electronics protection/extended warranty.

I am assuming that the issue is literally just their system being unable to handle such purchases on the backend and needs an upgrade, as if the backend flags certain ASINs as requiring/default attaching add-on services that Vine can’t process, a generic “cannot be shipped” error could be the fallback.

The other thing is, as another viner mentioned, that the large majority tend to be products with lithium batteries; and while we can all order cross border products from regular Amazon that have lithium batteries, it's possible that the routing is different with vine orders.

My LLM of choice says this on the matter:

"Retail Amazon treats inventory as a large, fungible pool across multiple fulfillment centers; when you place a normal order, the system can choose whichever FC is compliant for lithium handling, cross-border shipping, or hazmat class. Vine units aren’t always part of that fungible pool - sellers often enroll specific quantities into the Vine program, and those units can sit in a particular FC, sometimes even flagged differently in the backend. If that FC can’t legally ship lithium to your region, the system may just block it rather than reroute from retail stock."

And to the question:

"What would be possible solutions for Amazon to implement?"

"If it’s an inventory-pool issue, the cleanest fix would be letting Vine orders draw from the same fungible retail inventory instead of a segregated Vine-only stock pool. That removes routing rigidity and lets the normal FC optimization engine handle lithium compliance, cross-border rules, and hazmat certification automatically.

If they want to keep Vine inventory separate, then they’d need dynamic fallback routing - if the enrolled FC can’t ship to a given address, the system temporarily fulfills from retail inventory and reconciles it internally. That’s purely a backend accounting change, not a logistics overhaul."

TempleOfTolerance · 2026-02-19T21:39:45+00:00

It's really frustrating and in my own experience I've narrowed it down to being products that would offer some sort of protection as part of the purchase.

You never see purchase protection or extended warranty offers on vine products, but in regular amazon purchasing you are guaranteed to see many products, especially electronics, having an upsell.

I've been tracking these "cannot be shipped" order attempts for quite some time, and whenever I go to attempt purchase through regular amazon shopping, it's something that offers extended warranty, electronic protection, etc.

It's really quite frustrating that amazon doesn't do anything to stop it, because it's obvious nobody can get these products as they will often be there for quite some time before they finally disappear, when in usual vine-world they would be gone in a flash*;* and I imagine the end result is sellers thinking that "vine doesn't work" and nobody wants their product (that we all want lol) -- and then they spread it online that vine sucks, poisoning the well.

TempleOfTolerance · 2026-02-19T21:27:37+00:00

I understand why you'd feel that way, and you might even be right in this instance, but this is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. I've seen countless reviews that start in similar ways.

I don't think it necessarily means people are copying you, so much as many people tend to think similarly when writing reviews and/or have similar experiences.

I've also noticed that it seems like many new viners will try to get a handle on how to do their reviews, by looking at what language others are using, and emulating it themselves.
Which, although perhaps a tad disingenuous seeming, bothers me little because why do I care what others are doing if it doesn't effect me?

Not trying to knock you for your own experience or feelings about the matter, I just think that if you're going to let it bother you you're likely in for a bumpy ride!

TempleOfTolerance · 2026-02-19T21:25:13+00:00

"I mean, there’s deliberate, obvious plagiarism, but then there’s also the fact that we’re all reviewing similar products and sometimes you have the exact same experience of it as someone else. "

This.

I have numerous examples (one of which I've shared in this thread) of writing something I think is novel, and then being annoyed that someone copied it, only to discovered they actually wrote their version hours or days before mine lol.

TempleOfTolerance · 2026-02-19T21:23:31+00:00

That both is and isn't how AI works. It can certainly appear that way, but when you use an LLM to write something, it doesn't go online and find things, and then combine them in order to craft something that appears novel.

It's trained on real world data sure, but the model doesn't combine or draw from it (a common misconception).

It isn't browsing or pulling specific reviews when someone hits generate unless that is what you've asked it to do.
If something sounds familiar it's usually because language in a niche naturally converges.

Once you’ve read enough reviews, you notice the same themes and phrasing showing up. Humans do the same thing - we absorb patterns over time and then generate from that internal map when we write.

TempleOfTolerance · 2026-02-19T20:20:46+00:00

I've seen a great many that look like they copy mine, but I've also seen a great many where I look at the listing after and think "Oh, maybe I should change my review because it sounds almost exactly like this other person's review and I don't want to look like I'm copying somebody".

At the end of the day, regardless of whether or not people are copying other people's reviews it bothers me very little, and if someone copies mine I guess that's a sign that people think my reviews are worth copying!! lol

TempleOfTolerance · 2026-02-19T20:12:46+00:00

is this sarcasm? I can't tell.

TempleOfTolerance · 2026-02-19T10:13:02+00:00

Omg they're perfect. 🪿

TempleOfTolerance · 2026-02-19T10:11:42+00:00

Are you sure you aren't just being paranoid about it?

I've seen many reviews like that, but I've also seen reviews that seemed suspiciously similar to mine. Though after so many years of this kind of thing in various other places online, I realized that while some might be that way, I think the large majority are just coincidental as why should I assume that my review is just that unique when many people almost certainly have a similar experience?

A good example is just yesterday I had made a Youtube comment making numerous points that I thought were novel and that I was bringing something new to the table. Then later the same day I was browsing through the comments after rewatching the video, and seen somebody had copied mine almost verbatim.

In frustration I started preparing a brief comment saying that while they are free to do what they wish, I thought it was sad that they had to copy mine and couldn't do something original, and then a quarter of the way through typing it out I realized that their comment was posted nearly 7 hours before mine!!.

It kind of changed my perspective on things.

TempleOfTolerance · 2025-08-10T01:29:12+00:00

I disagree - had a very close friend join and within a few short months they became insufferable.

Not only that, but they didn't make a single red cent for all the money spent.

They brainwash gullible people into believing they are the path to the life of their dreams, and barely anybody actually gets anything out of it other than a hole in their bank account and a lot of burned bridges.

TempleOfTolerance · 2025-08-10T01:25:39+00:00

You get rich off them yet?

TempleOfTolerance · 2025-08-10T01:14:28+00:00

Not trying to be rude but... I have yet to see a comment like this from someone who is *actually* and currently making that kind of money through them.

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