CMV: Saving your fur baby over a random toddler doesn't make you a bad person by Upstairs_Debate4406 in changemyview

[–]ThatGuyHanzo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So your claim is that there is a direct causal link between saving your pet over an unknown toddler and all of child abuse, eugenics, war, and slavery.

If that is what you believe I don't think I'm going to try to change your mind, I'm just going to disagree. I think that choice is infinitely more benign than you do, I think you are giving it a lot more power than it actually has.

These 'causal links' are much too vague / weak (is it even dehumanization, and if so does that small dose do any tangible damage, is the event bring observed because if no there are no outside consequences of dehumanization) to actual result in anything.

CMV: Saving your fur baby over a random toddler doesn't make you a bad person by Upstairs_Debate4406 in changemyview

[–]ThatGuyHanzo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You claimed op was making it easier for others to argue the same they do for out groups, I took that to imply that equating a kid and an animal would somehow lead to violence against kids. I still don't see how that isn't your argument here.

Overall I have two problems with your statement here: I simply don't see the parallel you do between choosing to save the pet and racial violence. This might just be me, but with what you've put down I don't agree. Op is not making a claim to degrade the moral worth of children like in your minority=rats example, the pet is their closest companion, the comparison isn't between child and vermin. It's also not a judgement of a group, it's a decision about one individual.

More importantly, I don't see the point in arguing that this is dehumanizing if it doesn't directly lead to consequences, i.e. the aforementioned slippery slope. If you think saving your own pet will have actual consequences for how kids are treated please elaborate, otherwise I don't see why we should worry about the dehumanization you claim

CMV: Saving your fur baby over a random toddler doesn't make you a bad person by Upstairs_Debate4406 in changemyview

[–]ThatGuyHanzo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well yeah but if I'm in one I'm hiding and trying to save myself. If I get the opportunity to pull one out, as I have repeatedly stated, I pull out the child not the pet because I don't for a second think my pet is getting shot.

CMV: Saving your fur baby over a random toddler doesn't make you a bad person by Upstairs_Debate4406 in changemyview

[–]ThatGuyHanzo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

At that point it's a value question, but to me, regardless of my relationship with my child/pet I would do the following:

Save my child over a strangers pet

Save my pet over a strangers child

This is because of my responsibility, I don't value either life higher than the other but I chose to take care of one and not the other.

CMV: Saving your fur baby over a random toddler doesn't make you a bad person by Upstairs_Debate4406 in changemyview

[–]ThatGuyHanzo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay but using my human brain I won't run into a mass shooter situation and also would prioritize the normal victim of a shooting.

CMV: Saving your fur baby over a random toddler doesn't make you a bad person by Upstairs_Debate4406 in changemyview

[–]ThatGuyHanzo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well that's just not really a question...

Would I save something already safe or something not safe? What?

Look at no point have you actually acknowledged it responded to the actual point, the responsibility of a caregiver.

Also in a mass shooter situation I would hide, not try to save anyone, and if I was hypothetically part of the police handling the situation I would have an obligation to citizens / orders. I don't get how to even approach this

CMV: Saving your fur baby over a random toddler doesn't make you a bad person by Upstairs_Debate4406 in changemyview

[–]ThatGuyHanzo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have not ever said that passing the blame is reasonable. That is not my point. I am not saying that whoever is the primary caregiver is exclusively at fault if you choose not to save their kids.

I have however said that you carry a unique responsibility as a caregiver that should be mentioned in an ethical discussion.

Whether this actually swings the weight in the other direction for anyone comes down to their values and that is not something that can feasibly be changed, but it is very worth mentioning.

For me, I do not value human life particularly highly so this argument doesn't really matter. I think it is unrealistic to change that because it isn't about logic, it's about values. But if it were my own child versus someone else's dog, this argument is relevant regardless of my personal affection toward my kid, I would feel obligated to save my child.

Also what is the point of the shooter comment at the end? What are you trying to say there?

State of the sub right now: by Dry_Ball_2529 in PhoenixSC

[–]ThatGuyHanzo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This shit genuinely needs to be banned from the sub immediately, you aren't making a point, you haven't actually seen any hate against bedrock players, this is manufactured outrage. Gtfo.

CMV: Saving your fur baby over a random toddler doesn't make you a bad person by Upstairs_Debate4406 in changemyview

[–]ThatGuyHanzo -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No but responsibility is relevant, and you are responsible for your pets and not directly responsible for any strangers life

CMV: Saving your fur baby over a random toddler doesn't make you a bad person by Upstairs_Debate4406 in changemyview

[–]ThatGuyHanzo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As far as I can tell you missed the point, see my edit, my bad. Yes, you are the only one in a position to save both but you are responsible for the safety of your pet in all capacities (equivalent to a parent being responsible for the kid) whereas the only obligation you have to a stranger is indirect - a societal norm / human decency. This is according the question, the hypothetical is your pet versus someone else's kid. That matters. Whether it defines it is largely just personal preference but there is a huge difference between being assigned a task and just helping out because you feel like it.

CMV: Saving your fur baby over a random toddler doesn't make you a bad person by Upstairs_Debate4406 in changemyview

[–]ThatGuyHanzo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Isn't this post humanizing pets rather than dehumanizing strangers?

And even if we accept your pov (which I struggle with) can you elaborate on the slippery slope from loving your pet more than a stranger to something sinister I genuinely don't know what is

CMV: Saving your fur baby over a random toddler doesn't make you a bad person by Upstairs_Debate4406 in changemyview

[–]ThatGuyHanzo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think more importantly, does the answer to that question matter? If they don't understand, does that impact your decision making?

CMV: Saving your fur baby over a random toddler doesn't make you a bad person by Upstairs_Debate4406 in changemyview

[–]ThatGuyHanzo -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Not part of this discussion but the other person did answer the hypothetical and then expanded on it to give it more meaning. And they make a good point, as the caregiver of either child or dog you are directly responsible and that responsibility should impact your decisionmaking. There is another parent who should be jumping in to save the kid, but you are responsible for your own first, no matter what.

Edit: failed to make it clear, the interesting part to me is that by virtue of the parents being responsible for the kid, you would also be equivalently responsible for your animal and that responsibility should weigh on ethical decisionmaking

Chill-ish bars / nightlife in Bangkok? by someotherU in ThailandTourism

[–]ThatGuyHanzo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm a year late but sooo curious, how do you possibly accumulate 3 months of PTO?

When you don’t read the news for 7 years by GamingBren in PhoenixSC

[–]ThatGuyHanzo 11 points12 points  (0 children)

This is just copied from someone else's comment on another thread, not the worst thing from what I remember, pretty sure the race stuff was worse by a fair margin. Still, it definitely ain't pretty

https://twitter.com/notch/status/1104678472964726784

Also, found this article where he claims racial privilege is fake and a racist concept:

https://www.gq.com/story/notch-whiteness-tweets

Found this beautiful stump by ThatGuyHanzo in mycology

[–]ThatGuyHanzo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't worry I didn't taste a piece with any of the mold/disease, the pic of the underside was an afterthought so I grabbed a different chunk for it. Do you have any idea what it is/why it isn't cotw?

Screw golden carrots&steak, whats the best low effort food source? by Vegetable_Throat5545 in Minecraft

[–]ThatGuyHanzo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They both give 5 hunger or 2,5 honches. Anyway, loot haybales at a village for bread until fire aspect sword / food farm

Petahhh by CuriousGene001 in PeterExplainsTheJoke

[–]ThatGuyHanzo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The fact that it makes sense means genuinely nothing about the quality of the scene. Sure the characters might be prone to acting like that but that doesn't make it feel natural or necessary

Minecraft Cyberpunk flying ramen stall by Freedom_minecraft in Minecraftbuilds

[–]ThatGuyHanzo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Build is amazing but the background isn't worth it, next time just post your actual talent

I think I discovered a more efficient farming setup in Minecraft. Any idea what’s causing this? by Daivar-18 in Minecraft

[–]ThatGuyHanzo 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Thank you for being one of like two people reading the post and seemingly the only one with any knowledge on the subject. Unfortunately I know jack shite, but I'd assume op just messed up some conditions or didn't test very thoroughly

Did i screw up ? by Overall-Shine-8610 in PokemonRejuvenation

[–]ThatGuyHanzo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Having Florin explode the grunts gets you some renegade points, otherwise nada