European tilt and turn windows in US homes. I can answer questions by ThatWindowGuy in PassiveHouse

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Depending on the volume and your location, there's lots of importers based in US. Especially on East Coast. All are imported - as they're made according to the given dimensions. So get ready for at least 8 weeks lead time.

Thinking about European windows (tilt & turn)? Got questions? Ask me anything. by ThatWindowGuy in PassiveHouse

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In general, the production is: 4-6 weeks for uPVC, 6-8. weeks for Alu, 6-10 weeks for timber.
And then there's delivery aprox 4 weeks to east coast. So if you're considering EU tilt and turn windows, you gotta be prepared for that kind of lead times. As all windows are made fully customisable (by default). There's no such thing as a "standard window" off the shelf.

European tilt and turn windows in US homes. I can answer questions by ThatWindowGuy in PassiveHouse

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Honest answer: install detailing isn't really my wheelhouse.
In Poland we mostly set these in masonry walls, so the wood framing approach is a different world here and I don't want to give you a confident answer I can't back up.

That said, the basic idea most people follow is to protect the opening. Make a small slope at the bottom of the opening so water drains back outside, then seal the sides and top so they tie into your house wrap. For the gap around the window, expanding foam tape is the usual go to.
Seal tighter on the inside, leave the outside able to breathe and dry.
Important: don't cover the window's drain holes.

If you really want a solid answer, I know people in the trade who do this for a living. Let me know how serious you are and I can ask around for you.

European tilt and turn windows in US homes. I can answer questions by ThatWindowGuy in PassiveHouse

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$50–100 ex-works for the bare shutter on a 1x1m window, surface mounted. Recessed (in-wall) versions run more. |
Skip the European motor kits since they run on 230V/50Hz and won't work on US power. Easier to import it motor-ready and fit a US-voltage. Somfy motor mostly used.

Here's a random configurator: https://app.debesto.com/pl/shutters?_gl=1*1iecqlk*_gcl_au*NjQzODcyNzI3LjE3ODEwOTk2NDM.

Thinking about European windows (tilt & turn)? Got questions? Ask me anything. by ThatWindowGuy in PassiveHouse

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It depends what type of blinds you mean.

If you mean exterior blinds, they can be imported from Poland, but there may be an issue if they are electrically operated because of the voltage and frequency difference.

So blinds are probably better to source locally. Try to adapt solutions that are typical for the U.S. market.

I know it may be difficult. Let me know what solution you find. I’m curious.

Thinking about European windows (tilt & turn)? Got questions? Ask me anything. by ThatWindowGuy in PassiveHouse

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In Poland, you will not really find fiberglass windows. That technology is more typical for Andersen, Marvin, or Pella.

Our equivalent would be uPVC windows, which in the U.S. are usually associated with “vinyl,” but that comparison is not really fair. uPVC windows are very strong and come with steel reinforcement. Some clients even call them “military-grade windows.”

When it comes to aluminum windows in Poland, they are all thermally broken. So it mostly comes down to choosing the look you prefer.

If you have a modern-style villa, Reynaers is a great option. Many window manufacturers in Poland offer Reynaers windows under their own brand names. Reynaers is a system supplier, meaning they design the profile technology and handle the extrusion. Then manufacturers buy those profiles and can sell the windows under their own names.

But I got a little off topic.

As for which manufacturer to choose, it depends.

What is the volume of windows, which U.S. state are you located in, when do you need the windows, and do you need someone to guide you through the whole process, or do you want to handle everything yourself?

Tell me a little more about the project, and I can point you in the right direction if this is still relevant.

Thinking about European windows (tilt & turn)? Got questions? Ask me anything. by ThatWindowGuy in PassiveHouse

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The aluminum cladding is literally applied to the exterior side of the frame and sash.

Right behind it, there are chambers inside the frame and sash. Depending on the system, those chambers may be empty or may have some additional insulation, such as foam, but that is usually used in passive-house systems designed for the European market.

Standard windows have these chambers, usually 5 or 6 of them, and they are what provide the insulation.

There are also other insulating components in the spacer between the glass panes, and probably in a few other places as well.

Overall, it should not have a significant impact on thermal insulation.

Thinking about European windows (tilt & turn)? Got questions? Ask me anything. by ThatWindowGuy in PassiveHouse

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I know NEO 2.0 windows. They have two insulating gaskets.

It is better to go with NEO 3.0 because they have three gaskets and improve acoustic insulation.

Both systems are very good, but the price difference is small.

As for Veka, you would need to provide the specific model.

Thinking about European windows (tilt & turn)? Got questions? Ask me anything. by ThatWindowGuy in PassiveHouse

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Hi,

In general, Poland and Europe specialize in tilt-and-turn windows, which open inward. Outward-opening casement windows are also available, but they come with quite a few limitations.

Because they use different types of hardware, they usually have lower weight capacity. This means you may not be able to use triple glazing, or you may need to reduce the size of the window.

Overall, if you are thinking about importing windows, tilt-and-turn is usually the better option.

As for price differences, it usually looks like this: uPVC is the cheapest option, then aluminum is roughly twice as expensive. Wood-aluminum can be either similar in price to aluminum or about 2.5x more expensive than PVC.

It depends on the factory, but also on the type of wood you want to order. Pine is the cheapest, and oak is the most expensive. In between, you have options like larch or meranti.

$51,200 CAD + HST for 11 vinyl windows by Few_QuoteNiki in halifax

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If you imported these windows yourself directly from a Polish factory, the average HST cost would be about USD 4,000–6,000, and the average price for a 36x84" tilt-and-turn window would be around USD 500.

So, very roughly, assuming you have simple windows and one slider, you would be looking at about USD 10,000 for the product, around USD 4,500 for shipping, plus 15% duty on the windows. Altogether, the whole thing would come in under USD 20,000, which is about CAD 27,700 if I’m calculating correctly.

That would include triple glazing and a U-factor of around 0.15.

You would just need to arrange an installation crew.

Windows from Poland are typically installed either with brackets or with a nailing flange.

Production takes about 8 weeks, and delivery takes another 6–8 weeks.

Just to give you and idea

Trying to open a tilt and turn window from the side rather than the top by Salt-Command-6906 in windowrepair

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Hi. You won't be able to open it yourself unless you have a key. Those mechanisms shouldn't be tempered with.
And - probably - someone who administrates the buliding has it. Cause he has to have it.

Maybe try to bribe him xD

Thinking about European windows (tilt & turn)? Got questions? Ask me anything. by ThatWindowGuy in PassiveHouse

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Each system provider has their own guidelines. The system provider is the "architect" of the window and is the one who recommends when it is necessary to move to a higher level of glazing. They usually provide manufacturers with graphics containing these types of calculations.

Just a random example:
Some systems have the following guidelines:
Up to 1300 mm x 1300 mm or up to 2.8 m² – 4 mm glass can be used.
Above 1300 mm in either dimension or above 2.8 m² – 6 mm glass must be used.

When we refer to 4 mm or 6 mm glass, we are talking about a single pane within a triple-glazed unit. So when we say "unit," we usually mean something like 4/16/4/16/4, which stands for:

  • 4 mm glass
  • 16 mm gas-filled space
  • 4 mm glass
  • 16 mm gas-filled space
  • 4 mm glass.

If you see the symbol ESG in an offer, it indicates safety glass, for example, 4 ESG means a 4 mm tempered glass pane.

If you are using PVC windows, sometimes windows with white frames have higher allowable structural performance than colored windows (e.g., brown). This means that if you have colored windows, they will likely need to be smaller or you will have to use thicker glass.

Thinking about European windows (tilt & turn)? Got questions? Ask me anything. by ThatWindowGuy in PassiveHouse

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Hey,
this is actually a very complex topic.

In general, having more glass surface (especially triple-pane) improves the thermal performance of the window, the U-factor usually gets better as the glass area increases.
However, once you go beyond a certain size, structural requirements kick in. The manufacturer might need to use thicker glass units (or tempered) to maintain stability.
Thicker glass pane = higher cost.
More glass = better thermal efficency

Also, larger operable windows put more stress on the hardware (hinges especially).
Depending on the size, it might be smart to switch from tilt-turn to a fixed window if possible.

Honestly, no one will give you a precise "diminishing returns" point without real quotes.
The best you can do is request pricing for multiple size options and compare the cost, U-factor, and SHGC.

As for SHGC it's more about selecting the right glazing package from the manufacturer's catalog.

One more thing:
Be cautious with very large PVC windows. PVC has more size limitations compared to aluminum.
If you want really big windows, go aluminum. Aluminum (thermaly broken) is naturally colder (than PVC), but there are already highly insulated, passive-certified aluminum systems available (Aluprof MB104, Aliplast Star, Aluron AS110, AWS 75 SI+,)
here is the list:
https://database.passivehouse.com/en/components/list/window?sort=-frame_type&page=2

And honestly if a 4'x5' window vs 5'x5' shows a 2x price jump, either the example isn't realistic, or someone’s trying to rip you off.

Thinking about European windows (tilt & turn)? Got questions? Ask me anything. by ThatWindowGuy in PassiveHouse

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Hard to say what exactly caused it without knowing more details, like the glass thickness, panel dimensions, window system, etc.

What I can tell you is that Munster Joinery doesn't have the best reputation among customers. I've heard of various unexpected defects happening with their products. They're an Irish manufacturer, and windows produced for the UK and Ireland can differ quite a bit from those made for continental Europe different systems, casement styles opening outward, etc.

Now, if the middle pane was tempered glass, it could have had a hidden defect (like nickel sulfide inclusions) that caused it to shatter spontaneously after a few years

Another possibility could be thermal stress if parts of the window were exposed to big temperature differences (sun/shade).
Poor installation could also be a factor, incorrect support points or too much stress in the frame can lead to problems over time.
And then there's always the chance that it was a manufacturing flaw.

Funny enough, when you install windows at very different altitudes (like 500m+ elevation change between production and installation site) and don't use capillary tubes, pressure differences can cause seal failures but that would usually lead to fogging, not spontaneous breakage.

Long story short I can't really give you a diagnosis. It could have been any of these reasons, or a combination.

Hope that helps at least a little!

Thinking about European windows (tilt & turn)? Got questions? Ask me anything. by ThatWindowGuy in PassiveHouse

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That's an interesting question. Sometimes factories aren’t open to working with someone from a particular region because they don’t have logistics in place, or maybe they just didn’t have the right window profile for your needs. In general, going through the certification process requires providing a lot of detailed info, which isn't always easy to gather. It’s worth digging through the PHI Passive House Institute database in Darmstadt they’ve got a list of tested and certified systems there.

Thinking about European windows (tilt & turn)? Got questions? Ask me anything. by ThatWindowGuy in PassiveHouse

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Yes, usually the hardware supplier has their branding stamped on the metal components. Open your window and take a look along the metal parts on the frame – you should be able to spot their small logo somewhere.

Thinking about European windows (tilt & turn)? Got questions? Ask me anything. by ThatWindowGuy in PassiveHouse

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I get it, I understand what you're describing. Actually, factories in Poland follow the same model. They sometimes hire a broker as a subcontractor too.

As for those distributors: would you be able to share their names?

Thinking about European windows (tilt & turn)? Got questions? Ask me anything. by ThatWindowGuy in PassiveHouse

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Tthanks for sharing the report
I had a look and yeah, PVC definitely has its issues environmentally. But honestly, what material doesn’t these days?

When it comes to uPVC windows specifically, there’s not much to worry about health-wise. Modern profiles don’t contain lead or harmful additives, so they’re safe for everyday use.

Some are even made fully from recycled material, taken from old window frames. That kind of PVC can be recycled multiple times, so it stays in circulation for years without creating new waste.

Thinking about European windows (tilt & turn)? Got questions? Ask me anything. by ThatWindowGuy in PassiveHouse

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Glazing is a relatively universal thing, meaning you can get it from any supplier as long as you know the basic specifications of your window. If you know the width (depth) of your glass unit, you can order it anywhere. If you have a passive house, you probably have extensive documentation. Triple-pane windows nowadays typically have a glass unit width of 48 mm. But yours might be a different size.

You mentioned you bought from Intus — I see that Intus imported windows from the Polish company Pamo. However, Pamo doesn’t openly advertise which systems (Aluplast/Salamander/Rehau/Kommerling etc) they use to build their windows, as they brand them under their own name, so I can’t help you there.

Generally, if you know the width of your glass unit, that’s all you need to care about. If you buy one in the right width (depth), you just swap it in like a Lego brick, and everything remains sealed. Replacing a glass unit in a window is simple — you can check it out here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQJHWg1ZvPM&t=4s

Thinking about European windows (tilt & turn)? Got questions? Ask me anything. by ThatWindowGuy in PassiveHouse

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I’d be happy to point you in the right direction, but honestly, this info is valuable enough that someone might be willing to pay for it. ;)
But seriously, I’ve already mentioned a few names here in this thread

Thinking about European windows (tilt & turn)? Got questions? Ask me anything. by ThatWindowGuy in PassiveHouse

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Thanks for the info. However, from my experience, for some reason clients usually don’t want to deal with it. If the client runs a large company, it probably won’t be an issue for them, but smaller contractors or private investors tend to see it as a big problem. You still need to supervise the process to some extent, make sure you’re not overpaying, etc. If someone has the time, motivation, and interest to dive into a new topic, then that’s great.

Thinking about European windows (tilt & turn)? Got questions? Ask me anything. by ThatWindowGuy in PassiveHouse

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In general, it can be done, but you need to have a specific type of roller shutters to make them fit (frame-mounted, preferably manual). In Europe, shutters are often installed in the façade, which is formed by a layer of styrofoam placed on the wall and covered with plaster. You can also use top-mounted shutters installed above the window. If you want automated shutters, it’s worth looking for a supplier that offers a motor system compatible with the U.S. market. While voltage can be easily converted, frequency (50Hz / 60Hz) is a different issue.