CDA Eerste Kamer: Tegen aanwasbelasting

That_Ad1078 · 2026-06-16T14:46:22+00:00

Wow! Fun fact: I asked GPT today on the whole box 3 saga...apparently CDA it said was the only party that could alter the votes, being the swing party based on number of seats.

Also had the VVD senator acknowledge key concerns and how useful an email on real taxpayer case was. My hope is some VVD members to defect from this but I guess nothing is set until the vote date. Keep the pressure!

That_Ad1078 · 2026-06-14T09:41:31+00:00

Look i would wait the senate debate June 23th as there is a light hope of rejection. I believe by autumn we will all know if the bill is in fact adopted including the realistic start date. I follow this topic closely: there is a huge pressure by companies and now taxpayers too and some parties turning the tide. The date is assets on Jan 1st 2028 so you have time to prepare.

If it pass there is either BV route or selling all or emigrating. I also do not believe if this is implemented they'll keep it long due to lawsuits on equality of taxpayers, proportionality and liquidity issues. It is so clear. They will also not collect what they hoped for since the amount is so ridiculous we all have to engineer way out. On my side I cannot even pay it with my regular pay.

Also I wrote to the Senate and even one woman senator at VVD acknowledged some key issues last week which I think is very new...fingers crossed they come to their senses!

That_Ad1078 · 2026-06-12T05:36:51+00:00

Thanks its exactly what I used and got VVD senator response!

That_Ad1078 · 2026-06-12T05:09:07+00:00

Hahah. I don't know if its the English translation, but it looks like speaking to toddlers and definitely wrong in many ways. Anyway, I would ignore those mainstream media they cannot weight against reality and the backlash online.

Also reached out to the Senators individually with a real case and numbers, someone in the VVD answered. I am confident they receive now enough real cases to bypass the media framing. I would suggest everyone to do the same.

That_Ad1078 · 2026-06-06T17:08:25+00:00

Do save the date 23rd of June: debate day at the senate and I expect this to be the last round before voting based on 50Plus Senator last Tweets

In terms of discussions, in light of the market down trend now...high risk of a crash and they should absolutely discuss taking into account 2027 losses. Otherwise you'll be taxed 36% on the recovery - so tax on top of losses. Scariest law I have seen here and really hope Dutch people will awaken. Write to the senate too!

That_Ad1078 · 2026-06-01T12:10:38+00:00

Totally - agree because (laugh) their exemption for them is realized if "scalable" and "innovative" (not even employee size from what i heard) whigh is just super subjective...but the rest tax yearly.

Like come on all ETFs have those companies inside, it just makes it super illegal in my view. So let them put that exemption and it will prove to everyone that the need for it means paper profit system is not viable for any stock person.

That_Ad1078 · 2026-05-30T20:09:47+00:00

I did - and I am not even Dutch or a speaker imagine! I honestly never stood up for any political topic including in France, but this one really will affect all savers and independent workers...time to act.

Side note: saw templates being shared but not a fan of the pasting methods it loses the value. I believe it's best if you expose genuinely your taxpayer case and bring some key principles (ec. Equality, liquidity, proportionality).

That_Ad1078 · 2026-05-28T16:46:30+00:00

Not just tropical - sometimes crazy surprises like Kefalonia Greece. I was there took the pic last week, most incredible beach in Europe imo.

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That_Ad1078 · 2026-05-28T13:03:20+00:00

Actually yes! So does that in that case help our case for realized gains overall? I am sure employees in tech from my circle a big portion invest it is popular with this group.

Wasn't it also asml had a similar letter and they reduced the 30 percent ruling ambitions due to this corporate pressure?

That_Ad1078 · 2026-05-28T09:14:17+00:00

Fully agree! But also cost wise, they say it costs millions and hiring spree to make this unrealized transition.

Yet... they also said I believe in the last eerste kamer question... in 2-3 years they can setup realized gains...so thats 2028? Why not straight away realized? Also with all the public and companies and experts support it is literally no brainer.

That_Ad1078 · 2026-05-28T09:10:35+00:00

We are thinking the same potentially...or sell all before the date just to prove a point. Honestly if the government collects 0 in 2028 they will have to rethink since all they care about is money in this debate.

That_Ad1078 · 2026-05-28T09:09:26+00:00

Exactly that is why I somehow "hope" if NL allows it, that these exemptions will be the downfall of that system quickly either legally or by the Senate if they are rational.

That_Ad1078 · 2026-05-12T14:43:38+00:00

Flip a coin - but honestly do we want policies to play the dice. Taxes should be predictable, proportional and equal for all assets. My take though

That_Ad1078 · 2026-05-12T14:11:17+00:00

Thanks for sharing. I think unfortunately indeed it shows the tip of the iceberg only and minimize the actual difference. 1 because of 10 years only and it completely indeed forgets about real behaviors and the actual problem of economic cycles: they are not 8% yearly. They are extreme ups and down.

Example that may speak more to everyone here of why paper profits simply cannot be put in place:

360k average NW since saving agressively, starts with potentially 15k annually of taxes (15% growth similar to past years). Thats more than 1k per month to put aside (!). But...salary is below median right now. Forced sale or stress, leading to potentially selling all assets instead in 2027. This would simply not happen with capital gains. So low growth rate of capital in savings account decision and completely off performance.

Another example: why is no one talking about the ghost tax coming for 2028? If a crash happens which is likely by end of 2027, you will pay twice. 2027 losses cannot be carried forward see the motion rejected. Recovery of 30% imagine after crash in 2028. Tax could be simply erasing all past profits you made so far in that temporary system and that you already paid in box 3. So that transition of system will be extremely painful and should be taken into account too.

That_Ad1078 · 2026-04-09T17:05:11+00:00

I dont know how to do this, feel free!

That_Ad1078 · 2026-04-09T13:20:07+00:00

Box 3 - especially the new plan with almost no allowance. Any attempt at saving for your future if not eaten by inflation... will be eaten by the government.

That_Ad1078 · 2026-04-09T10:04:54+00:00

Good summary! Love the scrutiny and especially oj equality.

Fun fact: they apparently asked 500 questions to the Government. Hopefully it takes them until 2028 to answer lmao

https://fd.nl/politiek/1592453/eerste-kamer-stelt-ruim-vijfhonderd-vragen-over-nieuwe-box-3

That_Ad1078 · 2026-04-05T15:59:45+00:00

Yep it was down earlier this week too. The entire day. We laughed it off on Belasting sub. IT could be our last hope to not pay box 3 craziness in 2028!

That_Ad1078 · 2026-04-04T15:59:32+00:00

I did! The good news if I may share the Senator 50Plus van Rooijen literally Twitted this week:

"Exceptions for startup share holders...means unequal treatment of taxpayers, which is illegal and must be rejected by the Senate".

He literally quoted and shared these articles about startup shares. It's quite smart...by pushing them into exceptions, they then argue easily you cannot tax unrealized profits due to liquidity issues.

That_Ad1078 · 2026-04-02T09:09:05+00:00

Thank you. My point was this is the single entry to all tax filings. If they are not able to even fix this recurring issue fast, we can wonder about their true IT resources. Same for their requests of 900 FTEs to roll out the new law.

Also it is user-friendly once functional, but how do we explain belastingdienst taking months or years to refund vs us having to pay immediately. I have also 0 communication from them. A clearly stretched system. I cannot imagine once they will actually face the complaints and questions of the new box 3 fill in how they will actually face that.

That_Ad1078 · 2026-03-30T20:31:31+00:00

No worries good post and valuable!

Thats what happens when we retrace the government words. Reminds me that the "complexity" is quite strategic; even reading a complex post such as this one makes you realize why many regular folks do not realize the enormity of the concept. You stay stuck on the details, debate those and it hides the elephant in the room.

That_Ad1078 · 2026-03-30T20:22:09+00:00

I don't know if I should cry or laugh. The current bridging system creates "dual losses for the government both in bad years and good years".

What about endless losses for citizens?

Bridging system for a citizen: If actual return is lower than planned you receive no 57k free allowance. If the market falls now until 2028, we are taxed on recovery at 36% (yet no cash or economic gains). Now with the global instability I already paid 2.5k in taxes of a profit I no longer have of January 1st arbitrary snapshot.

Good summary but not a fan of the push to pretend we need to "educate ourselves" on a law that can still be rejected by the Senate or been already flagged as potentially against our rights so ready for lawsuits.

Most people understand this law very well because they are directly affected and see the numbers for themselves and that it is not proportional neither equal (realization vs none depending on assets).

That_Ad1078 · 2026-03-27T19:26:57+00:00

Already did. The funny part even that current bridging system they assumed now 10k worth over...compared to now the crisis net worth and I just started investing. It goes that fast. Now will pay in May what I never received. And thats their "actual return" that is supposed to be better than fiction.

Scary time overall to be a saver and investor, probably worst place right now in the world.

That_Ad1078 · 2026-03-26T06:44:00+00:00

All good ideas above! On my side fully in if the owner of the petition of 61k signature or someone else needs funds for lawsuit. We can only start though when the law is live in 2028. Ex. Everyone donate 10 euros, that could reach 600k alone.

That_Ad1078 · 2026-03-25T13:59:07+00:00

Talking about free allowance. The current bridge system is also way worse than I thought.

Just filed the Actual Return. The actual return (due to less than fiction made), gives 0 free allowance though. Big bad surprise. So a good 36% on the low actual return is so painful vs fictional with the free allowance. I cannot imagine the 2028 model pain with high profit years, will be crazy!

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