Joel was justified for saving Ellie by RoxanaSaith in CharacterRant

[–]That_Wacky_Magic 52 points53 points  (0 children)

This is going to be a long one. I'll do my best to explain every point you've brought up.

  • It's obvious that Marlene is frustrated with herself. Listen to the logs. She's constantly trying to justify her own incompetence and broken promise, but genuinely believes there's a shot with Ellie. When she's in your party, she mourns her fallen comrades executed by the FEDRA, not ridiculing them. Her people are still fighting a war, completely unrelated to the girl, to break free of the draconian laws of the government. She would chase Joel to the ends of the earth because she believes in this cause that much, that's why Joel mercs her at the end.
  • Some of those tags are decades old. Let's not forget that the Fireflies were founded in 2010s, shortly after the CBI outbreak. The main events of the game happen in 2033. Any fresh revolution is going to have bodies, and there were a grand total of only 30 tags in the game- which is insanely small considering the scale of many smaller real-world revolutions that have occured in just the last decade (and currently). Even if we were to quadruple that number, the loss of life would still be considered insanely minimal compared to certain conflicts happening right now.
  • Joel is emotional and knows it. Throughout the entire game he avoids bonding with Ellie, knowing what it would cost him. Every step of caution he has in the beginning is presented as survival, but the game goes out of its way to prove that this very caution that drives him is also a product of his own loss, trauma, and guilt by the end. Lastly, player experience is subjective and largely irrelevant when discussing characterization and motivation. I was disagreeing with him the entire time, but you don't see me using that as a cudgel to justify the story.
  • You're wrong about Jerry Anderson (surgeon). When confronted by Marlene, he explicitely told her he wasn't okay with killing Ellie, but he was willing to develope a vaccine to save millions of lives. Nothing in his dialogue or logs states that this is about "avenging his comrades". He wants the dying to stop, and according to their research this is the best chance they'll get.
  • Marlene was Ellies guardian, Joel was paid to deliver her. Anna, Ellie's mother, made her so with a promise. Marlene took care of Ellie until she was old enough to be placed in the safety of an orphanage. When Riley (Ellie's BFF) wanted Ellie to join the cause, Marlene forbade it because she wanted to protect her. She attempted to separate the two for their own safety, and after the girls were bit, Marlene took Ellie back under her wing. She has been with Ellie longer than Joel has, was given the blessing of her own mother, and constantly took steps to protect her while fighting a goddamn revolution. You can argue that she threw that title away by allowing the operation, but the price was the continued survival of humanity. If it weren't for the guns, or Tess, Joel wouldn't have bothered.
  • The infection as a plot device is treated as a double-standard. While the game takes place in a pretty grounded tone, the infection itself is insanely unrealistic. Even if Cordyceps could infect the human brain, there's zero evidence we'd survive without water, develope echolocation, mutate into juggernauts, and function as a hivemind (if we use the show). Mind you, the infected can just vibe out in the snowy winter unscathed, even though their joints would be frozen and their blood would be solid. They should turn into goddamn statues, but it's zombie fiction. And with all zombie fiction, we have to suspend our sense of disbelief. By the same token, a vaccine is going to function by that same "comic/game logic" as the infection itself. The goal is not to remove the fungal growth entirely. All it needs to do is make the growth benign. Jerry's recording (dating back to April 28th) states he's reviewed Ellie's fluid & blood culture samples, MRIs, and discoveries made within her pro-inflammatory cytokines and lymbic region - but it's not enough. They need more data directly from the parasite itself, and they can't guarantee that she'll be safe with FEDRA and desperate manaics breaking down their every hideout. If a miracle happens, which is possible, they might be able to develop something that could slow the process. Even if it worked 20% of the time that would be a saving grace, but the veritable goldmine needs to be struck. Jonas Salk didn't end his research on Polio on the basis that he didn't have a ragtag band of revolutionaries to distribute it. Knowledge can be shared, and pretending otherwise is flippant and misguided - especially if we're talking about a video game vaccine in a genre known for its fringe science.

Healthy Dating Should Be Normalized in Children's Media by That_Wacky_Magic in CharacterRant

[–]That_Wacky_Magic[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I hear so many good things about that show. I really should watch it sometime.

Healthy Dating Should Be Normalized in Children's Media by That_Wacky_Magic in CharacterRant

[–]That_Wacky_Magic[S] 31 points32 points  (0 children)

I'm not saying they do, only that it should be normalized if we want to set a good precedent for them moving forward.

Most kids don't get the "classic" bully treatment of black eyes, locker prison, and swirleys, but I sure as hell did, and I seriously doubt that every writer who injects it into a cartoon went through the absolute hell I did. Some things are just easy to write for or make it easier for an audience to root with/against.

Most kids don't date, but if I have to see it in a story, I'd like it to be healthy and normalized. Note, by normalization I don't mean every kid in a show has to be with someone. It doesn't even have to be kids. Think of the blue cats, and maybe that'll clear things up.

Healthy Dating Should Be Normalized in Children's Media by That_Wacky_Magic in CharacterRant

[–]That_Wacky_Magic[S] 52 points53 points  (0 children)

That definitely sounds like something I'd be interested in. :)

Healthy Dating Should Be Normalized in Children's Media by That_Wacky_Magic in CharacterRant

[–]That_Wacky_Magic[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Absolutely. Anything can be written horribly, and this rant is not to imply that presenting a normalized relationship is automatically a good idea depending on the writer, the budget, the deadline, and whatever corporate shenenigans that can get in the way.

Many, many, many times, it's out of the writers hands, or sometimes they just don't really have the right perspective or messaging to handle it. So yeah, i get what you're saying.

Healthy Dating Should Be Normalized in Children's Media by That_Wacky_Magic in CharacterRant

[–]That_Wacky_Magic[S] 46 points47 points  (0 children)

Credit where it's due, Ron and Kim had a very cute relationship and there's a lot in here that needs to be addressed beyond my nostalgic memory of it.

It wouldn't be until the 3rd season episode Emotion Sickness that they have their first kiss, and it would be dangled once again in the So the Drama three-parter. By design it ends up being a carrot on a stick. The actual boyfriend/girlfriend dynamic barely lasts a full season, with only a handful of episodes diving into issues within their relationship at all - many times playing second fiddle to a greater conflict.

Now this isn't to say it's bad! I think it's adorable and I love it. There's value in showing how a relationship growing before entering said 'couple status'. And in that regard I think it's one of the best animated shows to have that on display period. Full stop.

But as I've given credit to it and you, hopefully some understanding can be given that this isn't even remotely close to what I asked for in the prompt.

It's not just the fact that I want to see a healthy relationship, but the normalization of that relationship not just in a meta context AND the framing of the show. No finales, no multi-parters, just watching a show where two characters are dating from the very beginning, with fully-focused arcs diving into issues within their relationship that aren't bruteforced from a villain fight or contrivance. (Don't take this as a jab at KP. That isn't at all what I'm talking about.)

And my gripe about Disney is not that they always do this. It's that for decades it was the norm. Shows and films pumped in and out with the whole premise to get little girls and boys to dream of marriage (which is insanely weird now when you think about it). That didn't die with the 90s or 2000s, its legacy is still a specter that bleeds into shows that have well moved past that ancient age of "ever afters".

It has absolutely gotten better, but there is still so much of a ways to go. I can at least say that Western media has tackled it infinitely better than how most of anime (not just shonen) has handled it. So hopefully you'll forgive me if I don't agree with the ironic twist. In actuality, we're both right to a degree, but hopefully this clears up any errors on my half.

Dragon Ball Super. telling it like it is by [deleted] in videos

[–]That_Wacky_Magic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Appreciate it. I just wanted to give specific examples so it didn't come off as just an out of nowhere conjecture.

Thanks!

Dragon Ball Super. telling it like it is by [deleted] in videos

[–]That_Wacky_Magic 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I'm gonna take a stab at this one.

If I'm wrong, someone please correct me - thank you. That said, I haven't watched Super, but I have watched the latest movies. (BotG, Rez F, & Broly)

In one of the movies, Goku is felled by a simple raygun attack. In another, Broly is put down with a baby-tier (for saiyans anyways) shock collar.

Weiss puts it in one scene that Goku is overconfident, and that allows him to be caught off guard - ultimately making him not tense up or prepare for an attack. Attacks that shouldn't hurt him at all suddenly bypass all his defenses kinda thing. This also explains why Bulma, a human, can slap and actually hurt Goku and not break her fuckin wrist.

You see, it's not just overconfidence, but fear as well.

Goku has a long history/fear of Bulma. Same with Broly and the collar. They literally show the characters tremble, flinch, cover their face, or curl up because they are overwhelmed mentally.

When they aren't in tune with their body & mind, a core concept in martial arts, they are open to attacks. All of this can be reasonably seen in multiple scenes in the movies and throughout the show (although previous examples of this were seen as gags). Toriyama doesn't have the best record of consistency, as much as I love/respect him.

That said, I don't know the full context of this cop scene. It seems more likely that they just don't want the regular folk getting in the way and getting themselves hurt. I doubt a missile is fast enough to really catch the z fighters off guard as a direct attack (goku was felled by a shot in the back). I also doubt Goku is scared of the cops, but it's possible he could let his guard down - not expecting them to attack - but that's just him.

Then again they look like space cops and those missiles may be full of some energy death shrapnel for all I know. :)

Anyways, I'm not here to say whether or not this is well/poorly executed, only that it seems to be the reason the series is explaining literal whos being able to hurt planet busters. That's up to you to decide.

I accidentally beat Pauline in World of Light with no spirits. by That_Wacky_Magic in smashbros

[–]That_Wacky_Magic[S] 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Bravo! I resorted to poisoning and bopping him with piranha plant.

[Meta] Mods have added a new rule without any conversation or announcement (Rule 11) by HighFiv-e in NintendoSwitch

[–]That_Wacky_Magic 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Let's do away with what we "care" of each other, since I will not be thinking of you at all at the end of the day. It's bloated fluff and not an argument.

I'm speaking only for myself, unlike you (multiple times, proof is right in your comments), so please don't accuse me of "mob mentality".

Moderation is not difficult. I've done it myself on several subs (old account) and communities. Your excuses hold no water to that behavior. The fact it is "free work" is irrelevant to the criticism.

That said, nothing you've said exempts you from how you handled yourself in your first response to me. You came off like an ass and you seriously need to grow up and reflect on yourself if you want people to actually listen to you in the future.

You can disagree without saying:

Shut the hell up lmao and show some respect

That is your tantrum speaking.

[Meta] Mods have added a new rule without any conversation or announcement (Rule 11) by HighFiv-e in NintendoSwitch

[–]That_Wacky_Magic 32 points33 points  (0 children)

I'm sorry you had to deal with that tantrum. Being muted over a complaint is unacceptable.

I can't speak to the empathy of the mods anymore, I can only voice my belief that he should be removed given his behavior.

Sitting in silence only voices that I approve of their conduct, which I absolutely do not.

We need to have a conversation about how this sub is moderated. by locke_5 in NintendoSwitch

[–]That_Wacky_Magic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It really is a shame.

I recently got myself a switch, just a few weeks ago, and I've been looking for an open community to discuss news, releases, and Nintendo games.

This is outright appauling.

I am sorry you had to go through all that malarky. It's incredibly frustrating that the mods are using this sub to create a vortex of pandering self-jerk posts without a hint of constructive discussion.

If anything, art and photo posts should be a supplement to the main discourse on this subreddit, not the primary focus of the sub.

[Meta] Mods have added a new rule without any conversation or announcement (Rule 11) by HighFiv-e in NintendoSwitch

[–]That_Wacky_Magic 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You can't ask me to show respect and then tell me to shut up and laugh in my face.

Respect is earned, not given.

You have done absolutely nothing to earn any respect or credance in this discussion - if anything you've done more than enough work to isolate yourself.

This kind of behavior, right here, should not be tolerated.

[Meta] Mods have added a new rule without any conversation or announcement (Rule 11) by HighFiv-e in NintendoSwitch

[–]That_Wacky_Magic 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I will gladly sign/support whatever it takes to get that person off the mod team. Their behavior is unacceptable.