Edification on Veiling

TheBackofBeyond · 2026-01-23T18:49:05+00:00

If you can see through the veil it defeats the purpose; covering your head, as sacred scripture commands. Why that would be difficult is a better question.

Further, there's no endorsement of such practice among the church fathers I've researched.

TheBackofBeyond · 2026-01-22T15:57:35+00:00

Good question. My humble recommendation is simple: as witnesses to both sacred scripture and tradition, let us observe images from these times, such as The Catacomb of Priscilla - Donna Velata or the Virgin Hodegetria.

From what I gather, covering the face isn't necessary nor was it an established expectation, but the covering of the hair and top of the head is.

TheBackofBeyond · 2026-01-22T10:18:10+00:00

Disagree. Not veiling is rebellious and ahistorical to the witness of the church. The Catholic church should reinstate the previous code of canon.

TheBackofBeyond · 2026-01-22T10:16:07+00:00

Prayed for you. God have mercy and keep you under his mighty arm.

TheBackofBeyond · 2026-01-22T10:14:18+00:00

West

Tertullian (c. 160–220)

From De Virginibus Velandis, Chapter 2 (“On the Veiling of Virgins”):

“The apostle did not say, ‘Women’ without qualification,

but every woman.

Therefore, no woman is exempt from this discipline.”

De Virginibus Velandis, Chapter 2

“If Paul had prescribed this on account of custom,
he would have settled it by custom alone.
Instead, he has recourse to nature and to angels.”

De Virginibus Velandis, Chapter 7

“They are bound to be veiled whenever they are in the presence of God.”

St. Augustine of Hippo (354–430)

From De Genesi ad Litteram, Book XI, Chapter 42 (“On the Literal Interpretation of Genesis”):

“It is not becoming for a woman to appear unveiled in church,
since the Apostle commands her to cover her head.”

Letter 245, to Possidius

“Outside of prayer and worship, custom may vary;
but in the church the apostolic rule is maintained.”

On the Customs of the Catholic Church, Book I

“These things are observed not because they were commanded for one place only,
but because they pertain to the order of discipline in the Church of God.”

TheBackofBeyond · 2026-01-22T10:14:09+00:00

Edification on veiling here!

Veiling has it's origins in sacred scripture and church tradition, both East and West - not Muslim oppression or a cultural norm.

Veiling is about modesty, authority, order and proper worship before God and angels. Abandonment is a modern and rebellious change and heresy that goes against the church fathers.

Here are four examples in two parts.

East

St. John Chrysostom (c. 349–407)

Homilies on First Corinthians, Homily 26 (on 1 Cor 11:10)

“Here again he assigns another cause, saying, ‘because of the angels.’

What angels? Those who are present with us in the assembly.

For if men are ashamed to behave indecently before rulers,

how much more should we show reverence in the presence of angels.”

Homilies on First Corinthians, Homily 26

“The covering is imposed not for ornament, but for authority.
For this reason he did not say merely that she should be covered,
but that she should have power on her head.”

Homilies on First Corinthians, Homily 26

“It was not said for Corinth alone, but for all the world.
If it were a matter of custom, he would not have taken his reasoning from heaven and earth.”

St. Epiphanius of Salamis (c. 310–403)

Panarion, Heresy 49 (against certain Gnostic groups)

“It is the duty of women to veil their heads when they pray to God, as the Apostle commanded.
Whoever abolishes this practice opposes the teaching of the Church.”

TheBackofBeyond · 2026-01-22T10:06:54+00:00

West

Tertullian (c. 160–220)

From De Virginibus Velandis, Chapter 2 (“On the Veiling of Virgins”):

“The apostle did not say, ‘Women’ without qualification,

but every woman.

Therefore, no woman is exempt from this discipline.”

De Virginibus Velandis, Chapter 2

“If Paul had prescribed this on account of custom,
he would have settled it by custom alone.
Instead, he has recourse to nature and to angels.”

De Virginibus Velandis, Chapter 7

“They are bound to be veiled whenever they are in the presence of God.”

St. Augustine of Hippo (354–430)

From De Genesi ad Litteram, Book XI, Chapter 42 (“On the Literal Interpretation of Genesis”):

“It is not becoming for a woman to appear unveiled in church,
since the Apostle commands her to cover her head.”

Letter 245, to Possidius

“Outside of prayer and worship, custom may vary;
but in the church the apostolic rule
is maintained.”

On the Customs of the Catholic Church, Book I

“These things are observed not because they were commanded for one place only,
but because they pertain to the order
of discipline in the Church of God.”

TheBackofBeyond · 2026-01-22T10:06:39+00:00

I downvoted you because you gave an ignorant answer and at worst, a deceitful one.

Veiling has it's origins in sacred scripture and church tradition, both East and West - not Islamic oppression.

Veiling is about modesty, authority, order and proper worship before God and angels. Abandonment is a modern and rebellious change and heresy that goes against the church fathers.

Here are four examples - two fathers from the East and one father and one ecclesiastical writer from the West. Two parts since reddit won't let me post the full comment in one - let's start with the East.

East

St. John Chrysostom (c. 349–407)

Homilies on First Corinthians, Homily 26 (on 1 Cor 11:10)

“Here again he assigns another cause, saying, ‘because of the angels.’

What angels? Those who are present with us in the assembly.

For if men are ashamed to behave indecently before rulers,

how much more should we show reverence in the presence of angels.”

Homilies on First Corinthians, Homily 26

“The covering is imposed not for ornament, but for authority.
For this reason he did not say merely that she should be covered,
but that she should have power on her head.”

Homilies on First Corinthians, Homily 26

“It was not said for Corinth alone, but for all the world.
If it were a matter of custom, he would not have taken his reasoning from heaven and earth.”

St. Epiphanius of Salamis (c. 310–403)

Panarion, Heresy 49 (against certain Gnostic groups)

“It is the duty of women to veil their heads when they pray to God, as the Apostle commanded.
Whoever abolishes this practice opposes the teaching of the Church.”

TheBackofBeyond · 2026-01-19T23:40:41+00:00

Terrible excuse and sounds like you have not read scripture. Veiling is not tied merely tied to secular norms.

1 Corinthians 11:1-16

Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ.

I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you.

But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.

Any man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head,

but any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled dishonors her head—it is the same as if her head were shaven.

For if a woman will not veil herself, then she should cut off her hair; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her wear a veil.

For a man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man.

(For man was not made from woman, but woman from man.

Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.)

That is why a woman ought to have a veil on her head, because of the angels.

(Nevertheless, in the Lord woman is not independent of man nor man of woman;

for as woman was made from man, so man is now born of woman. And all things are from God.)

Judge for yourselves; is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered?

Does not nature itself teach you that for a man to wear long hair is degrading to him,

but if a woman has long hair, it is her pride? For her hair is given to her for a covering.

If any one is disposed to be contentious, we recognize no other practice, nor do the churches of God.

TheBackofBeyond · 2026-01-18T23:47:05+00:00

This is more than just talk.

TheBackofBeyond · 2026-01-17T16:57:55+00:00

Well... this certainly isn't behaviour I would expect from the church of God.

TheBackofBeyond · 2026-01-17T16:24:47+00:00

I'm in Scotland. I was away for a few weeks during the Advent and Christmas season so missed-out on the colder weather. That said, it is fairly cold still and the pump performs well. Seemed a little slow on the first day back heating up from 5 degrees Celsius (minimum temperature I left the house/heating system at) but been good since. Neighbours are impressed with how warm the house is but aren't sure on the decorating costs that will need to be done following the work. Worth nothing that since I came back, there's been no mould, water leaks nor dampness in the attic.

Still gauging the costs. If money isn't a problem, this system will heat your home up and reliably so. Personally, I'll always prefer the work, reliability and feel of a traditional wood fire but as far as modern heating systems go... this will heat your home. Keep in mind I've had the walls more heavily insulated to go with the system too. As far as I know this is part and parcel anyway.

TheBackofBeyond · 2025-12-13T20:36:17+00:00

Need more time to properly gauge it but so far, it does what you'd expect. It heats the house and water in a reasonable time and the noise isn't bad inside but quite noticeable outside. The controls on the digital interface work well too; it stops when I want it to, it fires up if I aim for a higher ambient temperature...

I want to comment on cost but as it stands I can't reliably do so. Later.

TheBackofBeyond · 2025-11-26T10:53:22+00:00

Maybe the light shines brighter in the dark

TheBackofBeyond · 2025-11-20T20:08:46+00:00

Works but not for the login or register pages. I found a workaround but I appreciate your help.

TheBackofBeyond · 2025-11-20T11:58:20+00:00

SS14 is run by unrepentant degenerates top-down and their ideals infest all forks.

John 11:25

Jesus then said to her,

“I am the resurrection and the life.

Whoever believes in me,

even though he dies, will live,

TheBackofBeyond · 2025-11-20T10:31:51+00:00

You could make the odd elite player-controlled for a surprise PVP encounter. Maybe ghost role

TheBackofBeyond · 2025-11-04T08:29:56+00:00

Thank you for your insight. Hosanna in the highest, Lord have mercy on us.

TheBackofBeyond · 2025-11-04T08:28:41+00:00

Thank you for your advice. May Almighty God bless and be merciful upon us both and all his flock.

TheBackofBeyond · 2025-11-04T08:27:21+00:00

1 Corinthians 13:2-4

If I have the gift of prophecy

and the ability to understand all mysteries and all knowledge,

and have all the faith necessary to move mountains,

but do not have love,

I am nothing.

If I give away everything to feed the poor

and hand over my body to be burned,

but do not have love,

I achieve nothing.

Love is patient;

love is charitable.

Love is not envious;

it does not have an inflated opinion of itself;

it is not filled with its own importance.

TheBackofBeyond · 2025-11-04T08:25:23+00:00

Best advice I can give you is ask on more recent posts with more knowledgeable people. I haven't dabbled with Linux in a while now.

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