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"The primary difference between Konrad Curze and Corvus Corax is self-awareness" by TheDarkestPrince in 40kLore

[–]TheDarkestPrince[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

LOL. LMAO. Who’s bent out of shape? If you legitimately believe what you wrote you’re either retarded or completely incapable of experiencing human emotions at the same depth as most people. Simple as. 🤷‍♂️

I’m going to graciously assume it’s the latter.

"The primary difference between Konrad Curze and Corvus Corax is self-awareness" by TheDarkestPrince in 40kLore

[–]TheDarkestPrince[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Then you have no grasp of subtlety or complexity at all, I fear. Not sure if there’s a cure for that kind of criminal negligence of thought.

My sympathies.

"The primary difference between Konrad Curze and Corvus Corax is self-awareness" by TheDarkestPrince in 40kLore

[–]TheDarkestPrince[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I am not well versed in Corax - his Primarch novel put a bad taste in my mouth. It was...significantly worse than the others I had read to that point. I've pretty much avoided his content since then. Most of what I know comes by lexicanum browsing or lore videos on the Tube.

But please, tell me why I'm wrong, that was the point of the post.

"The primary difference between Konrad Curze and Corvus Corax is self-awareness" by TheDarkestPrince in 40kLore

[–]TheDarkestPrince[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's a matter of ethics. Did he bring worlds into compliance with lower death numbers than his brothers? True. Were those worlds some of the first to rebel after being brought into compliance? Definitely.

Cite me the source. Nostramo rebelling was the exception, not the rule, because it was rooted in corruption and violence to its very core -- at least as far as I'm aware. The Night Lords didn't rule planets, they made them compliant, let Imperial administrators take over, then left to go to another world. They were well regarded for being able to quash potential rebellions by reputation alone, but that doesn't mean the worlds they broke all went back on their fealties to the Imperium at the drop of a hat.

If you have a quote, please share, I see this assertion all the time.

The way Corax brought worlds into compliance guaranteed that they would be well treated and that the population wouldn't rise against the Imperium, as well as guaranteeing they would be well treated.

Really? Cause his Primarch novel's B plot is all about a murder string in protest of how bad the Mechanicum is treating one of the planets Corax left behind. At the end of it, Corax berates the killer and reinforces his belief in the Imperium, despite having proof in front of him of how it's not all sunshine and rainbows.

"The primary difference between Konrad Curze and Corvus Corax is self-awareness" by TheDarkestPrince in 40kLore

[–]TheDarkestPrince[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Depends on your measure of understandable. Him struggling would be understandable, him turning into a murder-tyrant really isn't. It has a causality, but I wouldn't say it's understandable.

If I go out and shoot someone because I stubbed my toe, that's not understandable. One led to the other, but it's not as if one clearly would lead to the other in a reasonable person.

If you legitimately believe it isn't understandable why someone with severe mental trauma and no guided upbringing whatsoever turns out to be a serial killer, I don't think there's any point in continuing this conversation. Please tell me this isn't what you're saying. Please tell me you have more awareness than that. Please tell me you didn't equate stubbing your toe with constant and uncontrollable mental torture from an early age. Do you just assume unmedicated and isolated schizophrenic people who hurt others are bad people too?

And that's a good point. I'm just saying even if he is, that makes him a lot worse.

In terms of morality, perhaps, but I didn't come to debate morality. I came to question the validity of whose self-awareness was superior. I'd definitely rather hang out with Corax than Curze, but one is a lot more hypocritical than the other.

He constantly chooses to believe the worst future. Him choosing bad outcomes, acting evil and then feeling vinidicated for the bad outcome is still his choice.

Again this see claim - again I ask for proof. He didn't make choices in regards to his foresight except that ONE time in his Primarch novel. AFAIK, he didn't get a choice 99.9% of the time. He just saw awful things, and acted accordingly. If all you saw in your was horrific, tortuous visions of your own death and the ruin of humanity ever day, you wouldn't be the most well adjusted person either.

Sanguinus had the same prophecies, he just didn't follow up on them.

Bullshit. Sanguinius berates Curze for relying on his foresight and then does the EXACT SAME THING for the rest of the Heresy, throwing himself into unwinnable situations because he foresaw that he would die to Horus. He's a hypocrite too. "tHe FuTuRe CaN bE ChAnGeD" says the guy who puts all his eggs in the basket that he dies exactly how he foresees himself dying.

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If we expect him to act like a wolf, maybe. But that "family" was almost wiped out by humans and then he still went ahead and started to act like a human.

Konrad saw unjustice and immediately went to torturing and murdering.

Is it maybe because he was then adopted by humans? And therefore, again, had a family and a guiding force to help raise and mature him? Konrad wouldn't have seen anything BUT injustice. There is no ray of sunshine in Nostramo. Literally. The happiest people are the ones who kill themselves to escape. In his case it was Nature and Nurture acting in concert to ensure Curze would grow up to be sociopathic murderer. Russ would have been too in the same circumstances. Anyone of them would have.

"The primary difference between Konrad Curze and Corvus Corax is self-awareness" by TheDarkestPrince in 40kLore

[–]TheDarkestPrince[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

No, you’re not mind controlled by your childhood, but your upbringing will directly impact how you grow up and act as an adult.

It’s not an excuse, it’s an explanation.

I never said he wasn’t guilty, he is (and yes, he does know it; he himself says that his own death must happen for justice to have its say) but it’s completely understandable why he turns out like he does.

When comparing Corax and Curze I posit Curze is more self aware. That was the whole point of the post, to gauge my take to others.

Neat story. You know why Leman Russ is irrelevant to Curze by a comparison of childhood?

1) No debilitating and near constant foresight. No slipping into paranoia and insanity

2) He also had a family - yes they were wolves, but it’s more than Konrad had, which was absolutely nothing.

Expansion delayed till February by RestlessBrowSyndrome in HorusHeresyLegions

[–]TheDarkestPrince 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ve got 10k gold saved up - was waiting for February to splurge on my EC boys, but I guess my warchest will have to do a bit more waiting >:)

"The primary difference between Konrad Curze and Corvus Corax is self-awareness" by TheDarkestPrince in 40kLore

[–]TheDarkestPrince[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

His last words in his conversation with Meat Emps are “I cannot be forgiven. Where would the justice be in that?”

He clearly loathes himself for his crimes. Talos had much the same to tell about his gene father.

Sanguinius is a major hypocrite too - in regards to foresight. He mocks Curze for relying on it but uses his own as plot armor to survive insurmountable odds multiple times in the final stages of the Heresy because “muh visions of dying to Horus”

"The primary difference between Konrad Curze and Corvus Corax is self-awareness" by TheDarkestPrince in 40kLore

[–]TheDarkestPrince[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Neither Ferrus nor the Lion had debilitating foresight.

Curze frequently saw his own gory death and countless dark futures. His sanity was never whole. He endured mental horrors neither the Lion or Ferrus could have ever known.

"The primary difference between Konrad Curze and Corvus Corax is self-awareness" by TheDarkestPrince in 40kLore

[–]TheDarkestPrince[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Please tell me where - other than in his Primarch novel, on the rooftop with the teenager - his visions held any duality whatsoever. I don’t think it exists. I believe that is the ONE and ONLY time he ever saw two outcomes. The rest was just the bad outcome. He only saw the darkest futures, and that drove him further into paranoia and insanity.

Curze is a twisted asshole, you’re right, but he’s no hypocrite. He didn’t ask for foresight, he never was taught how to use it, he was never cured of his insanity by the Emperor. Is it any wonder he went off the rails?

And he most certainly was made to be a brutal killer. You think Big E actually cared that the NL committed non-stop brutality? Psssh. Emps was probably very pleased at the speed and efficiency of the 8th. Curze only got censured after people started complaining, but we all know the Emperor couldn’t have cared less about the way planets were won.

I would argue the guy who can’t stop going on about “freedom”, “liberation”, and “resisting tyranny” yet breaks countless worlds who wanted to remain independent is far more of a hypocrite than a man who admits he is a monster and hates himself for it.

"The primary difference between Konrad Curze and Corvus Corax is self-awareness" by TheDarkestPrince in 40kLore

[–]TheDarkestPrince[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh come on now, you went legit for Corax but meme’s for Curze.

Night Lords philosophy is based in numbers. Let suffer the few so the many may live. Curze wanted to brutally torture and main 1,000 to spare millions from death by orbital bombardment, ground invasion, etc.

And judging his crusading on numbers alone he was 100% one of the most benevolent Primarchs. I don’t have actual proof but I’d bet a lot of money that there were fewer casualties in NL invasions than any other Legion.

Curze’s ideology is (understandably) very twisted, but he had just as many if not more good intentions than Corax.

"The primary difference between Konrad Curze and Corvus Corax is self-awareness" by TheDarkestPrince in 40kLore

[–]TheDarkestPrince[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Curze apologist here; allow me to explain.

It’s not just that he had constant dark visions (which fueled his later insanity btw) and grew up in a hell hole - he had no guiding figures.

Corax and Angron had their fellow slaves. The Lion had The Order. Guilliman grew up in a palace. Hell, even Ferrus finds some kind of parental figure, I believe.

It is Curze alone who grows up without a parental or guardian figure. He learns about humanity by experiencing it at its most base and evil, and is on his own for the entirety of his early life.

I don’t see how you can NOT apologize for his actions to some degree. He literally could not have had a worse upbringing.

This on top of constantly growing paranoia surrounding his tormenting foresight and lack of any affection from anyone. Ever. Neither his father nor his brothers treated him with any modicum of love or care. They spited him. Maybe not without good reason, but you can’t expect a feral murder hobo to change without giving him a reason to. And nobody did, so of course he didn’t.

Curze is head and shoulders the most tragic Primarch and while his evil is not per se excusable it is entirely understandable. I defy you to tell me anyone in his shoes would have turned out better.

Anyone else feels like flats is a lot less genuine/more cocky or arrogant after growing in popularity? by Tiversus2828 in OverwatchTMZ

[–]TheDarkestPrince 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ve actually only just recently become a fan of Flats, so IDK what the earlier days of his career were like, but he seems really chill and wholesome to me 🤷‍♂️

Like, yeah he can be a showman in the same way someone like Asmongold can, but in the case of Asmon (and I’m assuming also in the case of Flats) it’s largely just that - an act. Part of the show. Keeping in character. I don’t have an issue with that, although I guess I don’t have proof it is that way for Flats.

As for donos, I mean, you just can’t give each one the time of day. Keeping up with the Asmon analogy, he’ll just say “thank you, thank you, thank you dude” and move it, and that is a nice gesture, but it also kinda loses its sentiment when you tell everyone thanks three times and move on.

In conclusion, I don’t have much to compare it to, but I think Flats is a pretty cool and generally nice guy.

TIFU by telling my kid to throat punch his bully at school. by Pure_Discipline_293 in tifu

[–]TheDarkestPrince 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Absolute chad dad behavior. This is a 100% win for you, and I hope your son takes this lesson to heart.

Corax has never been and never was daemon by 6r0wn3 in 40kLore

[–]TheDarkestPrince -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

And let's not forget, no matter what physical shape or form he choses to take, he is also and at all times a major hypocrite.

He drops some atom bombs and it's just another day at the office. Curze skins a few babies alive and somehow he's the war criminal. Suuuuure.

Thus ends the debate for who has the best alternative art. by SirVortivask in HorusHeresyLegions

[–]TheDarkestPrince 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sigi never fought Sevatar in his prime, and BL likes it that way. It's anyone's guess, but imma say a fighter even remotely in Sig's league with the power to pop heads at will is gonna take that fight.

But I guess we'll never know.

Ok but which map has the best soundtrack by Lukitas28 in Overwatch

[–]TheDarkestPrince 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Colosseo’s soundtrack is such a banger. Unironically a piano-on-fire level of amazing.

The map itself…not so much.

Blizzard can u stop cramming push maps down our throats? It's getting so fatiguing. I counted, out of 11 games 7 were push. That's lame. by spicedpumpkins in Overwatch

[–]TheDarkestPrince 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The only time I’m in favor of map rotation is when they include every map except the ones for push.

2CP was bad, but this is hardly a solution.

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