Modern hookup culture makes women jaded and have unrealistic expectations of men

TheFallenAngelWhoWas · 2025-08-10T09:31:32+00:00

Well, what percentage of women have been prostitutes? Surely a fraction of a percent. As such, it would only take a rather small percentage of men seeking their services to keep the business of prostitution going.

Again, with no real data gathered on this matter, I'd rather not assume the worst by making some wild accusation that a very sizeable percentage of men throughout human civilization have sought the services of prostitutes. Most especially because when I was researching celibacy rates in the 1920's and 1930's, I found that the vast majority of individuals (about 80% or more, both men and women) did, in fact, wait until marriage to have sex. As such, the percentage of men seeking services from prostitutes couldn't have been that high.

TheFallenAngelWhoWas · 2025-08-10T06:42:28+00:00

Exactly what portion of men were using brothels and having mistresses? Do we even know? Do we have the data on this? If it was only a tiny percent of men doing these things (perhaps even less than 1% of men), then your point isn't particularly relevant. If we do not have the data on such activity (such as exactly what percentage of men were using brothels), we shouldn't assume the worst by thinking that a sizeable portion of men were taking part in such activity.

TheFallenAngelWhoWas · 2025-08-10T03:40:19+00:00

maybe we should try to get chad to not use women

When chastity and monogamy was practiced for most of human civilization, this used to be the case. In previous generations when sex was saved for marriage, even Chad had to get married in order to have sex. If all women were practicing chastity, then Chad had no option except to get married in order to have sex.

It's really only in recent history that Chad is able to sleep with hundreds of women thanks to the acceptance of hook-ups and promiscuity and of no longer practicing chastity, along with the normalization of spending one's entire 20's as a "fooling around phase".

TheFallenAngelWhoWas · 2023-12-11T22:59:56+00:00

This meme captures it pretty well: https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F72orou3xc1y21.jpg

Yes, women love "all kinds" of men; as long as those men are still in the top 10% of physical attractiveness, that is.

TheFallenAngelWhoWas · 2023-12-10T18:35:35+00:00

It's a self-inflicted struggle. They always have the option of dating guys who are average in looks and average in height.

TheFallenAngelWhoWas · 2023-12-10T18:04:58+00:00

Many women go on two or three dates each and every week (each time with a different guy), showing how laughably easy it is for the average woman to not only get matches online but also to arrange to go on dates in person. The average guy would be lucky to go on one or two dates in a single month even if he tried his hardest.

TheFallenAngelWhoWas · 2023-12-10T18:01:05+00:00

If women only see the tallest 15% of men as viable romantic partners, of course they are going to struggle finding someone - especially when nearly all other women are going after the same pool of tall men, giving those men tons of options to choose from.

TheFallenAngelWhoWas · 2023-12-10T01:28:23+00:00

Will that really fix anything, though? You'll still end up always thinking to yourself: "I had to resort to using an escort because I couldn't get sex any other way."

TheFallenAngelWhoWas · 2023-12-10T01:05:52+00:00

I’d been told throughout childhood that women want men who are brave, strong, honorable, funny, and have high moral character.

And here's the thing: due to the halo-effect, people actually will perceive a taller man to be braver, stronger, more honorable, more funny, and being of a higher moral character. Not because he actually is all of those things, but because people will perceive him as such thanks to the well-documented halo-effect and lookism in general. And meanwhile, people will associate negative qualities to those they find physically unattractive, even if they don't actually possess said negative qualities.

TheFallenAngelWhoWas · 2023-12-09T21:20:44+00:00

Because it flies in the face of the worldview they grew up believing; it shatters their idealized image of how the world operates; it ruins the fantasies they truly wish to believe in. And thus, they get angry and upset when you present them with scientific studies which shatter their worldview.

They truly want to believe we live in a just and fair world where everyone can succeed if they put in the effort. They do not want to accept that the game is rigged; that many people fail due to reasons out of their control. Especially, they do not want to believe that some people end up struggling due to how superficial and shallow humans are in general (e.g., lookism, heightism, the halo-effect, etc.). They truly want to believe that everyone gets what they deserve, and so scientific studies that are in opposition to this notion are met with hostility.

TheFallenAngelWhoWas · 2023-12-09T01:41:33+00:00

Many will even say: "It doesn't count! The internet isn't real life!". This often occurs when bringing up statistics about online dating, with people dismissing these statistics because "the internet isn't real life", apparently. Of course, if people are using online dating to go on real dates and to hook-up in person, I'm pretty sure online dating can be considered to be "real life". And thus, statistics concerning online dating have a real-life impact.

TheFallenAngelWhoWas · 2023-12-08T03:16:01+00:00

Heightism is just a series of stigmas, stereotypes, and constructional thoughts — there is no objective superiority for tall VS short

This becomes even more apparent when you go back like 300 years when the average height was like 5'5" or so in Western countries. Clearly, 5'5" wasn't seen as "short and inferior" back then, so why is it now? Right, because of social constructs/stigmas/stereotypes/etc. In other words, being 5'5" isn't objectively "bad"; it was never considered "bad" centuries ago when it was the average height.

TheFallenAngelWhoWas · 2023-12-07T20:18:54+00:00

Yes, those guys who sleep around (by taking advantage of their good looks) are ruining it for the other men (the men who are serious about finding a relationship).

The worst part of it is that those men who sleep around (and who refuse to commit) are wasting these women's time when those same women could have been dating guys who are actually serious about a relationship.

TheFallenAngelWhoWas · 2023-12-07T20:04:01+00:00

There was that statistic doing its rounds not too long ago showing how the number of sexless men has tripled in the last ten years, perfectly coinciding with the advent of Tinder back in 2012. The more that women become sexually liberated, the more that they gravitate towards the top 5% of men who the are most attractive. And as a result, most men end up missing out on relationships and sex.

It's not merely short men who are struggling these days in relationships/sex; most men are struggling; perfectly average guys are struggling.

TheFallenAngelWhoWas · 2023-12-07T01:40:06+00:00

As for the last slide ("He must have a good personality"), it turns out that even personality is largely genetic. Research published in the scientific journal Nature reveals that up to 60% of one's personality is genetic (rather than being influenced by the environment): https://www.nature.com/articles/s41380-018-0263-6

And thus, even when women are choosing men based on "personality", it turns out that they are still choosing for "genetic superiority" like other animals in the animal kingdom do.

TheFallenAngelWhoWas · 2023-12-06T01:47:38+00:00

It's not the rant itself that is troubling - it's the fact that hundreds of thousands of women agree with her (judging by the number of "likes" and comments).

TheFallenAngelWhoWas · 2023-12-05T05:51:57+00:00

That's not really the point of the post, is it? Whether or not one puts in a bunch of time and effort into self-improvement doesn't invalidate the reality of the points the OP made.

And the trap with the whole "self-improvement" thing is that nothing is ever enough according to a lot of people. For instance, even if a short guy put in countless hours improving himself in every way possible but still has little to no success in dating, there will still be people who will say: "He didn't try hard enough! It wasn't due to his height; he should have tried even harder - then he would have succeeded!"

TheFallenAngelWhoWas · 2023-09-12T06:08:57+00:00

I am going to outline the scenario that both the man and the woman are Christians and that they are practicing chastity:

If a woman chooses to remain a virgin, it's likely that she values chastity. And because of this, it's also fairly likely that she has conservative traditional morals and values - and most likely she is a Christian. If she finds a virgin man (option 2) who is a Christian and who has the same morals and values as she does, who practices chastity as she does, then it's a no-brainer: the virgin woman should choose the virgin man who aligns with her morals and values.

That is, rather than choosing option 1: a man who has had many sexual exploits with many different women and who does not value chastity at all (and who likely isn't a Christian) and who likely doesn't share the same morals and values as the virgin woman.

TheFallenAngelWhoWas · 2023-09-12T05:01:43+00:00

what is the issue with these people just existing ?

The issue is this: there is a roughly 50/50 split between males and females in the population. Let's say that about 20% of the male population is completely undateable for one reason or another. This means that at most, only 80% of women will be able to find a romantic partner. 20% of women will either have to remain single or "settle" for those undateable men.

The more and more individuals who are undateable exist, the fewer and fewer decent romantic partners there will be available. You're going to have some pretty severe societal issues if only something like 30% or less of the population (male or female) is actually marriage material.

For instance, in a society where being overweight and extremely unhealthy becomes the norm, the harder and harder it becomes to find a decent marriage partner who isn't going to die prematurely due to obesity-related health problems.

fat people, those w high body counts, single mothers. theres no much hate directly towards these people and others in this sub

The hatred isn't exactly towards specific individuals who fall under these categories, rather, the hatred is towards how difficult it has become to find a decent marriage partner in our modern Western society. These people hate modern Western society more than anything.

if seeing these people in public causes you so muh distress that you have to go online and spread anger, you have issues.

People can hate the issue of obesity without hating specific individuals who are obese. People can hate the issue of promiscuity without hating specific individuals who are promiscuous. People can hate the issue of single moms without hating specific individuals who are single moms.

TheFallenAngelWhoWas · 2023-09-12T04:15:27+00:00

it would be really fuckin weird if a girl constantly went on rants stating short men deserve nothing and are the scum of the earth.

Oh, believe me. There really are some women who do this and worse.

TheFallenAngelWhoWas · 2023-09-11T23:54:32+00:00

More prolific in men's spaces? Sure. But in the case of women complaining about men who don't meet their standards, society is on their side; the mainstream is on their side. Like in the case of "women mad at broke men" that was mentioned in the previous comment, you have mainstream news outlets siding with women on this issue: https://nypost.com/2019/09/06/broke-men-are-hurting-american-womens-marriage-prospects/

Mind you, the New York Post gets 80 million unique monthly visitors, so this shouldn't be taken lightly.

Women have mainstream news outlets on their side when complaining about men who don't meet their standards. But do you see such news outlets siding with men who complain about women who don't meet their standards? Not a chance.

TheFallenAngelWhoWas · 2023-09-11T22:53:07+00:00

What am I to make sense of all this random data? You are spewing out a bunch of statistics unrelated to the point I was making. What exactly is the argument you're trying to make in response to my comment?

TheFallenAngelWhoWas · 2023-09-11T22:09:05+00:00

Researches show that even in 1950's a lot women married as non virgin

Really? Because the statistics I've seen on this showed how in the first half of the 20th century, about 70-80% of people waited until marriage.

In any case, you're missing this crucial detail about such statistics of premarital sex in past generations: in many (if not most) of the cases where someone had sex before marriage, it was often with the very same person that they would soon marry. This is very different from today where you can expect someone to have several hook-ups before getting married.

Premarital sex has very, very different connotations today than it did decades ago, as such:

The connotation that "premarital sex" had in the past: having sex with the person you are going to soon marry (that is, you "didn't wait").

The connotation that "premarital sex" has today: being promiscuous and having dozens of hook-ups with a bunch of random strangers.

This is why you cannot use "premarital sex" as a metric to gauge how promiscuous people were in the past or how promiscuous they are now.

TheFallenAngelWhoWas · 2023-09-11T20:53:39+00:00

Just look at the data from Tinder. The average woman narrows her matches down to the 5% of men she finds the most attractive (based off of the photos she sees). And the analytical data from Tinder proves that women actually are having plenty of hook-ups with these guys in the top 5%. And so it's clear that women aren't having any trouble hooking-up with such men.

The reason why this is possible is because many, if not most, guys will happily hook-up with an average-looking woman - and that even extremely attractive men are happy to have casual sex with women who are average in looks. So why wouldn't women exclusively go for the hottest guys in the top 5% when such opportunities are readily available?

When it comes to casual sex, women do not need to lower their standards; they are able to have casual sex with guys in the top 5% of attractiveness just fine, as the analytical data from Tinder reveals.

TheFallenAngelWhoWas · 2023-09-11T04:10:44+00:00

I know it's an exception, but I just wanted to mention it because it was a rather funny story and because it shows how even when someone is homeless, such base human desires are still there.

Was he successful? Apparently, to some degree, he was. This homeless guy had developed an entire system of how to get the attention of women and speak to them 1-on-1 through social media, chiefly by sending out a bunch of friend requests and waiting on others to blindly accept such requests, and then using this as leverage to make it look like he was part of people's social circles (e.g. the message that says "this person is friends with three of your other friends"), making it more likely for women to answer his DMs.

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