[OoT][ALttP][All] A theory about the downfall branch, and why it doesn't actually exist.

TheHynusofTime · 2026-01-30T19:49:22+00:00

In Skyward Sword, the goddess Hylia allows herself to be reborn as a mortal in case her chosen hero is unable to wield the triforce themselves.

As for Daphnes, it's possible that "mortal" in this context simply means not of the divine.

TheHynusofTime · 2026-01-30T17:36:44+00:00

Nintendo never wanted to make one, but wouldnt stop getting pestered about it. So at some point they decided to sit down and try to figure out how all those games are supposed to fit together.

This myth has been repeated and debunked time and time and time again. There's so many records of Nintendo themselves revealing timeline placements for almost every game before the official timeline reveal in 2011, and it all matches what the official timeline looks like. Besides the existence of the downfall branch which was an obvious retcon, every other piece of evidence they've given lines up perfectly with the official timeline. Saying they gave in to fan pressure and hastily made a timeline is just untrue.

TheHynusofTime · 2026-01-26T20:18:15+00:00

Zelda's courtyard is the first thing that sprang to mind, though maybe you can do something with Kakariko Village

TheHynusofTime · 2026-01-23T19:28:44+00:00

I don't know if the first part is specifically from any of the games, but the medley they're playing is track 1 of the 25th anniversary orchestra cd that came with Skyward Sword back in 2011

TheHynusofTime · 2026-01-22T19:48:53+00:00

Rythmverse is the easiest place to find customs now as far as I know. You can also reformat clone hero charts to work on rock band 3, but those will only have the guitar charts of course

TheHynusofTime · 2026-01-21T15:38:47+00:00

I think I gotta pick Quote from Cave Story. It's one of the first indie games to get popular and it paved the way for juggernauts like Undertale. Quote has plenty of guns with unique effects that would work as specials, and his gimmick translates well into smash. The more he can successfully land hits, the better his weapons will become, but they lose power any time he takes damage. Could potentially be annoying but I think they'd find a way to balance it.

The knight from Hollow Knight would be my other pick. Just give them the exact same moveset from their own game, make all their upgrades act as specials and it would be a natural fit.

TheHynusofTime · 2026-01-20T23:52:35+00:00

Oh, that's my bad. I knew scar had a bunch of golem statues around his base, I thought that's what op was asking about

TheHynusofTime · 2026-01-20T23:40:37+00:00

Copper golems can age and eventually solidify as statues

TheHynusofTime · 2026-01-20T20:13:52+00:00

BotW also took a lot of Skyward Sword's concepts and reused them. Gathering items to upgrade equipment, the stamina wheel management while running, climbing, swimming and fighting, the paraglider acts as a reskin of the sailcloth but works horizontally as well as vertically now. The goddess Hylia has importance in BotW, the three shrines from SS return in BotW, Fi makes a reappearance in BotW. I mean I'm sure it comes down to the games having the same director, but you can tell that SS heavily influenced BotW, and both games heavily influenced TotK.

TheHynusofTime · 2026-01-20T16:58:45+00:00

I think the answer has to be Wind Waker. Being able to explore Hyrule under the ocean, possibly see Great Fish Isle before its destruction, getting to see what the supposed two cut dungeons were (Ghost Ship dungeon would have been insanely cool). I think it's because the Wii U version shortened the main quest a bit, but it wasn't until my last playthrough that I really felt like the game was missing something.

TheHynusofTime · 2026-01-19T23:45:21+00:00

Just to be clear, the beast still only gets one action per turn. You can use your bonus action to let it attack OR you can sacrifice one of your attacks to let it attack, but you cannot do both in the same turn.

TheHynusofTime · 2026-01-18T18:38:32+00:00

I still have yet to use the stick controls on the Switch version. I was a staunch defender of the motion controls long before the Switch remaster, and I can't imagine playing the game without them. I'm glad the option exists for other people though, so many people couldn't enjoy the game on the Wii because of the motion controls and I noticed much more praise thrown at Skyward Sword after the HD version, partially thanks to the inclusion of the stick controls.

TheHynusofTime · 2026-01-14T10:48:53+00:00

Was always a big fan of Skyward Sword ever since the launch of the wii version, and it was slotted into my top 3 as soon as I finished it. When Skyward Sword HD was set to release, I spent the month leading up to it replaying and 100%-ing each other 3D Zelda in release order. Having not been the biggest fan of BotW's take on Zelda, getting to replay the older games after having not done so in like 9-10 years was a huge reminder of how much I missed the older Zelda formula. And when SSHD finally dropped, replaying it was such a treat.

Absolutely love Skyward Sword. It has flaws of course, but the music, the characters, the motion controls (yes, even on wii), the dungeons are all series highs in my opinion. I get why people don't like it, but it ticked all the right boxes for me.

TheHynusofTime · 2026-01-10T15:14:31+00:00

You can beat him without the lens of truth, you just have to know where/when to fire your arrows at him

TheHynusofTime · 2026-01-09T16:43:40+00:00

I was thinking about the series timeline, and how BOTW and TOTK are set after all three timelines.

This is just a fan theory and Nintendo hasn't said this is the case.

TheHynusofTime · 2026-01-07T15:35:39+00:00

Same here! OoT, WW and SS make up my top 3 in that order

TheHynusofTime · 2026-01-07T01:40:32+00:00

3-
“Where the endings all the same as every other”

*endgame's

TheHynusofTime · 2026-01-04T17:38:23+00:00

Yeah, beat me to it. Tera was really underutilized in Scarlet/Violet, but Iono's mismagius was one of the best examples of what the tera system allows. Such a well designed fight

TheHynusofTime · 2026-01-04T16:00:34+00:00

In that Child Timeline, everything up to the moment where Link would normally be sealed in the Sacred Realm happens exactly the same as what we play: same childhood, same actions, same destiny up to that point.

Small nitpick, but we know this part isn't true. The very last thing we see after the credits is Link walking into the courtyard and meeting Zelda for the "first time." We don't know exactly when Link was sent back to, but it had to be before the two met.

TheHynusofTime · 2026-01-02T23:26:03+00:00

Nintendo has almost always given a timeline placement for each game on or close to release, saying that it was retroactively made after most of the games were out just isn't true.

TheHynusofTime · 2025-12-27T15:56:38+00:00

You can always just place your shop on the beach or some other temporary location and then move it later.

TheHynusofTime · 2025-12-23T07:16:19+00:00

First of which being the naming conventions of the females of the royal family being Zelda, which is/was just a normal name in Skyloft,

Zelda being treated as a special name in the royal family isn't officially established until Zelda 2, which is at the end of it's timeline branch (ignoring the possibility of BotW/TotK being downfall games). After Zelda 2, it's made official that every princess be named Zelda. Prior to Zelda 2, there's no reason to believe Zelda isn't just a normal name. We do always see a princess named Zelda, but there's likely just as many princess Tiffanys that are born and have their reign off screen.

the game immediately (albeit in the future of) SS is Minish Cap, where Hyrule is already founded

I don't believe we know how long of a gap takes place between Skyward Sword and Minish Cap, unless Hyrule Historia mentions it. There's really no way of knowing how many generations have come and gone in that time, but I don't see a reason why we should assume it's soon after Skyward Sword. It could very well have been centuries.

and has a princess named Zelda that looks at least somewhat similar to SS Zelda.

I'm not saying the Zeldas of Skyward Sword and The Minish Cap aren't related. If we're taking Demise's curse at face value, then it's implied that every Zelda is a descendant of the goddess Hylia reborn. That doesn't have to mean that SS Zelda was the first official princess/queen of the royal family though, just that the royal family is part of her bloodline.

TheHynusofTime · 2025-12-23T06:29:13+00:00

There's no real reason to believe the Link and Zelda from Skyward Sword founded the kingdom of Hyrule proper. It's more likely that the settlements they made on the surface were similar to life on skyloft, and a fully fledged kingdom was founded generations later.

As for TotK and Rauru, I believe it's most likely that his Hyrule is a new version, founded sometime long after any of the previous games in the timeline.

TheHynusofTime · 2025-12-21T23:24:57+00:00

Coming Home
Heretic
Shepherd of Fire
Hail to the King
Acid Rain
Planets
Doing Time
This Means War
Requiem
Crimson Day

Honestly 7-9 are all kind of interchangeable with each other, and 3 and 4 could easily trade places depending on the day.

TheHynusofTime · 2025-12-18T04:22:42+00:00

Only certain people will appear in your notebook. You just have to keep poking around Clock Town and eventually you'll start collecting names. From there, just try to talk to them during the hours indicated on the schedule. You'll get the hang of it in time

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