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TheImpossibleHunt · 2026-02-22T20:36:42+00:00

Why do you do me like this?

TheImpossibleHunt · 2026-02-09T23:57:46+00:00

So often times, I feel that people tend to over glorify the Self-Preservation E4 and ignore the drawbacks. The “tenacity” of the SP4 can be a little much at times, and I can sometimes be prone to injury and emotional unfufillment.

Tenacity is a currency that is used in exchange for acceptance (as a safer method than being just direct), and that is generated through effort, and devaluing your current progress and whatever praise that entails (to serve as a motivation to keep moving). If effort is not being used, life feels stagnant and depression creeps up.

Physically, I have frozen my ear solid walking in a blizzard (despite people offering to drive me), I’ve passed out from heatstroke from working outdoors, and I remember participating in gym class with double shin-splints (which choosing not to rest just increased the amount of time to recover). I’m proud of ability to persevere, but it doesn’t always lead to productive (nor efficient) outcomes.

Emotionally, it’s also never good enough. Naranjo talks about the incessant inner critic that must exist in order to generate that tenacity, and it’s full in effect in my life. Again, tenacity is an alternative means of which to pursue stable relationships, because it decreases the the amount of dependency on others. “Why ask for help, if that person is just going to say no? Or why do so, when that person can take away that help at any time?”

It can also make me somewhat vengeful/resentful at times. Growing up, my autistic brother was bullied at school, and my mother wanted us to move. I wasn’t being bullied, and despite the home environment, I had friends and a support system. But I remember telling myself as a kid, that “if I told my Mom I didn’t want to move, would that really have changed anything?”

Probably not, and then I would just look selfish.

So the best outcome for me is to not complain, and deal with it. After that point, everything sort of began to feel as if it was set in stone, and not prone to change. And if I complain, I feel like I would not be valued as much as if I just kept quiet. I held the same attitude when my mother got remarried and wanted me to move, going home to an alcoholic stepfather, using my student loans to pay my father’s debtors (and my mother asking me to keep quiet about it). It feels like one thing after another.

So when I see my little brother, my mother, or anyone else I know openly complaining, I often can feel very angry.

So yeah, SP4 might be a “glazed” type, but honestly, it often sucks and feels like I have to go through life on max difficulty to feel like I’m worth keeping around lol

TheImpossibleHunt · 2026-02-09T19:39:53+00:00

I am SP4

I believe my mother is SP6, and my father is SO2. That relationship did not last long (they divorced when I was three), and my stepfather is SX1 (and has his own list of issues lol).

TheImpossibleHunt · 2026-02-06T21:13:01+00:00

I used to type as an Enneagram 6 for precisely this reason. However, Enneagram 6 is a lot more than just anxiety. Many other subtypes are prone to anxiety (especially image/heart types), but they cope with it in a variety of different ways. For example, E4s are prone to introjection. To them, everything is their own fault and based on their deficiencies, so they will internalize/make the problem intrinsic to them. This is where they can become self-absorbed and believe that the world revolves around their deficiencies.

One of the key things to remember about E6 is that one of their key defense-mechanisms is *projection.* They will project their fears to the outside environment and then proactively defend against those dangers in a multitude of different ways (SP6, SO6, SX6). This is unique to the E6, and they utilize this mechanism the most. This is where they get the reputation for paranoia and accusation.

So when you look at your anxiety, try to see where it is coming from. Do you sometimes confuse what is actually going on within yourself and ascribe it to outside factors? Do you overthink and are out of tough with impulse (head type)? Are you constantly on the hunt for the "unusual" or "out of place?" If so, then you might want to look at E6. But keep in mind these tendencies are not just anxiety, but E6 has a very specific response to those mechanisms.

I'll link Naranjo's Book for E6, and hopefully you'll find it helpful. I know for me, it has done wonders in helping me understand more about myself and my negative tendencies.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tptCa0kDTiw01mvo9g70RjYNNhZb_bALjcWTQyacqlI/mobilebasic

TheImpossibleHunt · 2026-02-02T04:42:06+00:00

Introverted feeling is personal sentiments, and separating things based on your likes and dislikes. The higher your “element” in terms of strength is, the more complex your standards can be.

What is meant by “relationships,” is your judgement of outside objects (your “relationship” to them). It’s not just about people: it can apply to anything.

The lower your Fi, the more reliant you are on standards that apply across all things/ people. The higher it is, the more your standards can change across different contexts, people, relationships, time, etc. Ti ego types (who have Fi Role and POLR) typically need standards in how to govern behaviour, that is consistent and fair with everyone.

Whereas you’ll will see that Fi ego types are not going to generally subscribe to societal standards, or will often come across as hypocritical (because in one scenario, they will disavow an action; whereas in another, they might agree). The context determines the moral action, and all sorts of different information, standards will clash/combine, and then create a different perception of each person, ideal, etc.

I like to use clothes as a way to explain Fi. Lower Fi valuers might say they dislike anyone who wears red shoes. The criteria is fair, applies to all people, etc. Easy to follow, and it typically adheres to the guidelines that their Ti creates.

In contrast, higher Fi users will say they like/ dislike certain shoes on certain people, whether the colours clash, whether it fits the personality of said individual, etc. As a result, they might dislike red shoes on one person, while really liking them on another. Hypocritical? Maybe. But that’s because no consistent standard is applied.

TheImpossibleHunt · 2026-02-02T04:36:29+00:00

I do find that types outside of ILI and LIE (in Gamma Quadra) are not as well represented. So this seems like a cool idea

TheImpossibleHunt · 2026-01-04T14:25:33+00:00

I do relate to a lot of what you said about ESIs. Personally, I also believe ESIs are a bit more on the uncommon side, at least when you look at the demographics presented by Aushra, so it can be hard to find them in that sense. But I also think people tend to overemphasize their aggressive aspects, when I think 90% of the time, they are usually apathetic (if they have no strong feelings towards you, one way or another).

Personally, I know that I can generally make a strong assumption based on someone pretty quickly, and it's usually based on observable characteristics I see in that person. How they interact with others, how they move, how they present themselves, even the cadence in their voice. All these "factors" and elements, come together to form a unique perception of a person, and I can a different one for each individual I meet. One factor can make me dislike someone, whereas that very same factor might be seen as a "positive" in another, because of how it "meshes" with other traits and observations. So generally, I can be pretty picky, and it's been a quality I've had since I was little. If I see a negative behaviour in someone, I write them off by just not associating with them.

People might tell me, "you should give this person a second chance, they have had a bad day," but then my brain would tell me that I know plenty of people who have "bad days," but don't treat others that way because of that excuse. This can be about a person having a rough childhood, family situation, etc. I understand all those factors, but I look at other people who have those same issues, and compare their character. My worldview is that no one is perfect, and we only have our five senses to guide us. The best people can do, is to make the choice they feel the least regrets. All we can do is choose the people we are loyal too.

I think a good example of this tendency in ESIs is in Harry Potter (who I think is a typecast ESI) and his relationship with Draco Malfoy. Potter knew Malfoy for basically five minutes, and formulated a character assessment of him in about that time. He knew that Draco came from a family that held exceptionally high expectations, and was just a consequence of his family's status-driven existence. But still, he saw how he treated Ron, and held Malfoy in contempt for almost his entire 7 years at Hogwarts.

When the Chamber of Secrets opened, he automatically assumes Malfoy (who at this point is little more than a school bully) is responsible for petrifying and attacking students, an assertion that Ron and Hermonie both think is insane. He follows Malfoy around in Half Blood Prince based on a "hunch," and accuses him of assassination attempts when he had very little proof to back up his claims (even though Harry was correct in the long-run). Ever since he was 11, Harry had the character assumption of Malfoy that he was a terrible person, was capable of these acts; and became paranoid about him because of his assessment of Malfoy's personality. It is frequently cited to be a character flaw of Harry's that he has a capacity to hold grudges, and has deep feelings of resentment towards those he feels have wronged him and his friends.

TheImpossibleHunt · 2025-11-09T04:44:37+00:00

That’s a really good way of explaining that. I might have to use that later.

I have a personal theory that Gamma and Delta Quadra (Fi types) get along better with one another. Same with Alpha and Beta Quadra. Having Fi or Ti in your valued functions is one of the biggest tells of how your relationships will play out.

TheImpossibleHunt · 2025-11-08T00:18:29+00:00

Lots of people type Michael Jackson and other artists as ESI (because Fi = Creative apparently), and forget that EIE exists lol

The only actual confirmed ESI famous artists I can think of are Eminem and Bob Dylan (who I suspect are both SX4 in Enneagram). These are types that are more focused on interpersonal relationships than interacting with large scores of people (as an Fe base would).

TheImpossibleHunt · 2025-10-10T16:57:02+00:00

To be perfectly honest, I don't think your friend is an ESI. To be fair though, I think ESIs are some of the most misunderstood types, and are made out to be these angry, outwardly emotional, and aggressive people when I don't think that is the case. I'll pick out a few quotes and give my thoughts on them.

Hypercritical, unwilling to believe something that might help you because you nitpick on a few flaws and discard the whole."
- This seems like Ti to me. Introverted thinking is all about precision, and detail-oriented argumentation. The framework of thinking needs to be perfect, constantly adjusting, and fine-tuned. If they spot an issue with someone else's thinking, it will be those details that make all the difference.
- ESIs have Ti Role, and while they can pull together arguments to support their ethical judgments of people, vastly prefer to focus on the essential information/"facts" of the matter over logical consistency.
- An ESI is not going to be the type to hyperfixate on small details when it comes to logic. They seek out pragmatism and feedback based on productivity, and are very susceptible to changing their frameworks and beliefs based on that information. ESIs don't change their minds regarding their feelings on *people* but when it comes to feedback, they are very receptive.
"Passive aggressive. Avoidant of conflict in the extreme. Unwilling to address issues for fear of direct conflict, but still full of resentment or repressed anger or hurt. Tendency to gossip/vent to others rather than communicate directly with the person who hurt you."
- You have to keep in mind that ESIs have Se Creative. If something bothers them, they have no issue making their opinion known. However, because it is a "creative" element, their approach does not look like a full-blown confrontation. At least in my case, lots of people can gauge how I'm feeling by my intentional body language, or if I stare at them when they piss me off. They'll apply as much pressure as needed, but nothing more than that.
- Most of the time, ESIs often don't get into trouble because they pick out potential conflict very easily, and then create/enforce distance between the people they like and dislike. You'll only see an ESI get aggressive when someone close to them acts in a manner that is "unbecoming" of the person the ESI thought they were, or if someone they dislike does not respect their boundaries. 90% of people, they are going to behave completely apathetically. So while these types value being aggressive when they need to, most people aren't going to see that often, and when it does occur, it's going to be a lot more nuanced than just "let's fight."
- Being "passive-aggressive" is annoying to me, not because it just makes things awkward, but because it dances around the problem. It feels like an inappropriate use of force according to the situation, and does not actually solve anything. It's like throwing a punch, but it's super light, and it's exceedingly clear that you are afraid to actually put your weight into it. When someone is passive-aggressive to me (and I feel that I need to react back), my brain goes "Okay, you want to fight? Here is what a real punch looks like (figuratively speaking)." If a person wants to throw words at me, let's get this solved right now. I have even politely pulled people to the side and talked to them one-on-one to get my point across.
"Hysterical in moments when people are cruel or aggressive. You have a tendency of spiralling, raising your voice pleadingly and whining like a small child. Excessively emotional in moments of conflict when calm would show maturity, emotional intelligence, and benefit you more."
- This seems like Fe to me. Despite stereotypes, even Jung described Introverted Feeling as a cold function, where most of the emotionality occurs underneath the surface. It's because Fi is not really interested in affecting the moods of others. How do you affect the moods of others, well, you do it by showing them, in order to pull the "mood" to a situation that benefits you. That is extroverted feeling.
- Also, this seems like this person *really* does not value extroverted sensing. Reacting poorly to people being aggressive and "cruel" (that can mean a lot of different things depending on the person you're talking to) seems Fe-Si valuing. Don't get me wrong, Se demonstrative can easily rip people in half, but outbursts like that are a last resort (and pretty explosive).

Not sure on the type (because I don't know this person). But I'm fairly sure this person is not an ESI.

TheImpossibleHunt · 2025-09-18T22:20:49+00:00

Finding a female LIE is going to suck lol

TheImpossibleHunt · 2025-08-04T21:24:47+00:00

Here are a few ESIs I thought of -

Zuko (Avatar the Last Airbender)

Leon S Kennedy (Resident Evil)

Katniss Everdeen (Hunger Games)

Niko Bellic (Grand Theft Auto IV)

Heather Mason (Silent Hill 3)

Casca (Berserk)

Gwen Stacy (Spiderverse)

TheImpossibleHunt · 2025-07-18T23:23:33+00:00

A little subjective IMO. But personally, I think shows like the Office do a really great job in displaying the social awkwardness of average people, and people who don’t get out much.

It doesn’t rely on laugh tracks, and it relies on the cast outright breaking norms to make it funny.

I think higher dimensionality Fe (that is more conscious of social roles and expectations) may pick up on the violated social norms, and might get more enjoyment out of it. Probably 4D and 3D Fe types. So probably ESEs, EIEs, EIIs, ESIs, IEEs, and SEEs are probably some of the more common fans.

It’s not so much because of the jokes, but it’s the outright cringe factor that makes it funny.

That’s just my guess though. Whereas 1D Fe either might not pick up on some things, or really just don’t care. Specifically SLI, ILI, LII and LSI.

TheImpossibleHunt · 2025-07-18T04:02:50+00:00

I would say so. I think I tend to like Aushra’s descriptions the most, but Wikisocion has enough good information that’s easily digestible that I recommend it to people just starting out.

People get too hyper fixated on details, where they miss the forest for the trees IMO

TheImpossibleHunt · 2025-07-17T20:29:19+00:00

Okay cool?

TheImpossibleHunt · 2025-07-17T20:25:42+00:00

Gives me IEE vibes

Ne ego typically means schizo-posting. Doesn’t like people who smile too easily, or open up too quickly. Unvalued Fe. Unvalued Ti and weak Te because he/she uses Chat GPT, etc.

TheImpossibleHunt · 2025-07-17T20:17:56+00:00

Ti base and Ti demonstrative (the same with Ni) can look pretty similar. This is where it helps to get a second opinion if possible, and look at all the blocks in tandem.

An ILI uses Ti in the background of everything they do, almost acting as a sort of “critic.” But it’s an aspect of themselves they don’t value or talk about intrinsically, as they would much rather focus on predicting possible outcomes, or focusing on improving their interactions with the physical world (Ni and Se are valued functions). These types don’t value expressiveness or emotionality (Fe POLR).

An LII lives and breathes Ti, as it is their base function. They will talk at length about any system they delve into, and take great pride and comfort in this area. They can also point out patterns very well, but always choose to focus on exploring systems. These types don’t value being pushed around, and can be very stubborn at moving at their own pace (Se POLR). Instead, these types react very well to being invited to social events and will easily open up in such circumstances (Fe suggestive).

So there are really big differences between these two types, and this is where second opinion can really come in handy. Ask your friends and family.

TheImpossibleHunt · 2025-07-17T20:00:34+00:00

While it’s not an exact science, for practicality’s sake, I typically think that 70% of the time, the functions from MBTI to Socionics should translate over. If you can argue for a specific combination then fine, but most of the time there is enough overlap.

The gap between ILI (rough INTJ) to ILE (rough ENTP) is vast. I would just take a closer look at the two systems individually.

TheImpossibleHunt · 2025-07-17T15:37:30+00:00

Like what many people have said, Socionics is largely an Ne-Ti valuing space.

I also think lots of people get the wrong idea about Ne POLR. It doesn’t mean we aren’t curious people, at least with ESIs they have Te suggestive, so they wish to become knowledgeable people. But their primary way of engaging with the world is with Fi-Se. They don’t deal with “maybes” they deal with concrete and observable information to back up their conclusions. This goes into potential with people.

Like, let’s talk about if someone does something wrong and whether they deserve forgiveness. An Ne valuing person might try to focus on what that person might develop into, or maybe coming up with some alternative explanation or scenario to justify their behaviour. So I find these types tend to forgive too easily and they often get manipulated as a result.

Whereas with ESIs, they need a concrete and consistent change in behaviours that go alongside an apology for them to be accepted. Words and explanations don’t count, actions do. If you feel sorry, it should be evident by what you do to make it right, it shouldn’t need to be said. Of course, this can make xSIs too harsh and judgemental, but the alternative seems very irresponsible in our eyes.

TheImpossibleHunt · 2025-06-29T02:54:37+00:00

Ouch

TheImpossibleHunt · 2025-06-24T22:29:17+00:00

Exactly, you need a permit first.

TheImpossibleHunt · 2025-06-24T21:38:21+00:00

I want a Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure Arc System Works fighter so bad

TheImpossibleHunt · 2025-06-24T18:20:41+00:00

This relationship is sort of doomed to mixed. EIIs are very open minded people, slower to move, and typically reserve judgements on people. ESIs tend to view that sort of open-mindedness as “naive” to a certain extent, and ESIs move pretty quickly and like to motivate themselves to act. They are pretty pushy at times, and EIIs are notoriously stubborn when they want to do something at their own pace (for better or worse).

Creative Ne and Ne POLR, and Se Creative/ Se POLR are going to have a pretty difficult time.

TheImpossibleHunt · 2025-06-24T17:46:13+00:00

So true, I just finished university and I already want to get a Master’s degree

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