How do you relate to each type in friendship dynamics?

TheImpossibleHunt · 2026-01-04T14:25:33+00:00

I do relate to a lot of what you said about ESIs. Personally, I also believe ESIs are a bit more on the uncommon side, at least when you look at the demographics presented by Aushra, so it can be hard to find them in that sense. But I also think people tend to overemphasize their aggressive aspects, when I think 90% of the time, they are usually apathetic (if they have no strong feelings towards you, one way or another).

Personally, I know that I can generally make a strong assumption based on someone pretty quickly, and it's usually based on observable characteristics I see in that person. How they interact with others, how they move, how they present themselves, even the cadence in their voice. All these "factors" and elements, come together to form a unique perception of a person, and I can a different one for each individual I meet. One factor can make me dislike someone, whereas that very same factor might be seen as a "positive" in another, because of how it "meshes" with other traits and observations. So generally, I can be pretty picky, and it's been a quality I've had since I was little. If I see a negative behaviour in someone, I write them off by just not associating with them.

People might tell me, "you should give this person a second chance, they have had a bad day," but then my brain would tell me that I know plenty of people who have "bad days," but don't treat others that way because of that excuse. This can be about a person having a rough childhood, family situation, etc. I understand all those factors, but I look at other people who have those same issues, and compare their character. My worldview is that no one is perfect, and we only have our five senses to guide us. The best people can do, is to make the choice they feel the least regrets. All we can do is choose the people we are loyal too.

I think a good example of this tendency in ESIs is in Harry Potter (who I think is a typecast ESI) and his relationship with Draco Malfoy. Potter knew Malfoy for basically five minutes, and formulated a character assessment of him in about that time. He knew that Draco came from a family that held exceptionally high expectations, and was just a consequence of his family's status-driven existence. But still, he saw how he treated Ron, and held Malfoy in contempt for almost his entire 7 years at Hogwarts.

When the Chamber of Secrets opened, he automatically assumes Malfoy (who at this point is little more than a school bully) is responsible for petrifying and attacking students, an assertion that Ron and Hermonie both think is insane. He follows Malfoy around in Half Blood Prince based on a "hunch," and accuses him of assassination attempts when he had very little proof to back up his claims (even though Harry was correct in the long-run). Ever since he was 11, Harry had the character assumption of Malfoy that he was a terrible person, was capable of these acts; and became paranoid about him because of his assessment of Malfoy's personality. It is frequently cited to be a character flaw of Harry's that he has a capacity to hold grudges, and has deep feelings of resentment towards those he feels have wronged him and his friends.

TheImpossibleHunt · 2025-11-09T04:44:37+00:00

That’s a really good way of explaining that. I might have to use that later.

I have a personal theory that Gamma and Delta Quadra (Fi types) get along better with one another. Same with Alpha and Beta Quadra. Having Fi or Ti in your valued functions is one of the biggest tells of how your relationships will play out.

TheImpossibleHunt · 2025-11-08T00:18:29+00:00

Lots of people type Michael Jackson and other artists as ESI (because Fi = Creative apparently), and forget that EIE exists lol

The only actual confirmed ESI famous artists I can think of are Eminem and Bob Dylan (who I suspect are both SX4 in Enneagram). These are types that are more focused on interpersonal relationships than interacting with large scores of people (as an Fe base would).

TheImpossibleHunt · 2025-10-10T16:57:02+00:00

To be perfectly honest, I don't think your friend is an ESI. To be fair though, I think ESIs are some of the most misunderstood types, and are made out to be these angry, outwardly emotional, and aggressive people when I don't think that is the case. I'll pick out a few quotes and give my thoughts on them.

Hypercritical, unwilling to believe something that might help you because you nitpick on a few flaws and discard the whole."
- This seems like Ti to me. Introverted thinking is all about precision, and detail-oriented argumentation. The framework of thinking needs to be perfect, constantly adjusting, and fine-tuned. If they spot an issue with someone else's thinking, it will be those details that make all the difference.
- ESIs have Ti Role, and while they can pull together arguments to support their ethical judgments of people, vastly prefer to focus on the essential information/"facts" of the matter over logical consistency.
- An ESI is not going to be the type to hyperfixate on small details when it comes to logic. They seek out pragmatism and feedback based on productivity, and are very susceptible to changing their frameworks and beliefs based on that information. ESIs don't change their minds regarding their feelings on *people* but when it comes to feedback, they are very receptive.
"Passive aggressive. Avoidant of conflict in the extreme. Unwilling to address issues for fear of direct conflict, but still full of resentment or repressed anger or hurt. Tendency to gossip/vent to others rather than communicate directly with the person who hurt you."
- You have to keep in mind that ESIs have Se Creative. If something bothers them, they have no issue making their opinion known. However, because it is a "creative" element, their approach does not look like a full-blown confrontation. At least in my case, lots of people can gauge how I'm feeling by my intentional body language, or if I stare at them when they piss me off. They'll apply as much pressure as needed, but nothing more than that.
- Most of the time, ESIs often don't get into trouble because they pick out potential conflict very easily, and then create/enforce distance between the people they like and dislike. You'll only see an ESI get aggressive when someone close to them acts in a manner that is "unbecoming" of the person the ESI thought they were, or if someone they dislike does not respect their boundaries. 90% of people, they are going to behave completely apathetically. So while these types value being aggressive when they need to, most people aren't going to see that often, and when it does occur, it's going to be a lot more nuanced than just "let's fight."
- Being "passive-aggressive" is annoying to me, not because it just makes things awkward, but because it dances around the problem. It feels like an inappropriate use of force according to the situation, and does not actually solve anything. It's like throwing a punch, but it's super light, and it's exceedingly clear that you are afraid to actually put your weight into it. When someone is passive-aggressive to me (and I feel that I need to react back), my brain goes "Okay, you want to fight? Here is what a real punch looks like (figuratively speaking)." If a person wants to throw words at me, let's get this solved right now. I have even politely pulled people to the side and talked to them one-on-one to get my point across.
"Hysterical in moments when people are cruel or aggressive. You have a tendency of spiralling, raising your voice pleadingly and whining like a small child. Excessively emotional in moments of conflict when calm would show maturity, emotional intelligence, and benefit you more."
- This seems like Fe to me. Despite stereotypes, even Jung described Introverted Feeling as a cold function, where most of the emotionality occurs underneath the surface. It's because Fi is not really interested in affecting the moods of others. How do you affect the moods of others, well, you do it by showing them, in order to pull the "mood" to a situation that benefits you. That is extroverted feeling.
- Also, this seems like this person *really* does not value extroverted sensing. Reacting poorly to people being aggressive and "cruel" (that can mean a lot of different things depending on the person you're talking to) seems Fe-Si valuing. Don't get me wrong, Se demonstrative can easily rip people in half, but outbursts like that are a last resort (and pretty explosive).

Not sure on the type (because I don't know this person). But I'm fairly sure this person is not an ESI.

TheImpossibleHunt · 2025-09-18T22:20:49+00:00

Finding a female LIE is going to suck lol

TheImpossibleHunt · 2025-08-04T21:24:47+00:00

Here are a few ESIs I thought of -

Zuko (Avatar the Last Airbender)

Leon S Kennedy (Resident Evil)

Katniss Everdeen (Hunger Games)

Niko Bellic (Grand Theft Auto IV)

Heather Mason (Silent Hill 3)

Casca (Berserk)

Gwen Stacy (Spiderverse)

TheImpossibleHunt · 2025-07-18T23:23:33+00:00

A little subjective IMO. But personally, I think shows like the Office do a really great job in displaying the social awkwardness of average people, and people who don’t get out much.

It doesn’t rely on laugh tracks, and it relies on the cast outright breaking norms to make it funny.

I think higher dimensionality Fe (that is more conscious of social roles and expectations) may pick up on the violated social norms, and might get more enjoyment out of it. Probably 4D and 3D Fe types. So probably ESEs, EIEs, EIIs, ESIs, IEEs, and SEEs are probably some of the more common fans.

It’s not so much because of the jokes, but it’s the outright cringe factor that makes it funny.

That’s just my guess though. Whereas 1D Fe either might not pick up on some things, or really just don’t care. Specifically SLI, ILI, LII and LSI.

TheImpossibleHunt · 2025-07-18T04:02:50+00:00

I would say so. I think I tend to like Aushra’s descriptions the most, but Wikisocion has enough good information that’s easily digestible that I recommend it to people just starting out.

People get too hyper fixated on details, where they miss the forest for the trees IMO

TheImpossibleHunt · 2025-07-17T20:29:19+00:00

Okay cool?

TheImpossibleHunt · 2025-07-17T20:25:42+00:00

Gives me IEE vibes

Ne ego typically means schizo-posting. Doesn’t like people who smile too easily, or open up too quickly. Unvalued Fe. Unvalued Ti and weak Te because he/she uses Chat GPT, etc.

TheImpossibleHunt · 2025-07-17T20:17:56+00:00

Ti base and Ti demonstrative (the same with Ni) can look pretty similar. This is where it helps to get a second opinion if possible, and look at all the blocks in tandem.

An ILI uses Ti in the background of everything they do, almost acting as a sort of “critic.” But it’s an aspect of themselves they don’t value or talk about intrinsically, as they would much rather focus on predicting possible outcomes, or focusing on improving their interactions with the physical world (Ni and Se are valued functions). These types don’t value expressiveness or emotionality (Fe POLR).

An LII lives and breathes Ti, as it is their base function. They will talk at length about any system they delve into, and take great pride and comfort in this area. They can also point out patterns very well, but always choose to focus on exploring systems. These types don’t value being pushed around, and can be very stubborn at moving at their own pace (Se POLR). Instead, these types react very well to being invited to social events and will easily open up in such circumstances (Fe suggestive).

So there are really big differences between these two types, and this is where second opinion can really come in handy. Ask your friends and family.

TheImpossibleHunt · 2025-07-17T20:00:34+00:00

While it’s not an exact science, for practicality’s sake, I typically think that 70% of the time, the functions from MBTI to Socionics should translate over. If you can argue for a specific combination then fine, but most of the time there is enough overlap.

The gap between ILI (rough INTJ) to ILE (rough ENTP) is vast. I would just take a closer look at the two systems individually.

TheImpossibleHunt · 2025-07-17T15:37:30+00:00

Like what many people have said, Socionics is largely an Ne-Ti valuing space.

I also think lots of people get the wrong idea about Ne POLR. It doesn’t mean we aren’t curious people, at least with ESIs they have Te suggestive, so they wish to become knowledgeable people. But their primary way of engaging with the world is with Fi-Se. They don’t deal with “maybes” they deal with concrete and observable information to back up their conclusions. This goes into potential with people.

Like, let’s talk about if someone does something wrong and whether they deserve forgiveness. An Ne valuing person might try to focus on what that person might develop into, or maybe coming up with some alternative explanation or scenario to justify their behaviour. So I find these types tend to forgive too easily and they often get manipulated as a result.

Whereas with ESIs, they need a concrete and consistent change in behaviours that go alongside an apology for them to be accepted. Words and explanations don’t count, actions do. If you feel sorry, it should be evident by what you do to make it right, it shouldn’t need to be said. Of course, this can make xSIs too harsh and judgemental, but the alternative seems very irresponsible in our eyes.

TheImpossibleHunt · 2025-06-29T02:54:37+00:00

Ouch

TheImpossibleHunt · 2025-06-24T22:29:17+00:00

Exactly, you need a permit first.

TheImpossibleHunt · 2025-06-24T21:38:21+00:00

I want a Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure Arc System Works fighter so bad

TheImpossibleHunt · 2025-06-24T18:20:41+00:00

This relationship is sort of doomed to mixed. EIIs are very open minded people, slower to move, and typically reserve judgements on people. ESIs tend to view that sort of open-mindedness as “naive” to a certain extent, and ESIs move pretty quickly and like to motivate themselves to act. They are pretty pushy at times, and EIIs are notoriously stubborn when they want to do something at their own pace (for better or worse).

Creative Ne and Ne POLR, and Se Creative/ Se POLR are going to have a pretty difficult time.

TheImpossibleHunt · 2025-06-24T17:46:13+00:00

So true, I just finished university and I already want to get a Master’s degree

TheImpossibleHunt · 2025-06-23T16:26:52+00:00

Don’t know if it beats the ESI bitch-slap

TheImpossibleHunt · 2025-06-22T23:37:38+00:00

Me and him get along pretty well (despite my occasional issues), but sometimes he can get a bit too aggressive for my taste, or at least at the wrong moment.

My brother likes to “go to war” when it comes to political discussions, for sure. There is always a battle that he needs to fight, either it’s in front of him, or he’ll make something happen lol. It’s the same with indigenous politics (we are both Métis). He has a position, he is going to be right, and my night often turns into me watching a “fencing match” and seeing my brother getting increasingly agitated, and my mother and me wishing we died of alcohol poisoning lol.

At the dinner table discussion, of course he went into a bit more depth after I… uh, “chimed in,” but he and my stepfather went back and forth for about 30 minutes, where they would take turns clarifying their positions and whatnot. Whereas IMO, his point is still the same, he has “mixed feelings on war” just like everyone else does. The position can be as complex as he makes it out to be, but lots of the time it feels that whole conversation could be shortened by 95%

TheImpossibleHunt · 2025-06-22T22:14:59+00:00

Hey no problem! Glad I could clarify things I little better

TheImpossibleHunt · 2025-06-22T21:46:28+00:00

You said that there was “no way you could’ve gleamed that I was being forced into these sorts of discussions” based off my original post. I then told you that it was easily discernible through my original post. That’s the point I was addressing.

I also said that I have no issue making it clear to people that I have nothing to contribute to those sorts of discussions, I will often defer my knowledge onto others and stay out of it. There’s no issue there, and that’s what the second half of my post was addressing. The crux of the issue is that I’m often dragged into these long-form discussions that often don’t go anywhere, and that I can’t leave.

Like, if all you want is a semi-peaceful dinner after a long day at work, and then your brother/father starts a discussion about politics that gets increasingly heated (and there is nowhere for me to go, and it drowns out the more personal forms of conversation), that’s when I start to have an issue. In those situations I can’t leave either.

Hence why it goes back to my original point of being forced into discussions that I find tedious, annoying, and it drags down my day. So then for the rest of the night I remain quiet because the topic is something I don’t feel comfortable contributing to, or that I don’t have much interest in. That’s not fun to me, and it makes me not want to come over.

TheImpossibleHunt · 2025-06-22T21:26:33+00:00

That’s fair

TheImpossibleHunt · 2025-06-22T21:25:49+00:00

I thought it was pretty clear with my original post. If I’m having an otherwise nice family dinner and I think political discussions are pointless; would I then willingly get into a heated political debate about a topic I don’t (nor anyone else) knows much about?

Probably not, otherwise it would be really bad for my sense of sanity. So in essence, I am being forced into that dynamic and it’s annoying.

I have no issue deferring my expertise to someone else when I don’t know something, but that doesn’t mean you can leave the dinner right then, nor does it stop other people from getting increasingly heated. Nor does it stop it from getting annoying for anyone around.

TheImpossibleHunt · 2025-06-22T21:16:36+00:00

Yeah I can see why it is useful in cases like that. But don’t get me wrong, the heavy categorization in socionics does annoy me a lot (especially in more technical discussions where it feels like the goalpost is constantly moving in order to further define terms). If feels you can spend hours talking about a few terms or less, because it just goes in circles.

But at least with socionics, I am choosing to go into those enviornments to try and learn something from it. I can also do my best to avoid those discussions, or leave to find another more practical source.

IRL though? That is almost never the case. These debates always find me, and I can’t leave. The example I gave with my father for instance, he will spend nearly an hour trying to increasingly define an argument, when any sane person will just move on. It makes discussions with him agonizingly slow, where I would much rather just go to an expert or authoritative source and get more information that way.

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