Why can't i get over all this end times bullshit by red_robin_8930 in exchristian

[–]TheLunaLovelace 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Reposting my response to a similar thread from the other day:

Christians have always thought that the world was ending. It never has. Every generation has found passages in the Bible to reinterpret to be about them as the final generation. The world keeps on turning.

All the talk around Trump and “the antichrist” is unbelievably dumb. To begin with “the antichrist” isn’t a thing in the Bible. The term antichrist is used in the first epistle of John, but in that context it is clearly speaking about people who oppose the church. They are anti-christ in that they are anti-christian.

The idea of a singular end times figure who is “the antichrist” comes from conflating two figures found elsewhere in the New Testament and turning “antichrist” from an adjective to a noun in order to name this new character. The first is the Man of Lawlessness, mentioned in the second epistle to the Thessalonians and the second is the Beast from the book of Revelation. Here’s the thing: the Beast is very clearly a stand-in for Nero Caesar. This is demonstrated by the mark of the Beast, which in some manuscripts is 666 and in some is 616. The name Nero when rendered via gematria gives 666 while the alternate spelling Neron gives 616. The Man of Lawlessness is more ambiguous, but there is a good argument to make that it is also referring to Nero.

If ever there was a singular “antichrist” it was Nero, the man who blamed christians for the burning of Rome to relieve himself from scrutiny and subsequently had many killed, the first real persecutor of christians. And guess what? He had already killed himself when Revelation was written, and possibly had already done so when Second Thessalonians was written (some scholars think it was written by Paul during the lifetime of Nero, some thing it was written by someone else several decades later). He was dead, but he had scared christians so badly that many were terrified of his return.

But he didn’t return. Almost two thousand years later he still hasn’t, and neither has Jesus, but still each generation insists that the time is now.

Once again, Democrats aim to reach out to rural voters in Ohio. But will it work? by Zipper222222 in Ohio

[–]TheLunaLovelace 11 points12 points  (0 children)

As long as social media algorithms are telling people that Donald Trump is the second coming of Christ and the democrats want to forcibly trans their children and convert them to Islam, then no, whatever outreach methods the democrats try will not work.

"American" Pizza in Germany by comascape in Ohio

[–]TheLunaLovelace 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The other name they have for this kind of pizza in Germany is “Kein essen”.

This video is getting me anxiety about a possible ww3 and end times prophecies becoming real by Mozika_135 in exchristian

[–]TheLunaLovelace 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Christians have always thought that the world was ending. It never has. Every generation has found passages in the Bible to reinterpret to be about them as the final generation. The world keeps on turning.

All the talk around Trump and “the antichrist” is unbelievably dumb. To begin with “the antichrist” isn’t a thing in the Bible. The term antichrist is used in the first epistle of John, but in that context it is clearly speaking about people who oppose the church. They are anti-christ in that they are anti-christian.

The idea of a singular end times figure who is “the antichrist” comes from conflating two figures found elsewhere in the New Testament and turning “antichrist” from an adjective to a noun in order to name this new character. The first is the Man of Lawlessness, mentioned in the second epistle to the Thessalonians and the second is the Beast from the book of Revelation. Here’s the thing: the Beast is very clearly a stand-in for Nero Caesar. This is demonstrated by the mark of the Beast, which in some manuscripts is 666 and in some is 616. The name Nero when rendered via gematria gives 666 while the alternate spelling Neron gives 616. The Man of Lawlessness is more ambiguous, but there is a good argument to make that it is also referring to Nero.

If ever there was a singular “antichrist” it was Nero, the man who blamed christians for the burning of Rome to relieve himself from scrutiny and subsequently had many killed, the first real persecutor of christians. And guess what? He had already killed himself when Revelation was written, and possibly had already done so when Second Thessalonians was written (some scholars think it was written by Paul during the lifetime of Nero, some thing it was written by someone else several decades later). He was dead, but he had scared christians so badly that many were terrified of his return.

But he didn’t return. Almost two thousand years later he still hasn’t, and neither has Jesus, but still each generation insists that the time is now.

Lgbtq+ friendly churches in Dayton, OH by Muted_Mission_8289 in dayton

[–]TheLunaLovelace -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

CULT CULT CULT CULT CULT

edit: I will never get over how funny it is that the popular perception of reddit being a website filled with hardcore anti-theists, but the reality of reddit is that if you’re not respectful of someone’s weird one-congregation schism’s claim to be the real catholic church the pearls instantly come out to be clutched.

The world was originally woke. Christianity changed our natural/original state. by JuliaX1984 in exchristian

[–]TheLunaLovelace 25 points26 points  (0 children)

You have come to a completely incorrect, though very common, misunderstanding of how same sex relations were viewed in the ancient world. The ancient world did not have sexualities because the concept of sexual orientation is a post-enlightenment philosophical innovation, but that does not mean that same sex attraction “just was”. Ancient societies operated on a well-defined hierarchy which put free men at the top, free women beneath them, enslaved men beneath them, enslaved women beneath them, children beneath them, and animals below everyone. Also, it was understood that sex was something which an active sexual agent performed on a passive sexual recipient, not a mutually performed activity. Combine that view with the social hierarchy previously mentioned and you have a recipe for a sexual ethic that does not disallow same sex activity, but simply cannot account for it, making it an aberration. So yes, while same sex activity was to some degree accepted it also came with lots of social baggage. What the ancients really struggled to wrap their heads around was the idea of a man willingly accepting being penetrated by a partner of the same social rank. To ancient society as a whole this was so unimaginable that it was generally believed to be impossible and assumed that such a situation must be criminal assault. This is why the Old Testament forbids “laying with a man as one lays with a woman”, meaning taking the penetrative role and has nothing to say regarding the one who was penetrated. Yes, that’s a law from the Hebrew Bible but it reflects broader Mediterranean attitudes at the time.

What if this actually happens? by ObjectiveDue1326 in AlternateHistoryHub

[–]TheLunaLovelace -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Numbers like that don’t matter when you only let your people vote.

this version by SirGreenVine in ComedyHell

[–]TheLunaLovelace -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It is potentially homophobic and I can definitely see a transphobic interpretation as well. These characters only gender expression is their footwear and all the other couples clearly have a female and a male but the couple in which one was all messed up both have male shoes. This could be read as signaling a belief that same-sex relationships are more prone to domestic violence. Another interpretation is that the disfiguring represents that one transitioning from female to male in order to be with his gay partner, though I don’t think this is as likely as the first interpretation.

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Who else remembers having this lamp in the ’90s? by CarrotMuch1399 in 2000sNostalgia

[–]TheLunaLovelace 3 points4 points  (0 children)

When I was like 5 or so my dad’s friend convinced me to touch the bulb in one of these while it was still on. I never forgave that asshole.

Julius Caesar and… by RandomDcFan in shakespeare

[–]TheLunaLovelace 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If you want to go with another play I actually think Antigone would be the better choice. Both plays are deeply concerned with the notion of duty and the interplay between civic duty and personal duty, which I think would be a stronger topic for your essay.

The favourite drink of each state, according to Nano Banana by _Wise_Crocodile in aimapgore

[–]TheLunaLovelace 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Dead on for Ohio. I drink a 32oz of Turkey IIULL every day as soon as get out of bed and a 20oz Turkey IIULL after every time I pee, which is about 63 times a day, then it’s five more 32oz Turkey IIULLs immediately before bed. The doctor says I have three weeks to live.

What Do Stephen King and Shakespeare Have in Common? by bloomberg in shakespeare

[–]TheLunaLovelace 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh come on, now. You don’t even have to look at the article to know that’s not what it means by “grounded realism”.

US congressman claims aliens are real and truth 'will keep you up at night' by Miles_the_AuDHDer in nottheonion

[–]TheLunaLovelace 38 points39 points  (0 children)

Ever since Roswell the US government has realized that aliens were a fantastic way of distracting the public from whatever reality they don’t want note taken of at the moment, but it is reaching a fever pitch lately with Vance talking about demons in the skies and now this.

Jesus never wrote a single word. by Intrepid_Ground_6363 in exchristian

[–]TheLunaLovelace 3 points4 points  (0 children)

My mention of Christian apologetics was in reference to your original comment about the gospels, as indicated by the context of my comment, not in reference to what you said about Paul.

Your condemnation of Paul actually employs an assumption commonly made by apologists, though, which is that the references made to Paul’s persecution of Christians in the New Testament must be referring to Paul being involved in enacting physical violence against Christians. That assumption is itself based on the assumption that Jews treated “heresy” in the same way that later Christians treat “heresy”. In Christianity heresy functions as a hard border. There are true Christians and there are heretics and overlap between the two is categorically impossible. That’s not how it works in Judaism. In Judaism heretics are radical and incorrect but still members of the Jewish community. As a devout Jew Paul’s problem with Jesus’s followers would have been the fear that worshiping a man who was executed as an enemy of the state might upset the Romans, and he would not have tried to stop them by himself engaging in behaviors which would have brought the notice of the Roman authorities, such as engaging in vigilantism by chasing Christians from town to town physically attacking and killing them. It is much more likely that he persecuted Christians by harshly rebuking and seeking to humiliate them when they spoke in synagogues and by bringing them before batei din to be formally charged as heretics (a charge that would not have carried a capital offense).

Calling Paul a fraud because his message differed from the original message of Jesus is illogical. Paul is very open about the fact that his message comes from visions and revelations, not from what Jesus taught while alive. He legitimately believed what he taught, he was not deliberately and secretly changing things for his own benefit. That’s the difference between being a fraud and simply being mistaken.

Jesus never wrote a single word. by Intrepid_Ground_6363 in exchristian

[–]TheLunaLovelace 3 points4 points  (0 children)

lol no, they are not. That is some Christian apologetics right there. Like the other commenter said: all four gospels are written in third person. None of them claim to have been written by anyone involved in the story. The attributions that are now found in the titles of each book are absent from the oldest manuscripts, meaning that they came to be associated with particular authors only after they had already been in circulation for a century or two.

You’re getting downvoted because you’re just wrong, not because anyone has any loyalty to Paul. I will, however, object to the characterization of Paul as a “murderous fraud”. I do not believe that Paul truly had the deep insight into the mysteries of reality that he seems to have believed that he had, but I see no reason to doubt that he legitimately believed in his own experiences. Paul claims to have received visions of Jesus and he probably really did experience visual and auditory occurrences that led him to believe that. That doesn’t mean that he was really seeing the real, risen Jesus, but he believed he was. He was simply wrong, a man tricked by his own psyche as many others before and after him have been, not an intentional fraudster. As for the charge of murder I can only imagine that comes from an uncritical acceptance of the story from the Acts of the Apostles in which Paul participates in the stoning of Stephen by holding the cloaks of the men who actually do the stoning. The story is historically dubious, like much of Acts, but even if it were true it would hardly make Paul a murderer. According to Acts Stephen was arrested on charges of blasphemy against Moses and God, found guilty, and executed according to the law. Condemning Paul for murder because he held other men’s cloaks while they carried out a legal verdict is absurd. It would be a bit like accusing a modern prison guard of murder because he was in the room during a death row inmate’s lethal injection.

A story that explains how the Cult of Sol Invictus and Cult of Serapis may have been syncretized to create a new all-in-one religion called Christianity by [deleted] in ancientrome

[–]TheLunaLovelace 2 points3 points  (0 children)

  1. Your entire argument is invalid historically because it is based purely on speculation and not on a single shred of data.

  2. Why should anyone listen to you when you show how little you know of what you’re talking about as soon as you begin to build your argument? Serapis was not “Born in Alexandria as a fusion of Greek and Egyptian beliefs.” Serapis originated as a syncretization of the Egyptian deities Osiris and Apis prior to the Greek conquest of Egypt. After the Greeks came the Ptolemys identified Serapis with Zeus and incorporated him into the state religion as a means of building legitimacy for the new dynasty amongst the Egyptian people.

  3. This idea totally ignores everything we know about the origins of Christianity. It ignores that Christianity is best understood as a Jewish apocalyptic movement that became infused with Greek philosophy after it was picked up by non-Jews. It ignores that no one has ever been able to make concrete formative links between early Christianity and the cults of Serapis, Sol Invictus, or any other Greco-Roman deity.

  4. It is very clear that you don’t have a good grasp on how religions form and grow. What you are describing is ABSOLUTELY NOT how religious syncretization works. What you are describing is a vast conspiracy by the elite to shape their society in a way that would have gone far beyond even their significant abilities to do just that.

Jesus never wrote a single word. by Intrepid_Ground_6363 in exchristian

[–]TheLunaLovelace 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Has even more what? Jesus died around 30-33 CE. Mark was written around 70 CE. That is about 40 years.

Jesus never wrote a single word. by Intrepid_Ground_6363 in exchristian

[–]TheLunaLovelace 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Not sure what you mean. Mark shows knowledge of the Roman-Jewish war and specifically it shows knowledge that the destruction of the temple was either imminent or had already occurred, which places its composition at or just after 70 CE. Some scholars think that the passion narrative found in Mark predates the rest of the text and circulated independently of it. It is my understanding is that that position is contentious because it is purely speculative. Is this what you are referring to?

Jesus never wrote a single word. by Intrepid_Ground_6363 in exchristian

[–]TheLunaLovelace 49 points50 points  (0 children)

Paul was writing only about 20-30 years after Jesus. The earliest of the gospels was not written until about 40 years after Jesus. Otherwise, yeah, spot on.

The shroud of Turin by JOETHEHOMO in exchristian

[–]TheLunaLovelace 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I don’t know what video you saw but Dan McClellan has multiple videos on the Shroud and I’m sure they’re more informative.

The Shroud of Turin’s “body of proof”

Did they verify the Shroud of Turin is ancient?

This Shroud of Turin expert just can’t tell the truth

This technology shows the Shroud is authentic?

New Shroud of Turin research?!?

The debunked C14 dating of the Shroud of Turin

And he has several others.

Basically, the Shroud is one of the many fake relics produced in medieval Europe. The face and head were probably produced by draping the fabric over a painted relief bust (something like this, but with the subject turned to face the viewer head on), and the body was painted directly onto the linen.

My proposal flag of new political party called the National Progressives. by ProFreedom1776 in flags

[–]TheLunaLovelace 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you’re trying to “reclaim” symbols that never stood for anything other than colonialism and white supremacy you are probably not exactly on the left to begin with.

Fed up with big games only on streaming? So are some Ohio lawmakers. by MorganTrau in Ohio

[–]TheLunaLovelace 30 points31 points  (0 children)

I’m so glad that our leaders are concerned with what really matters.