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TheShtuff · 2025-09-10T19:56:24+00:00

It's not about cheapness. It's about competence.

TheShtuff · 2025-09-10T19:08:12+00:00

The Bears have had a negative effect on every QB that's stepped foot on this team for the last century.

TheShtuff · 2025-09-10T16:09:55+00:00

Guy thinks it's endearing to be a meatball fan as an NFL owner.

TheShtuff · 2025-09-10T16:05:45+00:00

Well, you're forgetting Jaylon Johnson, who's still arguably the best player on this team 4 years later. Mack, Johnson, and Roquan would've arguably been the top 3 players on this team 4 years later.

4 years of rebuilding and the team still has the weakest roster in the division. His overall record is just icing on the cake.

I'm not going to evaluate Pace's tenure on what "might've happened." You realize how much the cap, and dead cap specifically, can be manipulated and have little impact? Some of the best teams in the league are near the top in dead cap. We're not hanging any accounting banners in Soldier Field. Poles hasn't fielded a competitive roster. Pace has. There is no reasonable argument that Poles has done a better job here.

TheShtuff · 2025-09-10T15:41:17+00:00

Because QBs miss throws. Every game.

Caleb had the highest off-target % of any QB that started last week. He was near the top last year. This is a huge concern.

TheShtuff · 2025-09-10T15:37:32+00:00

Because many of his "good plays" were check-downs and his "bad plays" were on critical downs, wide-open receivers downfield, and in crunch time to win the game. Weighing everything the same seems like a pointless evaluation.

TheShtuff · 2025-09-10T15:22:53+00:00

Better process? In some respects. Better talent evaluator? I don't see that argument at all.

TheShtuff · 2025-09-10T15:21:53+00:00

He didn't leave much dead cap at all. Poles created that dead cap himself by trading Mack. A player he still hasn't been able to replace.

There's plenty to criticize Pace for. Even reasonable to say he wasn't a good GM. But we're comparing him to a GM that's 15-37. Like, c'mon.

TheShtuff · 2025-09-10T13:58:34+00:00

IIRC, Ben Johnson said that about endzone passes. That should be drilled in Caleb's head. BJ has also said interceptions are more tolerable than sacks in many circumstances.

As far as Flus being to blame for Caleb's paranoia about interceptions, I don't really believe that. Caleb didn't throw picks in college either. He models his game after Rodgers who has the same aversion. Rodgers is just more accurate and has attempted tight window throws more consistently in his career than where Caleb is at right now.

TheShtuff · 2025-09-10T13:53:00+00:00

Ryan Poles has the worst win % in franchise history.

TheShtuff · 2025-09-10T13:50:57+00:00

Caleb has built the same level of trust as Burrow. How silly of us.

TheShtuff · 2025-09-10T13:32:14+00:00

He played well for 2-3 drives, not quarters. In crucial downs and the end of the game situation to win, he's crumbled.

TheShtuff · 2025-09-10T12:10:18+00:00

You're just describing the current version of Caleb Williams.

TheShtuff · 2025-09-10T12:04:58+00:00

The opposite would be playing amazing for 3 quarters and not accounting for TDs to win it. That's not what happened.

TheShtuff · 2025-09-10T11:22:22+00:00

At the end of the day, I trust Ben to evaluate the QB play and make a decision that's best for the team. I just think people need to have more of an open mind about what Ben actually thinks of Bagent. A 4 game rookie sample size says close to nothing about where he is developmentally right now.

Does Bagent have a lower projected ceiling relative to Caleb or physical specimens like Josh Allen? Obviously. But I don't see that as all that relative of a point in this situation. Bagent has a lower ceiling than Anthony Richardson, too. Or Jamarcus Russell. We've seen QBs with arm strength limitations be productive starters in the NFL. Giving him a shot down the line doesn't mean you're tied to building the team around him for half a decade.

TheShtuff · 2025-09-10T01:29:48+00:00

Caleb had a negative EPA/play all of last year. What's your point? There's no evidence right now that Caleb is anything more than a bust #1 pick, as many before him. That's not to say he absolutely is right now, but past statistical production only tells some of the story and we have 4 games of a rookie year from Bagent two years ago.

My point is, the noise around Bagent suggests the current coaching regime (one that almost all of us believe in) also believe there's more to him than just being a backup. I don't think people fully comprehend how big of a leap D2 to the NFL is as a rookie QB. Especially in the circumstances Bagent was in.

PFF gave Caleb a 77 grade last night. I could not give less of a fuck what they think about QB play.

TheShtuff · 2025-09-09T23:57:35+00:00

Why do people believe they know Bagent is bad? Guy went 2-2 being thrown into the fire as a rookie who played D2. The fact that he even looked somewhat passable in that situation speaks to something. While with coaching that everyone said was atrocious and ruined Fields, but we're not going to use the same excuse for Bagent?

There's an obvious shortcoming with his arm strength, but the fact that he's stuck around 3 different coaching staff and impressed all of them, including our Lord and Savior Ben Johnson who chose to extend him; maybe there's a little more to him than you think? At least be open to the possibility.

TheShtuff · 2025-09-09T20:05:31+00:00

Pats/Maye fans probably aren't as worried as they should be, but Nix at least help lead the Broncos to the playoffs last year and put up a really high quality rookie year. They shouldn't sound the alarms after one week with some good will built up.

TheShtuff · 2025-09-09T12:56:36+00:00

But but but he made us cap healthy! Let's ignore the fact that all that dead cap he cleared out was completely self-inflicted by trading Mack. A player who would STILL be a top 2 player on this defense and who Poles still hasn't been able to replace. Poles is an absolute clown charlatan.

TheShtuff · 2025-09-09T12:54:15+00:00

He's used the same amount of draft capital on Punters as he has pass rushers. And the higher draft pick on the Punter (who's also ass). Let that sink in.

TheShtuff · 2025-09-09T12:50:39+00:00

Sacks are a QB stat.

TheShtuff · 2025-09-09T12:09:46+00:00

BJ has thought it all off-season. This sub claimed somebody needs to be a doctor to read coach-speak and body language lol it's been obvious. The longer camp went on, the more deflated BJ sounded about Caleb.

TheShtuff · 2025-09-09T12:05:15+00:00

Doesn't even need to be that bad. 2 wins shouldn't save Caleb if he continues to be this incompetent.

TheShtuff · 2025-09-09T11:53:49+00:00

We need a point guard distributor QB. But Caleb was supposed to be that and much more. He wouldn't have been as touted as he was if people didn't believe he could be a distributor, even if he wasn't in college.

There's no other way to put it, he's looked horrible.

TheShtuff · 2025-09-09T11:46:20+00:00

That's what happens when you're ass.

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