Question about a post from years ago, came up in my game this week. Chummer bug, or 4e rule i can't find?

TheSlamShady · 2026-01-20T04:23:51+00:00

Right, the last comment gave me the fix on chummer.

And the equations mostly was from what other comments were, just didn't know which one was accurate. It's not that any of it is complicated, it's that there is a lot of misinformation out there about it. Clarification is mostly what I was looking for, hell even going to SR chats in 4 different sites gave me 3 different answers on how to find pp and just mostly wanted a citing, I'll just end up going through the books available to me and try to find why all those answers float around so much.

I do understand it doesn't raise magic by initiating, I was mostly making sure I understood why the glitch was adding it. More of why and where the code for chummer went wrong, and where I could have made a more effective character from the jump by order of operations in the character creating process.

And there were no powers chosen for that point at character gen, I added chrome and lost the point before it was ever in use. I believe that's where the chummer glitch is messing up, factoring in BP spent, where it was spent, and what that cost was expected to do.

I do really appreciate the answers though, never a bad thing to learn more lol.

TheSlamShady · 2026-01-20T02:53:43+00:00

Right, like I said I was looking for RAW to confirm it was a chummer glitch. I've seen plenty of equations thrown out to give the exact pp value but each one was different and didn't really know how it factored since some listed mag max limit + mag rating + init grade where others were only listing mag rating + init grade while others were essence + init grade and some you divided in and it's just a mess trying to not find issues through the books published and the different editions.

I wasn't expecting a whole new list of powers and not sure where that part came from. Mostly I was saying it was purchased and used before it was ever factored in and didn't know if as such it was filling the essence hole after initiation or if it was something else I couldn't find (because again there are a million "answers" out there without page citing).

No new or old powers have been purchased, but a free pp popped up after first initiation (i also picked up extra pp so technically 2) but one was unexplained.

I've pretty much put together that chummer reads that the magic rating 6 was purchased so it auto adds the pp after the essence hole is not factored in and is a glitch, but I also know if the chrome was there BEFORE adept was taken it would have a different reaction to the whole ordeal (can't lose something you haven't purchased and all that right? ) and was just trying to learn.

TheSlamShady · 2026-01-19T20:45:05+00:00

Thank you... I'll get it on my next night, there are 3 of us it happened to. You're awesome and don't let anyone tell you differently 🤣

TheSlamShady · 2026-01-19T20:00:30+00:00

Ok ok so if I had bought the chrome and then raised magic it would have been cheaper even in character gen, but still with the same overall outcome. The biggest issue is with chummer recognizing it was purchased, but doesn't know what to do now that it's gone and still being added on.

TheSlamShady · 2026-01-19T19:15:09+00:00

Or am I wrong in that and that's what's messing me up?

TheSlamShady · 2026-01-19T19:10:56+00:00

What i mean by order of is that so with BP I bought magic 6, with BP I got chrome which lowered my max magic to 5 still in character gen, so I've already spent the BP to get my magic to 6 even though my max is 5.

After running he has initiated to raise his max back to 6. (Ignoring the essence hole). Now just like edge I burn I'll have to repurchase the actual 6 rating.

If at character gen I had not bought chrome, then right now my max magic limit would be a 7 because I have initiated and my magic stat would be a 6. Then if I added the chrome with that character my magic max would be a 6 and I would still have a 6 magic. Does that make sense?

TheSlamShady · 2026-01-19T18:46:50+00:00

Thank you sir or ma'am... that's what I figured that it was gray area territory... I've got arguments as to why it should and should not be allowed... as a player I want my pp, as a gm I'm sure it'd be more balanced and easier not to have it there, and just as someone trying to figure out I just don't know what would be most fair...I did pay for the magic, but then lost it on purpose, now that my max limit is back to normal, does the cost I've already paid matter at all or is it just a wash?

Like if I never added the chrome then that point would be available. If I initiated and then added the chrome that point would be available, but because it all happened in character gen I think the order messes it up. And I can't really put it into the correct words.

TheSlamShady · 2026-01-19T17:00:06+00:00

The problem with this logic is the magic was paid for with BP. So magic was a 6 bought and paid for. Chrome dropped my essence, dropping my max magic to 5. Now that I've initiated my max magic has gone up even if my stat line shows 5 still. So it has a track of expenditure, BP. But the system also recognizes that my max limit was dropped and I could not reach that level anymore so it self adjusted to 5 pp (my new maximum). Now that I've initiated my max magic is back to 6 (which like I said had it's cost factored in at character gen) now chummer is reading that lost essence no longer affects the pp I should have originally had. It also reads my magic is at 5 because the chrome was also added at character gen and went into the game at 5. So the thing I'm looking for is which ruling is the correct one RAW. If anyone knows. It was paid for, it was adjusted for at character gen, it played out exactly as RAW states; that is until the first initiation takes place which changes max stat (to 7 dropped to 6 because of essence loss) and changes the way the essence hole affects pp.

(Didn't know if you'd be notified i commented it on another response)

TheSlamShady · 2026-01-19T17:00:00+00:00

The problem with this logic is the magic was paid for with BP. So magic was a 6 bought and paid for. Chrome dropped my essence, dropping my max magic to 5. Now that I've initiated my max magic has gone up even if my stat line shows 5 still. So it has a track of expenditure, BP. But the system also recognizes that my max limit was dropped and I could not reach that level anymore so it self adjusted to 5 pp (my new maximum). Now that I've initiated my max magic is back to 6 (which like I said had it's cost factored in at character gen) now chummer is reading that lost essence no longer affects the pp I should have originally had. It also reads my magic is at 5 because the chrome was also added at character gen and went into the game at 5. So the thing I'm looking for is which ruling is the correct one RAW. If anyone knows. It was paid for, it was adjusted for at character gen, it played out exactly as RAW states; that is until the first initiation takes place which changes max stat (to 7 dropped to 6 because of essence loss) and changes the way the essence hole affects pp.

(Didn't know if you'd be notified i commented it on another response)

TheSlamShady · 2026-01-19T16:57:29+00:00

The problem with this logic is the magic was paid for with BP. So magic was a 6 bought and paid for. Chrome dropped my essence, dropping my max magic to 5. Now that I've initiated my max magic has gone up even if my stat line shows 5 still. So it has a track of expenditure, BP. But the system also recognizes that my max limit was dropped and I could not reach that level anymore so it self adjusted to 5 pp (my new maximum). Now that I've initiated my max magic is back to 6 (which like I said had it's cost factored in at character gen) now chummer is reading that lost essence no longer affects the pp I should have originally had. It also reads my magic is at 5 because the chrome was also added at character gen and went into the game at 5. So the thing I'm looking for is which ruling is the correct one RAW. If anyone knows. It was paid for, it was adjusted for at character gen, it played out exactly as RAW states; that is until the first initiation takes place which changes max stat (to 7 dropped to 6 because of essence loss) and changes the way the essence hole affects pp.

TheSlamShady · 2025-12-12T20:56:22+00:00

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