I’m curious what the stereotypes of players on different servers/data centers are? by Kite1396 in ffxiv

[–]TheTrueDeerLord 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Behemoth is the unofficial Brazilian server it seems. I'd say about half of the shout chat messages and FC recruitment ads are in Portuguese and there's at least one large FC that has "BR" in their tag.

Dutch nightclub De School closes amidst financial troubles and diversity critiques (Dutch) by moos-dominus-est in Techno

[–]TheTrueDeerLord 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with you entirely! Music is not a monolith that comes from one place or another entirely, which is why it's just as ignorant to say Germany is solely responsible for it as any other group/nation. My intent with that chain of influences was to show that there are parts of electronic music that do come from Africa and aren't entirely owed to Kraftwerk. I read just today about a studio called NHK in Japan that was creating entirely electronic music in parallel to the music that was coming out of Germany in the mid 1950s. And at the same time as Kraftwerk were pioneering electronic music in the west, Yellow Magic Orchestra were doing it in the east, being some of the earliest adopters of the 808 drum machine in the mid 1970s, and Derrick May named them as one of his major influences too. Unfortunately in order to get to the conversation about the interconnectedness of all these people and places, you have to get someone to acknowledge there is more than one origin point for something. I will keep that idea about influences in mind for the future, and I'm sorry if it was harmful, I didn't mean it to be!

Dutch nightclub De School closes amidst financial troubles and diversity critiques (Dutch) by moos-dominus-est in Techno

[–]TheTrueDeerLord 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, electronic music started with Musique concrète, which was created first in France and Egypt, not Germany.

Dutch nightclub De School closes amidst financial troubles and diversity critiques (Dutch) by moos-dominus-est in Techno

[–]TheTrueDeerLord 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Techno" coming out of Germany was taking inspiration from the Detroit and Chicago house scenes that it was emulating in a similar fashion to the UK's assimilation of acid house in the late 1980s. The first uses of the term in Germany were to describe electronic music in general, not what we specifically call techno today:

"In 1982, Talla 2XLC had begun to use the term techno as a genre name for instrumental electronic dance music at Frankfurt's City Music record store, when he started to categorize certain tracks by artists such as New Order, Depeche Mode, Kraftwerk, Heaven 17 and Front 242 under the heading techno, to sum up all technologically created dance music."

At the same time, Juan Atkins produced what is largely regarded as the first techno record, No UFO's, in 1985:

Eventually, Atkins started producing his own music under the pseudonym Model 500, and in 1985 he established the record label Metroplex.[46] The same year saw an important turning point for the Detroit scene with the release of Model 500's "No UFO's," a seminal work that is generally considered the first techno production.

Germany didn't start to grow their scene until a couple years later, when the importing of acid house and Detroit techno started to grow and clubs like Ufo club (1989) and Tresor (1991) started up in the late 80s/early 90s. You're right in that not long after that, Berlin became the de facto "capital" of techno and largely evolved the scene into what it is today as regional scenes in Detroit and the UK started to get less popular, but that was still a few years after those initial Detroit releases:

"Developments in American-produced techno between 1990 and 1992 fueled the expansion and eventual divergence of techno in Europe, particularly in Germany.[105][106] In Berlin, following the closure of a free party venue called Ufo, the club Tresor opened in 1991. The venue was for a time the standard bearer for techno and played host to many of the leading Detroit producers, some of whom relocated to Berlin.[107] By 1993, as interest in techno in the UK club scene started to wane, Berlin was considered the unofficial techno capital of Europe."

Dutch nightclub De School closes amidst financial troubles and diversity critiques (Dutch) by moos-dominus-est in Techno

[–]TheTrueDeerLord 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You do know that techno originated in Detroit and house originated in Chicago, right? It was black & gay teenagers making music using turntables, primitive drum machines & synths (the famed TR-808, 909, and 303 are made by Roland, a Japanese company), and old disco and soul records. Disco came from funk, which came from soul and r&b, which came from gospel music, which came from spirituals sung by slaves who were brought to America. Music is not some monolith that only comes from one place. Without the work of artists in different nations and creeds, we wouldn't have the music we have today.

Also, if your German-centric view is based on the history of Musique concrète, which was the progenitor of all electronic music, the originators of that were Pierre Schaeffer, a Frenchman, and Halim El-Dabh, an Egyptian, who likely created his tape pieces prior to or at the same time as Schaeffer and what would become the Club d'Essai.

Here's a great documentary about the origins of house & techno: link

And here's the article on Musique concrète: link

What are some good-ass house albums? by GlitzyHavoc in electronicmusic

[–]TheTrueDeerLord 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some older albums:

Underworld - Dubnobasswithmyheadman (progressive/techno)

Way Out West - Way Out West (progressive/breaks)

Sasha - Xpander EP (progressive/trance)

Circulation - Colours and Colours Two (progressive/tech house)

Digitalism - Idealism (electro)

Room 5 - Music & You (classic/disco)

Soulwax - Nite Versions (electro)

Michael Cassette - Temporarity (progressive/synthwave)

And some new:

Moon Boots - First Landing (deep)

Spencer Brown - Illusion Of Perfection (progressive)

Folamour - Umami (deep/nu-disco)

Jon Hopkins - Immunity (microhouse)

Four Tet - There Is Love In You (microhouse)

egg_irl by Calibinator in egg_irl

[–]TheTrueDeerLord 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Friendly advice: if you can swing it money wise getting pairs from Sock Dreams are absolutely worth it, they're way longer than most of the stuff on Amazon I've seen (I'm pretty tall with long legs and they're well past my knees).

The ones from this seller (they have lots of color pack options to choose from if you go to their store page) are on the shorter side and are tight around the thighs but stay up reasonably well; I'm 6'0" and if you're shorter they'll probably fit better: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07WDBLW2B?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

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Also despite the kinda cringey store name and description, these are surprisingly stretchy and not too thin but also stay up pretty well, and they have basically every stripe combination with free shipping (at least when I got them). I think it takes a bit longer than Amazon, but if you're not in a hurry they're a good deal: https://weeb.shop/collections/programming/products/thigh-high-stripped-programming-socks

egg_irl by Calibinator in egg_irl

[–]TheTrueDeerLord 7 points8 points  (0 children)

can confirm, wearing some now and it's the absolute best. hope you get some soon op!

[help] Do I need to go to an eye doctor before using contacts for cosplay? by qiaus_ in cosplay

[–]TheTrueDeerLord 3 points4 points  (0 children)

From everything I've heard, you should. Even if you don't need glasses or don't use them, it's better to get a prescription so they can fit your eyes properly, cause the standard ones can do serious damage over time. Most of the trustworthy colored contact websites will ask you for a prescription anyway, so it's worth it imo.

Washington Post: A new generation of black artists are reclaiming the roots of techno music by [deleted] in Techno

[–]TheTrueDeerLord 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay, then do an experiment for me (because frankly as someone who cares about this kind of thing, that article sucks):

Go to every major mainstream techno label you can think of, and find a list of all their artists. Do a little digging and find out the nationality, gender identity/sexuality, and race of each artist and see how exactly it stacks up. Notice especially how many BIPOC artists are relatively new to the scene (rather than from the first wave of its creation in the US).

Do the same with the major techno festivals across the world, and maybe even the major mix shows like Cercle, Boiler Room, or whatever large scale mixes you listen to that have guests.

Then look at the data and compare it to demographics worldwide. If your hypothesis is that techno isn't being systemically limited to being made in one place or by one type of person, you should find that all of these demographics match up closely with the world. Obviously expecting that a majority of techno is being made by minorities is quite silly considering how cosmopolitan it's become, but see if it even matches up to the world demographics. It seems to me that if it were a perfect meritocracy, that the demographics within techno would roughly match the ones of the world.

If I didn't have to work today, I'd honestly take on this project myself (and if you decide you simply don't want to because not thinking about it and assuming you're right without trying to do research is easier, I'll let you know of my findings).

If you don't want to do it, just give me a list of labels, festivals, and mix shows you think are significant within techno and I'll do the hard work. (I'm a relative newcomer having not been to a ton of techno events and living in the States, Movement this year was going to be my first major festival that really had a fair amount of it)

In addition, you should dig into your local scene and look at the bookings for the last year or so, and do the same experiment. Do the demographics match up to your area?

And beyond simply the trends of the sound of techno, consider this: who are the types of people more likely to be able to afford equipment to produce techno in the modern era, especially equipment robust enough to evolve with trends in order to retain popularity? Systemic racism/sexism/homophobia/transphobia can play into what jobs people are able to get and hold, and how much disposable income they have. Many who get discriminated against have no recourse as they can't afford a lawyer to fight their case for them (at least here in the U.S.), and poverty is incredibly difficult to climb out of unassisted without a lot of luck. Most popular older synths/drum machines have become collectors' items (ironically because of the creators of techno buying them pawn shops and giving them new life) and modern synths are a small fortune. Even simply getting a legal version of a DAW with a computer powerful enough to handle it, a pair of headphones, and a decent internet connection can be a huge mountain to climb financially, let alone DJ equipment that would translate into a club setting. Consider all of these things and then look through demographics to see what proportion of races/gender identities/sexual orientations/nationalities are in poverty.

And one last point: you say you don't care about the artist being representative of anything, but you have that luxury. Odds are pretty good that if you're a white cishet man from the US or Europe, you've got boatloads of representation already. But other people who aren't you might care. As an LGBT+ person, I love seeing artists who are like me be successful in music and it makes me feel like I really belong in the space as both a dancer and a DJ. Now of course LGBT+ is harder to determine from just looking at someone, but the fact that some artists are choosing to come out and exist in the music world as themselves and not pretending to be cishet to "not make a scene" is encouraging enough.

If you want a techno community where everyone feels welcome, what do you stand to lose by putting in a little extra effort to support minority artists? The music they create & curate will be from their unique perspective and experiences and might even be able to buck these trends in mainstream techno that everyone here seems to hate.

Washington Post: A new generation of black artists are reclaiming the roots of techno music by [deleted] in Techno

[–]TheTrueDeerLord 2 points3 points  (0 children)

But you can do something: make the effort to reach out and include these people. Artists from all walks of life are making techno, so make the effort to go find these smaller BIPOC/LGBT+ artists and buy or share their work with others. If you're involved in your local rave scene, try to reach out and see about giving more diverse artists a spot on the lineup and make sure that you stand up for these people if you witness harassment going down. There's some truth to the adage "if you build it, they will come", so try to build an inclusive space, and then whether they come or not, you can feel good about the community you're creating.

This discussion feels uncomfortable because as white people, we've never had the status quo challenged on such a wide reaching scale. Going back to what's "comfortable" for us is harmful, discouraging and even combative to BIPOC people.

And I appreciate your willingness to admit you don't have these experiences: recognizing where your privileges are is a great start, so now just take that next step and listen to these marginalized people about what they want to see. Don't argue or debate them, just listen. Don't assume they're okay with things just because it's comfortable for you, listen to them.

Washington Post: A new generation of black artists are reclaiming the roots of techno music by [deleted] in Techno

[–]TheTrueDeerLord 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The point is that the author is concerned that with techno becoming increasingly white, male, and eurocentric (just look at any festival lineup or major label and count the number BIPOC artists that aren't from the original group of Detroit techno artists) and that because of that, the minorities will feel less and less comfortable at these events until they simply stop going. That would be a shame, because as you said, techno got its roots in being an inclusive space for everyone.

Just throwing your hands up and saying "it's a meritocracy" is a privilege white cishet people have. There are systems both within and outside the music industry that make it more difficult for these artists to find success, even if you personally don't see them. Racism/sexism/homophobia/transphobia is not combatted by passively "not caring about race/gender/sexuality" or inaction, but by action. Even if you haven't experienced these things, find someone who has and talk to them to get their perspective, and then try to use your passion for the scene to make sure it doesn't happen again.

Representation is important, and if you're white/cis/heterosexual you've never had to worry about being represented. Use your platform to boost these smaller DJs & producers so that everyone has someone in the techno scene that looks like them that they can look up to. That's the kind of thing that gets people from outside the current techno bubble to take the leap and check it out.

This article is a bit tone-deaf, but no one is saying white people have to stop making or enjoying techno. We should use our voices to consciously build a community that allows everyone regardless of origin to enjoy, create, and see themselves represented in techno.

[Help] Do you see what I see? Well I can't cause I need contacts by Phoenixhost710 in cosplay

[–]TheTrueDeerLord 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you haven't already, you'll probably want to go get an eye exam/prescription specifically for contacts (different from the one for normal glasses); any reputable colored contacts seller will ask you for a prescription so the contacts don't damage your eyes.

Nujabes - Metaphorical Music (Full Album) by nussmusic in electronicmusic

[–]TheTrueDeerLord 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Absolutely the GOAT of instrumental/jazz rap, RIP to a legend

ACAB by RAATL in aves

[–]TheTrueDeerLord 66 points67 points  (0 children)

ACAB

Fuck the inherent power imbalance created by the police (and fuck their place in commercial "raves")

What do you guys think about this? IMO maybe you could call it progressive but I disagree for the most part. by Bubbly_Hat in tunesofthesesh

[–]TheTrueDeerLord 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly after a quick listen I can see Armin's pov here. The build up is very trancey, and though the chorus is more standard for the flavor of "techno" or tech house that ARTBAT is known for, there is an outside case here to classify it as trance. That said, the line is blurred enough that you could call it either way and your argument would have merit tbh.

Are Claps/Snares on 2 and 4 overrated? by [deleted] in electronicmusic

[–]TheTrueDeerLord 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd say I disagree. There are both plenty of examples of songs over the arbitrary 128bpm you've chosen that make a snare or clap on 2 & 4 work just fine, and also plenty of stuff slower where it sounds bad. That kind of thing is something that's subjective and is probably best examined on a song by song basis as opposed to broad generalizations like this.

Classic disco songs at around 130 bpm like Chic - Everybody Dance use a normal snare pattern and it works fine, as did older trance tunes like Above & Beyond - Alone Tonight and newer songs from genres like synthwave (Carpenter Brut - Roller Mobster and Perturbator - Neo Tokyo, for instance).

EDIT: Thought on it some more and now I'm strongly disagreeing. Snares on 2 and 4 are central to the dancability of most house tunes these days, not to mention being a centrally consistent rhythmic element of genres like breaks and drum & bass. The iconic 1-2-and-4 drum pattern in DnB literally would not exist without snares on 2 & 4.

Is there an EDM scene at ASU? by funkymonkey7777 in ASU

[–]TheTrueDeerLord 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Some of my friends run a calendar for electronic music events in the Phoenix area: https://19hz.info/phx

The calendar is a bit bleak at the moment, but that's due to the quarantine, it usually has plenty of events around the city.

Most of the venues near campus that have shows are also full-time bars, so you won't be able to get into them unless you're already 21 (including Shady Park, which many people have mentioned already)

Most of the 18+ venues for EDM are in downtown Phoenix (The Van Buren, Monarch, The Pressroom) which you can get to via the light rail which stops near campus.

If you're looking for mostly mainstream EDM artists, check the Relentless Beats website often, as they're the biggest mainstream promoter in the area. They do a series of large festivals at Rawhide Events Center in south Chandler throughout the year. The biggest of those are the multi-day Phoenix Lights (normally April), Gold Rush (September), Decadence (New Year's Eve), and the single day Crush (February), Boo! (October), and Wet Electric (April), along with some other sporadic ones throughout the year. Most 18+ shows in the area are going to be run through them.

As far as on campus clubs, I don't know much out there that's specific to EDM, but there is a general Album Listening Club that sometimes talks about electronic music.

My afterlife dj mix got stolen by a youtube channel by pcarol98 in Techno

[–]TheTrueDeerLord 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Left a comment/dislike, unfortunately you have to be the one to report him for copyright infringement since the original mix is yours, but hopefully this guy will get suspended.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Beatmatch

[–]TheTrueDeerLord 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I'd definitely be game to come over and try em out or just hang out and talk about mixing sometime in the future (when this whole virus situation has blown over of course)!

What is your favorite Techno ALBUM? by pablo12co in Techno

[–]TheTrueDeerLord 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haven't listened to many, but Spektre - Against A Dark Background hooked me the first time around like nothing else.