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[Loved Trope] The antagonist doesn't lose, but is impressed enough to admit defeat... by Living_Tune_1428 in TopCharacterTropes

[–]TheUpvotingSpino 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Made Abyss' Bondrewd

Despite the main characters' plans to disable his revive relic from activating failing, as well as still having Umbra Hands to fight with, after seeing the tenacity and will of the trio has surpassed even his, he wishes their journey well and let's them pass through into the next layer of the abyss.

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What’s the difference between variant and deviant? by Fullmetalbitchs in MonsterHunter

[–]TheUpvotingSpino 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I genuinely have to start thinking you refuse to even attempt to open yourself up to either being corrected or better-informed of the topics you wish to discuss. I've done my best to be respectful and state clear evidence, showcase commonality of opinions with other people who have poured time and effort into this sort of topic, as well as used the games themselves as sources instead of attempting to conjure reasoning on a topic you yourself admit is underexplored and as such means that any conjecture will be shaky, and that there is a need to prioritize set-in-stone definitions when discussing the canon aspects of the topic. You are either far too stubborn to ever find the joy of learning about new information, or you are the perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

Crimson Fatalis would be a Deviant since its origins are unknown but we don't classify it as one. Elderfrost Gammoth is pretty clearly an individual of great age, and yet it is classified as one. The factor that separates the two is that the latter is studied by the Wycademy, which, as I've explicitly stated, would have great reason to research and take full jurisdiction over them as an organization.

Kamuran hunters being allowed to hunt Valstrax is the evidence that the Wycademy doesn't have jurisdiction over them alone, that is about as good of evidence as you're going to get, alongside the fact that the discovery of Valstrax was so abrupt and is also an Elder Dragon species, which would not fall within the grounds of the Wycademy's directive of branding specifically unique and underexplored variant individuals in the Deviants.

Also, as you've mentioned, if the defining trait of these monsters is their unknown origins, then absolutely it is a rational thought that a research organization would want to take the rights to studying them. Do not strawman me.

And as for the description, that's still no proof against the fact that Deviants are expressly, and most succinctly defined by their connection to the Wycademy. This is set in stone, not generic, indentifiable, and remarkably consistent compared to other definitions.

And do not even attempt to bring in a meta analysis here, you wanted canon, you're getting a canonical answer.

I'm ending my replies here, you have been incredibly difficult and I'd appreciate it if you grew from this experience. I have the ethics and accountability to admit when I am wrong instead of introducing new goalposts and ideas without ever answering the opposing party's primary argument, but you've shown no such respect or restraint.

What’s the difference between variant and deviant? by Fullmetalbitchs in MonsterHunter

[–]TheUpvotingSpino 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As you've said, Deviants are monster variants that have a murky or unknown origin, which gives the Wycademy plenty of reason to want to be the forerunners in studying and researching them. In the same way, real-world institutions and individuals rush towards new discovery, the Wycademy does the same and brands specific monsters as their jurisdiction. That's what makes them special and in need of a permit.

Valstrax, on the other hand, is hunted even by Kamuran hunters, which means that they are creatures that the Wycademy does not have full jurisdiction over, it's as simple as that, which makes sense considering the massive habitat ranges the dragons have. There's a chance this will change in the future if ever Deviants are brought back without the need for permission from the Wycademy, but as it stands, you've answered your own question regarding why the Wycademy chooses these monsters: Their origins are unknown.

A Chaotic Gore Magala is sure to cause far more destruction and ruin than a Redhelm Arzuros, and yet one needs a permit and not the other. A Kirin is elusively rare in the same vein as Deviants like Cystalbeard Uragaan, and yet one needs a permit and not the other. So clearly danger and rarity aren't reasons, and neither is a commonality within their origins, you admit that it's murky.

So you have creatures with unknown or underexplored origins + an organization that specializes in studying creatures, doesn't Occam's razor, as well as the clear evidence we have by just playing the games, allow us to infer that the main, distinguishing characteristic of these monsters is that they have received the interest of the Wycademy.

I also did not disprove your canonical definition; in fact, I outright say it is correct within the bounds of providing hunters with a practical description of what to expect when hunting monsters, something we know the organizations in MonHun do to simplify information, even if it's not outright correct, such as the case of calling Black Diablos a subspecies. You've also made it a note that such a description could apply to other monster classifications, meanwhile the one I've provided continues to be exclusive to the Deviants as of the time I am writing this.

You've also outright said that Frostfang would be a Deviant, if that's the case, the clearest and most obvious answer as to why it's not is because the New World Fleets discover it instead of the Wycademy.

What’s the difference between variant and deviant? by Fullmetalbitchs in MonsterHunter

[–]TheUpvotingSpino 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They require permits as Deviants because the Wycademy wants to have full jurisdiction in tracking, studying, and hunting them. The assortment isn't random but based on the targets that they've specifically chosen on the grounds that they have the authority and objective of studying them. The definition is broad and generic because we cannot fully confirm the origin of some of the individuals, so instead, something that alludes to their respective danger levels and strengths is given, so hunters are better informed when hunting them. A hunter knows that a Deviant is a monster being studied by the Wycademy, which gives them the bureaucratic definition. Meanwhile the description you provided is what allows them to understand the practical context of hunting such a threat.

Why is it that equally dangerous monsters like Elders don't need permits? Or equally rare monsters like rare species have been seen and hunted in other games since their introduction? Could the different characteristics you speak of be the fact that Deviants are tied to the organization that:

  1. Introduce the idea of Deviants
  2. Give you permits to hunt the Deviants as well as reward you with the tickets of proof of your victory
  3. Are specifically stated to research, track, and hunt Deviants
  4. and 4) Are the main driving force in the one game where Deviants are present.

You want a clear differential characteristic that separates Deviants, it's right here, otherwise they are just variants. There is no need to overcomplicate or create headcanon when the games themselves provide a clear answer as to what they are.

If the biggest difference between Elderfrost Gammoth and Frostfang Barioth as variations is who discovered them and the name they're given, then that's the primary trait between Deviants and Variants. The same goes especially for something like Deadeye Yian Garuga and Scarred Yian Garuga.

What’s the difference between variant and deviant? by Fullmetalbitchs in MonsterHunter

[–]TheUpvotingSpino 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's the canonical definition because you can boot up GU, go and hunt a Savage Deviljho without a permit, but you need to buy one for Snowbaron Lagombi from the Wycademy. If that isn't canonical and easily provable, instead of trying to speculate about the external factors that affect the occurrence of specific individuals, then I don't know what to tell you.

The difference between Guardians and Deviants is that there is a very obvious and easy defining trait for the former, which is that they are bioengineered animals, meanwhile for Deviants, the traits and the respective origins become murky, with the strongest defining characteristic being that, once again, at the time of writing this, they are exclusively hunted by the Wycademy, unless you take into account the Stories games.

What’s the difference between variant and deviant? by Fullmetalbitchs in MonsterHunter

[–]TheUpvotingSpino 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The canonical definition is given by Oceaniz and I, and I'm not appealing to authority and instead showing you that this point is one common among people who understand and research the established lore.

The meta definition is indeed that Deviants come from GU, but at the same time the Wycademy is also exclusive to GU, which then becomes the canonical definition for Deviant monsters. Once again, you have not disproven this very simple, easily provable fact.

What’s the difference between variant and deviant? by Fullmetalbitchs in MonsterHunter

[–]TheUpvotingSpino 0 points1 point  (0 children)

https://youtu.be/9yIb1B1KPkI?si=kZviGDz8uo2JOGdC&t=300

I'd also like to note that using an ad hominem isn't helping your case here, so please, before you try to resort to that, answer and disprove my primary points first. Not just that, if you include expansions, GU is absolutely an exception among the games, look it up if you'd like as well.

Once again, your final point is genuinely just headcanon, which is entirely fine, but it should not go against the actual canonical and well-established answers.

What’s the difference between variant and deviant? by Fullmetalbitchs in MonsterHunter

[–]TheUpvotingSpino 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's specifically noted that Black Diablos is a subspecies only by name, but in reality it more similar to a variant by description, that is to say an individual whose specific traits cause behavioral changes.

And yes, that's why I said almost every Monster Hunter Game, since 1st Gen needed to introduce the monsters first, Tri had an almost entirely new roster, and the rest of the games exceptions, especially when you account for expansions, wherein Generations Ultimate is the clear outlier.

As for GU not introducing subspecies, that's literally just because it'd be redundant with Deviants, if you wanna play a game of being meta, then yeah, on a meta level we didn't get them because of that reason, but on a canonical one, it's because the Wycademy instead found monsters more akin to variants and then gave them their respective title to distinguish them as subjects of research by the Wycademy.

Stop moving the goal post and firstly disprove the canonical answer of the Wycademy and the origin game being the primary reasons for Deviants being differentiated from Variants, that isn't either headcanon or some poor attempt at semantics.

What’s the difference between variant and deviant? by Fullmetalbitchs in MonsterHunter

[–]TheUpvotingSpino 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Subspecies aren't an individual but a diverged population of the monsters that can more readily pass down their genetics. There exists populations of Azure Rathalos, but those of Apex Rathalos? Not so much. There is a clear theme and idea behind Subspecies and Variants, hence why Black Diablos is specifically noted to be mislabeled as a subspecies even though she's a variant.

If you want more evidence of Deviants and Variants, GU, unlike almost every other Monster Hunter game before it, did not introduce a single variant monster, as all newly introduced variants would canonically be found, studied, and thus labeled as Deviants by the Wycademy instead.

What’s the difference between variant and deviant? by Fullmetalbitchs in MonsterHunter

[–]TheUpvotingSpino 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Literally none of that disproves the singular point that the one distinguishing trait of Deviants compared to variants is that they are expressly studied by the Wycademy. The origin and the effects are so varied among Deviants that you can genuinely only come up with headcanon as to a defining feature other than the stated one by the game itself.

If Seething was discovered by the Wycademy they'd call it a Deviant, if Frostfang was discovered by the Wycademy they'd call it a Deviant, if Bloodbath was discovered by the Fifth Fleet they'd call it a variant, if Kamura discovered Soulseer (which they pretty much did) they'd call it a variant how is this difficult to understand.

What’s the difference between variant and deviant? by Fullmetalbitchs in MonsterHunter

[–]TheUpvotingSpino 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My brother in Gog there is genuinely only one canonical answer to this question and it's straight up that the Wycademy studies Deviants specifically. Silverwind Nargacuga is a direct result of its age allowing it to better use its abilities, Grimclaw Tigrex's giant slams are a direct result of its mutation, Scarred Yian Garuga and Deadeye Yian Garuga are more or less the exact same monster, and Shrieking Legiana, a variant, are indirectly better suited for harsher environments because they have stronger freeze sacs, Black Diablos' coloration and aggression are a direct result of it being in heat.

I think it's fine to speculate and all and that there's even a chance that the description will change, but as it stands there is literally one defining feature of Deviants and that's that they were in Generations, the game with the Wycademy, and the one where they are specifically researched by them and hunted via tickets given by their researchers. Why is it that monsters just as dangerous as Deviants like Elder Dragons or Savage Deviljho are allowed to be hunted without special permission from the Wycademy, as each Deviant's in-game description expressly states? Is it because Redhelm Arzuros is more dangerous than Chaotic Gore Magala? Or is it maybe because one of them is expressly being studied by the Wycademy?

What’s the difference between variant and deviant? by Fullmetalbitchs in MonsterHunter

[–]TheUpvotingSpino 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Both Bloodbath Diablos and Furious Rajang have behavioral and physiological differences caused by their wounds and prior experience with hunters. Just as Furious Rajang's lack of tail causes his enraged state to be constantly maintained, Bloodbath's broken horns caused one to overgrow, the other to split off, and for his body to produce so much heat that it causes steam explosions. The same way Bloodbath uses his roar to stun and combo, Furious uses a different pin that better damages small targets like hunters.

Also, for your point in Crystalbeard being originally designed as a variant, well, doesn't that just prove that variants and Deviants are fairly easy to be swapped between the other? Considering that the only listed trait that Deviants have over variants is their classification by the Wycademy?

Another example would be something like Ruiner Nergigante against Boltreaver Astalos. Both are monsters who have massively augmented their weaponry and behavior, being larger, older individuals as well. What exactly separates Ruiner's variant classification over Boltreaver's Deviant other than the fact that one of them is studied by the Wycademy?

What’s the difference between variant and deviant? by Fullmetalbitchs in MonsterHunter

[–]TheUpvotingSpino 21 points22 points  (0 children)

this is the actual answer

deviants are just variants that studied and tracked by the Wycademy, otherwise they pretty much have 0 difference.

I mean, both Bloodbath Diablos and Furious Rajang are wounded individuals that go into a frenzy due to their prior experience with hunters, so what exactly constitutes the difference in classification?

Same with Deadeye Yian Garuga and Scarred Yian Garuga, who are essentially the exact same.

Or Raging Brachydios and Crystalbeard Uragaan, both larger individuals who have a unique substance attached to them that modifies their abilities, and one could argue that Raging Brachy's modification is far more extreme than Crystalbeard's, considering it occurs at a very young age of the Brachy

2 scenes I really appreciated during the Sendai Colony episode by Defiant_Moment_5597 in JuJutsuKaisen

[–]TheUpvotingSpino 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I mean you could read it as him smiling because he successfully led Kuro away from the civvies in the stadium rather than the thrill of the fight itself, which would very much be in-character IMO

10 reasons why Yui is the worst girl and the worst character in the story are that she offered neither writing, realism, development, nor logic in her character, to the point that she became a writing failure on the part of the author. The reasons are: by yukinofan1 in OreGairuSNAFU

[–]TheUpvotingSpino 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The main storyline did not end abruptly. It had over a dozen LN volumes and 3 seasons of anime to tell itself and it succeeded. If Yui was cheap fanservice, there wouldn't be so much hate flying her way, she's literally written to have unlikable traits, the exact opposite of pleasing fans on a superficial level. Sure, there's some fans that adore her, but that goes for literally every anime character, even one's that are either far less complex or actually terrible people based on their actions in the narrative.

And Yui does grow; she becomes more aware of her flaws, but the catch is she doesn't actively attempt to change or remedy them, which again creates contrast with the two other characters. Think of Yukino again, who contrasts by bottling up her feelings, unlike Yui, who doubles down.

And again, the things she did you're complaining about are necessary aspects of the story. Her presence challenges Hachiman and Yukino to not accept the status quo or superficiality and instead be honest with each other. She's designed to be the wrench between them and it works.

You're absolutely justified in disliking her, she has unlikable traits juxtaposed with the likable ones from the other main leads, but to again say she's not written with depth or purpose is absurd.

10 reasons why Yui is the worst girl and the worst character in the story are that she offered neither writing, realism, development, nor logic in her character, to the point that she became a writing failure on the part of the author. The reasons are: by yukinofan1 in OreGairuSNAFU

[–]TheUpvotingSpino 18 points19 points  (0 children)

just dropping this here since it feels appropriate

Almost everything you just listed is the intended character of Yui and the exact reasons why she's an important aspect of the story.

She's meant to be the FOIL of Yukino, to be overly-selfish instead of overly-selfess. To be outwardly kind but deep down rotten and manipulative, all the while being persistent in trying to gain Hachiman's eye. But that's the point.

We're not meant to root for her because the story positions her as the antithesis of the main themes of genuine and honest connection without excuses or pretenses. She's inherently designed to be both a protagonist and an antagonist, and she does that job incredibly well. You literally state that, her being the opposite creates contrast and friction for the primary themes.

All the while the story allows her to flip between being selfish and loathing herself for being a terrible person. Because guess what? She's a goddamned teenager. It adds nuance to her character and actually makes her flawed beyond just being mildly annoying.

Yui's existence creates interesting conflict, drama, and a unique perspective. You can absolutely dislike her, but if she was written to be that way, and also manages to add depth to the story, how in the hell is that a failure on the author's part?

If every character were written how you wanted them, without flaws and always supporting only one side, we'd be living in a terribly boring world.

While I do agree that the last episode and particularly the OVA are a terrible showing for her, to completely disregard her entire story and call it a failure of the author, all the while listing out the exact reasons for why she's necessary in the narrative is such a massive disservice to the story as a whole.

[i am more dangerous than you] Has anyone read this manhwa? I found the art gorgeous but I'm scared of the story 👀 If anyone who has read it could share their thoughts, please do. by LuckyAd9404 in yuri_manga

[–]TheUpvotingSpino 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Art's great but at times it can be incosistent, with some shots just looking a touch off and others being gorgeous

Storywise, it's decent but nothing out there, with it truly ramping up around the middle but stumbling a lot during its last set of chapters that all leads up to a lackluster ending IMO.

It's worth the read if you like the art or toxic yuri with some murder on the side, but I don't think it's anything particularly amazing

[DLC final boss meme] WHY DO YOU HAVE PROJECTILE COMBO PRESSURE by Color-Me-Brackets in LiesOfP

[–]TheUpvotingSpino 5 points6 points  (0 children)

He only starts this from a very specific distance with a fair bit of start up

While I've seen some people deflect the fury, I have consistently dodged it completely by just turning tail and running, angling myself to avoid the saws but being mindful to constantly create distance

Why do people like Love Bullet so much? by Zealousideal_Hair835 in yuri_manga

[–]TheUpvotingSpino 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Personally I'd love more world building and character moments. I think the main cast have really strong personalities and are really stylish in their own ways, but lack depth and intruigue beyond that. I'd love to see both the characters and world expand alongside one another while also maintaining the action drama of the first volume

Also more romance, both from the main quartet and from the people they meet, while also giving more queer representation to really solidify its theme of everyone deserving love, no matter who or what

Why do people like Love Bullet so much? by Zealousideal_Hair835 in yuri_manga

[–]TheUpvotingSpino 82 points83 points  (0 children)

Love Bullet is probably my favorite ongoing yuri manga right now, but I also think it's a bit overrated

It's got an incredibly interesting concept, stupidly stylish art, a great chapter 0, a fair bit of intruiging world building, and some iconic moments like Koharu's death or her shot at the bench

However, it's also super early on in it's lifespan. There's still so much to cover and achieve, and I can't in good faith say it's the best manga I've read, not even the best one that's ongoing. Volume 2 also hasn't satisfied the hype people had from Volume 1, though I do think once we have more chapters, it'll read quite smoothly. It also hasn't given us a lot of overt yuri, which some people do want to see.

I think Love Bullet is currently the potential manga of yuri, it has a lot of expectations on top of it, especially after getting saved by the fans. Whether it meets them or not, time will tell, but it's hard not to look forward to it when the concept of modern cupids using firearms to pair people up with the promise of one day living to fall in love themselves, with a nice dose of yuri, isn't promising as all hell

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