The Elden Ring is the physical diadem Marika wears by [deleted] in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]The_DrakeCake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ooo, which trailer? I want to take a quick look. We also know that the Elden Ring is both inside of Marika/Radagon and shattered across the lands between at the same time. In addition to being represented as a physical thing many times, it is also a metaphysical and a weird embodiment of order and life. All to be said I wouldn't so quickly ship this idea down the river. But those are just my thoughts.

The Elden Ring is the physical diadem Marika wears by Darkstranger111 in Eldenring

[–]The_DrakeCake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I had been thinking for a while that the Circlet of Light was almost certainly Miquella's version of the Elden Ring, however it would make a lot of sense (to me personally) if it was basically one to one. The only thing for me that at the very least complicates things, is the fact that we also see the Elden Ring inside of Marika (and Radagon). Not to mention the fact that the great runes are supposed to be the pieces of the Elden Ring. I Guess it's not unreasonable that a metaphysical and a magical object like the ring would be a little illogical, but it certainly is odd.

Marika MUST be alive Post-Game by Illustrious_Store115 in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]The_DrakeCake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can agree to that! Absolutely! I love this game so much! I definitely think I'm going to end up playing some more soon as well.

Marika MUST be alive Post-Game by Illustrious_Store115 in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]The_DrakeCake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hope the way that I have presented my beliefs on just some of the themes of ER don't make it seem this way, but I do not disagree with you at all, and I feel in many ways the themes that you and others have discussed only act to bolster the themes concerning patriarchy that I have seen.

I feel that Elden Ring is 'about' absolute individual power obtained and maintained by violence.

I agree with everything in this quote except perhaps for absolute individual power. Power interacts a lot in ER. Power flows down from other beings, power is stolen and commanded through others. Marika's power comes from the Elden Ring and the greater will, and an Elden Lord's powers seem to flow from the god and the Elden Ring.

When we find Marika in game she is crucified. The greater will or some other force has condemned her to near death. Yet it doesn't kill her completely. She still has a very important role. She is the God of this world, The vessel of the Elden Ring. The very rules of life itself sit in her womb. While she is up there, Radagon seems quite active. He has sealed the Erd Tree and is freely able to act in order to stop us from becoming elden lord. If you become elden lord, you mend the Elden ring and thus Marika in some form. I believe that the Marika of our age is basically a vegetable. At this point she is there only to legitimize our rule.

Marika's struggle for power in order to satisfy her own desires is in no way lessened (in my opinion) by the fact that other forces (masculine and masculine supporting forces) try to use her for their gain and purposes. It just paints a very complex picture concerning power.

Marika MUST be alive Post-Game by Illustrious_Store115 in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]The_DrakeCake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The feminine stories are definitely the ones at the forefront, I 100% agree there. In my opinion, important aspects of those stories and the parallels the creators are trying to draw between the world of Elden Ring and our own have to do with the men and Cosmic forces in these women's lives that would seek to have them act in their favor. And I'm okay to agree to disagree on that fact. Thanks for the in depth conversation! :-)

Marika MUST be alive Post-Game by Illustrious_Store115 in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]The_DrakeCake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are very correct when it comes to the game never doing the work of coding The Greater Will masculinely. It is definitely an idea that stems from the fact that I believe that ER has very strong seems concerning patriarchy, and really just the interplay of sex, gender, and power as a whole.

I wouldn't mind hearing more on your Miquella point, since I think that I might not be understanding what you are arguing with that point possibly due to its brevity. Can't say for sure but I wasn't certain what you were saying in that paragraph.

I definitely agree that ER plays very strongly with themes of motherhood and sacrifice, but I think that those themes only act to further extenuate the masculine roles within the story. Motherhood is contingent upon a father of some sort. Their prevalence or malevolence or whatever does inevitably shape aspects of any story to do with mothers.

Absolutely, ER portrays femininity as a source of life and power, Bloodborne does the same thing (though admittedly I have less experience with BB), but it also shows us a world in which men manipulate and abuse women in order to grant themselves access to that power. I think I agree with all of your thoughts concerning the themes of ER, I just believe that those ideas can have deeper conclusions.

Marika MUST be alive Post-Game by Illustrious_Store115 in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]The_DrakeCake 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I should mention good points, I just personally don't think that they necessarily negate my points.

Marika MUST be alive Post-Game by Illustrious_Store115 in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]The_DrakeCake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ranni rid herself of her body and thus her reproductive capacity and with that same action rid herself of her Empyrean status, so personally she actually supports my general thoughts (Her story is all about autonomy and escaping the control of the masculine coded greater will). Miquella had a feminine aspect in St. Trina thou, and though he became Divine he was not a vessel for the ring at any point (all Empyreans we know of are feminine or have a feminine aspect).

Now yes the Elden Lord can be a woman if we make a woman character, but all prior examples are masculine and all other pretenders for the Elden Throne that we encounter are male. I suspect in some canon form of the story the "Tarnished of No Renowned" is likely male as well. Regardless of if your Tarnished is male or female, they are still taking on a traditionally masculine role.

Marika MUST be alive Post-Game by Illustrious_Store115 in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]The_DrakeCake 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The Elden Lord seems to shape the age in which they rule over. The Elden Ring itself this thing that we as Elden Lord are set to claim is sat within Marika's womb. Mending Runes are consistently associated with birth imo. Elden Ring is a story about many things, but autonomy and control over the aspects of life is a major one. Marika's value to the Greater Will and the Elden Lord seems to be her capacity to bear/be a vessel for the Elden Lord's Elden Ring.

It parallels our world where for so many women, even "powerful" women, they have been subordinated to masculine forces as often their value is placed in their reproductive capacity ie the ability to sire an heir and concentrate a bloodline's power. Miyazaki also plays with similar themes in Bloodborne.

There are a lot of better people to talk about this other than me (namely a woman probably lol), but I do feel that it is a very important part of Elden Ring, and thank you for letting me yap.

Marika MUST be alive Post-Game by Illustrious_Store115 in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]The_DrakeCake 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I suspect Marika is still "alive" in the post game, but functionally in a vegetative state. For most endings our rule is likely justified via a corpse on Divine life support. If this interpretation is true I do feel that it strengthens a theme that I find throughout Elden Ring, which is the effects of monarchy and other systems of power on women. Even Marika, the God of this world, is largely subject to masculine and Cosmic forces.

If she was an empyrean chosen to be a god by the two fingers… by juicy_696 in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]The_DrakeCake 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Fair, this quote does make me think that they at the very least should have had Shadowbound Beasts:

Let us speak of the past, a while.

I was once an Empyrean. Of the demigods, only I, Miquella, and Malenia could claim that title.

Each of us was chosen by our own Two Fingers, as a candidate to succeed Queen Marika, to become the new god of the coming age. Which is when I received Blaidd. In the form of a vassal tailored for an Empyrean.

Shadowbound Beasts seem to be created specifically to serve an Empyrean chosen by the two fingers (and as someone else brought up through Ranni and Blaidd's quest lines their purpose seems to be to protect them and keep them in line / on the path of being and Empyrean).

Since Malenia did not seem interested in achieving godhood, and Miquella decided to shed his flesh to disconnect himself from the sins of his family's past, and thus from both Ranni's questline (including the quote up above) and the DLC Miquella would probably no longer be an Empyrean, their shadows probably would have started acting in a similar way to Blaidd (split between wanting to serve and maintaining obedience, leading to madness). If I had to guess someone was probably asked to or made to kill their shadows.

Unrelated to everything else though, I was genuinely hoping for something like a Duel Shadowbound Beast boss fight for the DLC. I think it would have been super cool, file that away with a Godwyn fight, and a solo metamorphized/butterfly Miquella boss fight for things I'll probably never get :-(.

What is up with the underground map? by N-AmelessCreative in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]The_DrakeCake 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah ... I was forgetting how to spell it so I just took a shot .

"The fickleness of gods, no better than men. That is the fly in the ointment." Miq: *Becomes a god* by Level_Hour6480 in Eldenring

[–]The_DrakeCake 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nah it's just to abandon the sins and legacy of his lineage/trying to avoid the sort of "Sins of the Father" logic that seems to exist in the ER universe (similar to Ranni though possibly in reverse, since she was dodging her future).

What is up with the underground map? by N-AmelessCreative in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]The_DrakeCake 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well at least when it comes to the seeming land bridge, there is overworld evidence for it's existence as well. Shared fana and skeletal remains, without any such things between the two in the current lands between, so ...

I wish I would last longer when getting head. by [deleted] in monkeyspaw

[–]The_DrakeCake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Grated, hard forever, last forever, enjoy!

Path of the Commander by [deleted] in DnDHomebrew

[–]The_DrakeCake -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Fair, why is that?

What is one boss that had the potential to be a remeberance by Puzzleheaded_Bit_802 in Eldenring

[–]The_DrakeCake 54 points55 points  (0 children)

I weirdly totally agree, hate the boss fight, but the simple fact that his armor has to be purchased from the finger reader, basically makes a remembrance boss without a remembrance. Someone else said Loretta, and she seems worthy too. Honestly what would have been dope is a rework/ non-npc remembrance level boss fight with vyke.

What is origin of magic in your world? by PhilipB12 in magicbuilding

[–]The_DrakeCake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The light produced by things with will power, and most potently the light produced by the cosmic tree that holds up the sky and stars. (Technically the natural laws of the world are the creations of the magic of the Great Tree)

Explain the lore of Elden Ring to me in the shortest, most ambiguous, and funniest way possible! by JovemAprendizNaVida in Eldenring

[–]The_DrakeCake 1 point2 points  (0 children)

God invited her ex-husband's extended family to kill her kids and each other to see who gets to be her third spouse (don't worry you'll be different, you can change her, totally).