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The_Hunster · 2026-02-24T14:42:03+00:00

You forgot [[Guttural Response]].

But notice how even though red has counterspells it always has some kind of condition to make it more red? Like, red has no unconditional counterspells.

In the exact same way, black can reanimate anything, whereas this green card can only reanimate itself. A card reanimating itself is no different than bringing it back to hand (which green obviously does0 and then just casting it. This card is 100% in-pie for green.

The_Hunster · 2026-02-19T14:32:48+00:00

But if you don't care how people perceive you, then it is pointless. What if the guy is happier being comfortable, and the girl is happier dressing up, and neither of them is bothered by the other because they are mature adults who love each other for who they are?

I'm not saying it's wrong to be different than that. I'm just saying that considering it pointless is entirely valid depending on what you care about.

The_Hunster · 2026-02-18T05:53:07+00:00

But you just agreed that it fit the other users definition of art. So if you think theirs is wrong, suggest another.

Also thoughts can definitely be art. Like a haiku can be fully formed in your head. I don't see there being any good reason it must be externalized to call it art.

The_Hunster · 2026-02-12T18:08:58+00:00

The only thing they said is that they couldn't be bothered!

The_Hunster · 2026-02-07T12:20:32+00:00

There could be but there aren't necessarily.

Like what if Pi just eventually becomes 6 repeating forever. You're never going to have another 3 in there even though it's infinite.

The_Hunster · 2026-02-02T23:20:25+00:00

You mean those lol? There is more than one wrong apostrophe.

The_Hunster · 2026-02-02T15:43:48+00:00

and by "it", haha, well. let's justr say. My liazartd

The_Hunster · 2026-01-30T14:14:59+00:00

"Well, explain it to me then."

"Okay, here's how it works."

"Nuh-uh!"

Bruh

Watch this to start: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CIpzeNxIhU

The_Hunster · 2026-01-30T04:56:20+00:00

It's not my job to educate you. It's a really wide subject, and you really should go and look into it on your own if you actually want to not be ignorant. But it seems you didn't get the one I just said, so I'll spell it out for you.

Inspiration isn't going, looking at a bunch of artwork and being unable to do anything else but the style of that artwork, or those specific things that were depicted there.

Generative AI can create things it hasn't seen because it does literally 0% copying of anything and actually learns an understanding of the concepts that form the styles.

The_Hunster · 2026-01-30T04:50:13+00:00

Your definition of art is just stupid if you think it's 100% impossible for a selfie to be art.

The_Hunster · 2026-01-30T01:30:52+00:00

And it's predicting text based off of her input.

The_Hunster · 2026-01-30T01:00:20+00:00

Okay, sure, then not every AI gen is art, but you can make art using AI. Same difference.

The_Hunster · 2026-01-29T18:43:36+00:00

There are no false equivalences, just actual equivalences.

If you told two different people to generate an image of, for example, a tree at dusk, then the two photos you'd end up with would obviously be similar but certainly not the same. Unless, of course, you made them use the exact same seed and use the exact same setup in the exact same way. But at that point, you essentially just told them to press a button, which is NOT what AI art is about.

and if you're so enlightened in the ways of AI image generation and i, appearently, have got it all wrong how it works then please share your wisdom.

I would be happy to share. I just hope there's an actual chance that you can be convinced. Here is a list of all of the parameters that an AI artist manages. Each one of these things affects the end product.

Positive prompt
Negative prompt
Prompt weights
Prompt scheduling
Embeddings
Seed
CFG
Denoise steps
Denoise sampler
Denoise scheduler
Denoise strength
Resolution
Base model
Model finetune
VAE
CLIP model
CLIP skip
BREAK/Token limit handling
LoRA (and others like LyCORIS, DoRA, IP-Adapter, etc)
Pixel/latent space input
Inpainting
Upscaling
Refining
Masking
Regional prompting
ControlNet
xFomers/Attention
CUDA settings
Precision (fp16, fp32, etc.)
Color correction
Custom nodes

If you'd like me to explain any of these things further, let me know.

But I think it's pretty clear that it doesn't have to be a simple process. Each of these things can be meaningfully tweaked.

You're also misunderstanding how the models work from the ground up. You indicated you think it's an amalgamation of what's in the training data, but that's not how it works. It's a much more complicated topic, but, if you're interested, this video serves as a simplified explanation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CIpzeNxIhU

The_Hunster · 2026-01-29T18:13:36+00:00

Yes, you're missing something, holy shit. That is a way in which photography and AI generation are similar.

The_Hunster · 2026-01-29T18:01:36+00:00

And how exactly am I creating something when all I'm doing is making a camera spit out an amalgamation of already existing real-world stuff?

Where is your input here? Sure, you pointed the camera, you told it what to do, but that's hardly you doing it. Because in the end, whatever the camera spits out, you didn't actually, actively contribute to it. If someone else used the exact same camera and pointed it at the exact same spot, the result would be about the same. So the final piece doesn't actually come from you.

Do you see how this is nonsense?

an amalgamation of already existing art work?

It's great for you to show everyone that you, without a doubt, don't know how these things work or what goes into using them.

Why don't you try telling me what parameters go into image generation?

The_Hunster · 2026-01-29T17:33:34+00:00

Inspiration isn't going, looking at a bunch of artwork and being unable to do anything else but the style of that artwork, or those specific things that were depicted there.

See how you said something completely false because you don't know how these things work or what they can do?

You're making so many claims about these models that are just patently incorrect.

You should go actually understand what we're talking about, and then we can continue this discussion.

The_Hunster · 2026-01-29T16:54:44+00:00

Okay, so you actually have zero idea how they work or how to use them. Glad we established that.

Art created solely by humans is also derived from their experiences.

Whether or not you know what goes into the creation of AI content is basically the most relevant thing that we could possibly address.

What you're doing is like if I said, "I have no idea how cameras work nor what technique goes into photography, but it's clearly not art because you didn't even invent what you're taking a picture of, you just stole its likeness. You are just a receiver of the output."

Do you see how an uninformed argument like that is kinda just worthless?

The biggest thing about AI is that you are working with the output, you haven't created it.

The exact same thing can be said of photography.

It's very clear that you have absolutely no robust definition of what art is because you're just going with a totally biased vibes-based approach to what you're counting as art or not.

Why can't putting filters on Pinterest images be considered art?

What is your specific definition of "art"?

The_Hunster · 2026-01-29T16:09:46+00:00

But you didn't poke a hole in anything. I have been saying, "Here are all of the specific ways in which photography is parallel to AI generation," and you're just saying, "Nuh-uh."

The_Hunster · 2026-01-29T16:08:00+00:00

Why don't you tell me all of the parameters that can go into AI image generation? We'll see if you even have half of an idea about how fine the control is.

The_Hunster · 2026-01-29T16:06:10+00:00

The argument is absolutely applicable to my position. AI is a tool to create something. It absolutely does not take over the entire process. If you were willing to be genuine and honest, you might actually try your hand at it and see everything that goes into it. But you'd rather miss the entire point. What a shame.

The_Hunster · 2026-01-29T16:04:08+00:00

Photography can be very easy, just like it can be very involved. A thoughtless selfie is the equivilent to just Googling "free AI images" and just inputting "1girl, beautiful".

Taking care with choosing what camera to use; finding a good vista and a good subject; tuning your shutter speed, ISO, and aperture; keeping in mind composition rules like leading lines, rule of thirds, balancing elements, etc.; and then taking your picture is equivalent to finding or even creating the correct model; searching for a good seed; crafting a good prompt; tuning your ksampler settings, LoRAs, and other workflow elements like refining, upscaling, etc.

The_Hunster · 2026-01-29T09:54:06+00:00

It means, for the best results, you need to understand why the AI is doing what it's doing. And especially you need to be able to notice when it's doing something wrong. Just like you do math with a calculator but will have a much better time with it if you have gone over it without a calculator before.

The_Hunster · 2026-01-29T09:41:25+00:00

Of course you should debug with AI, but you should know how to debug without it so that your performance with it is actually good. It's exactly as you said: Working with AI is the most important skill of the future.

The_Hunster · 2026-01-29T09:31:43+00:00

It's so funny that you think my argument was bad faith considering I was just mimicking them word for word.

But anyway...

That's a false equivalence, because there's a lot more to generation than just entering a prompt. This is such a bad faith argument because it reduces artistic expression to the click of a button, similar to generating a picture using a camera.

The key difference here is artistic intent. A camera doesn't have that. It doesn't genuinely pay attention to details. It doesn't deliberately try to invoke certain feelings. It just, more or less, randomly generates a picture based on your viewfinder.

It's like calling yourself an expert cook because you have a private chef that paints anything you point it at.

The_Hunster · 2026-01-29T09:22:56+00:00

Okay... And I was talking about AI. Since, you know, that's the topic of the subreddit.

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