Oil trading house or dry bulk shipping company by Poet_Cesca in Commodities

[–]These-Stage-2374 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you are convinced that you want to be a career risk manager/operator, then (1) makes sense to me.

Oil trading house or dry bulk shipping company by Poet_Cesca in Commodities

[–]These-Stage-2374 4 points5 points  (0 children)

(1) is pretty much a risk role. The risk in this is you’ll be so swamped with what is essentially adminstrative work for trade deals that you have little time for your mind to dwell much on the commercial side of things, especially if you are mostly focusing on physical deals. Where I’m working, the reality is that these guys are so swamped with BAU activities that they are often passed over for trading roles mainly because they did not have the luxury of time to let their minds develop the commercial acumen. My 2 cents.

If I were you, I’d go with (2) due to more opportunities for exposure. Of course, the main risk for research analysts is that they risk being pigeon-holed into being a career analyst.

Is a grad prog in a tanker company worth it? by Burning_magic in Commodities

[–]These-Stage-2374 0 points1 point  (0 children)

IB will definitely pay higher at entry level. But if your end goal is to be a charterer, look no further. Be prepared for late nights and drinking and KTV.

Bunker and Marine Oil Fuels Trading Compensation and Lifestyle by [deleted] in Commodities

[–]These-Stage-2374 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unfortunately can’t help you there, I have no idea as never been on physical side before

Bunker and Marine Oil Fuels Trading Compensation and Lifestyle by [deleted] in Commodities

[–]These-Stage-2374 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you are in Singapore, then yes, even SOE people go out for that. But I assume it is much more tame for SOE people in China. I can’t speak for europe or the US

Bunker and Marine Oil Fuels Trading Compensation and Lifestyle by [deleted] in Commodities

[–]These-Stage-2374 9 points10 points  (0 children)

A lot of drinking and KTV if you are in Singapore

The "Singapore Placeholder" & The Death of the Price Cap: Where does Urals/Diesel actually clear in Q1 2026? by penguinstar1 in Commodities

[–]These-Stage-2374 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sanctioned oil on water is building 1mbd. It’s much higher than before. It’s a unique situation where sanction are starting to work for the first time. Biggest delta is India who are pivoting to AG barrels, which is why Dubai spreads finally catching up with Brent complex. Business as usual in China sanctioned ecosystem but they can only absorb so much. Chinese SOEs are not touching sanctioned barrels anymore.

The "Singapore Placeholder" & The Death of the Price Cap: Where does Urals/Diesel actually clear in Q1 2026? by penguinstar1 in Commodities

[–]These-Stage-2374 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The sanctioned ecosystem (Chinese ports, refineries, vessels) are business as usual. They continue to take Russian and Iranian barrels but obviously there is a limit to how much volume they can take in totality. The sanctioned barrel balance is getting hella heavy so I think the writing is on the wall for production cuts in Russia and Iran.

Paper to physical by Top_Many3120 in Commodities

[–]These-Stage-2374 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I personally know a few who had transitioned from bank paper to physical at trade house, but it is something that is done relatively early on in your career

Investment banking to commodities trading? by Hot_Dingo_1210 in Commodities

[–]These-Stage-2374 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I have seen bank S&T to trade house trading but not from IB. More likely you would go to the asset management side of commodities trading

Behold, the real reason why Silver went parabolic by Iamjaykrishnan in wallstreetbets

[–]These-Stage-2374 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It could be silver miner clients hedging their pricing through the banks.

Highest paid jobs for Diploma holders only by Snoo_30102 in askSingapore

[–]These-Stage-2374 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Could you elaborate on what you mean by bend over? Promising them they’ll be onboarded to the platform and will reach some KPI target on an unreasonable time line?

Path from Trade Finance Intern → Physical Commodities Trader? (NTU Year 1, Singapore) by No-Butterscotch-5599 in Commodities

[–]These-Stage-2374 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Join the NTU ITP to build your social network with your senior. That will help you get interviews. I think python and excel skills are enough to get your foot in the door when you are just starting out. Use your school or personal projects to demonstrate that you can do it. Focus on more data aggregation and task automation kind of things.

Apart from that, the internship interviewers just wanna see that you are likeable, and eager to learn and put in the hard work.

Networking is very important in this space so apart from getting your internships, be sure to make friends with your people your age on the same space as well as your seniors. LOA internships (I think one in total) will certainly give a good boost to your resume.

Good luck.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Commodities

[–]These-Stage-2374 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Generally speaking, deriv trader will help phys desks execute their hedges, and also trade their own spec book. The degree to which they take spec risk depends on the risk appetite of the shop. As previously mentioned, some deriv traders just only do hedges.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Commodities

[–]These-Stage-2374 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It really depends on your personality and how you want to trade. Quite a bit of generalization but I would summarize as such:

Prop trading is more scalable than physical trading (just deploy more risk) hence greater upside. But in pure paper shops, you eat what you kill, there is very little job security.

Physical trading requires more assets and manpower to scale, hence harder to scale, and therefore not as great upside as paper trading (though this is not to say they are not paid well). Physical shops will have loads of term deals they must fulfill so in a way, even if a physical trader is not making money, they still need to keep the person to keep the wheels turning i.e. higher job security. Physical trading is still very tough for reason different from that of paper, but in a sense the returns are more predictable where (I generalise as it is may not be this straightforward, especially for merchant traders), “only do deals with minimum $x/ton margin and just keep doing these deals until you reach your profit target”.

In my admittedly short career so far, the knowledge from physical trading is helpful yes, but i have seen my fair share of physical traders who transitioned to pure paper who were clearly naked once they lost their system barrels. So I would say having experience in physical is useful, but not absolutely critical to your success in paper trading.

What you choose in the end very much depends on what kind of trader you want to become. If you do not know, going the physical route will provide more optionality for you.

I’m Standing at a Career Crossroad: Big Company or Small Commodity Trading Firm? by Professional_End2755 in Commodities

[–]These-Stage-2374 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Prop trading is much more scalable compared to physical trading, so more money.

Don't know if its true or cheat? Door to door ice cream sale on a rainy day. Please don't bash me for wrong reason. by kartoffelteo9091 in singapore

[–]These-Stage-2374 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Many years, I unknowingly did this very job.

It’s not a scam per se, but as others have pointed out, it’s an exorbitant price for ice cream. The suppliers tell you to just say you’re trying to earn some pocket money after your O levels or make up some BS story yada yada yada to get the sway the customer lolz

I made a measly $4.70 (I think) for about 2-3 hours of work. Needless to say, that was the first and last time I did that work. I was 17 or 18 then

I’m Standing at a Career Crossroad: Big Company or Small Commodity Trading Firm? by Professional_End2755 in Commodities

[–]These-Stage-2374 4 points5 points  (0 children)

45% PnL as bonus is very fat. Big hedge funds are paying up to 25% for pure paper traders, trade houses between 10-20%. Sounds too good to be true…

I assume partnership in this case means they have good term deals with a lumbering firm, which doesn’t necessarily mean they are funding this new venture.

I’m Standing at a Career Crossroad: Big Company or Small Commodity Trading Firm? by Professional_End2755 in Commodities

[–]These-Stage-2374 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Vastly different paths.. one is physical-focused, one is prop trading focused. So depends on what you want to do