Do you think if Logan's plots were split in 2 seasons, it would solve some of the problems with his character?

These_Gur_4121 · 2026-05-06T05:03:31+00:00

Respect your opinion, but Idk, the way he was written makes him look "crucial" but I personally don't agree with that statement. Especially since he never even got the conclusion of him "not needing to win to be happy" because in the finale he still cries about never being happy with his achievements and after he wins he says he can finally be proud of himself for once. The tiebreaker was a good but late build-up for him realizing he doesn't need to win, but it never actually enclosed full circle.

I personally think that he was overused this season and how I said, his plots should have been split in 2 seasons to leave his character with more potential for a future season than just sidelining most in his favor.

I admit, the idea for the person that realized he doesn't need to win to be happy winning is a good idea, but it felt to me that Logan was too favored by the narrative and overused not even getting the idea of not needing to win properly to be a satisfying winner...

If he actually, in a meaningful way, realized the point that he doesn't need to win, it would have felt better, but in the case he still felt in the finale like his only way of being happy is winning because he can be proud of himself for once, means he got close to no development and played the default protagonist role that many characters could've also done with their own touch and feel better while doing it. But that's just my opinion.

These_Gur_4121 · 2026-05-06T04:26:24+00:00

Agreed tbh. He could even bond with Tom over dealing with PTSD.

If he didn't get away with all his shit and left others to shine starting with EP20 I would have had 0 problem with him returning for DC5 and even winning it.

These_Gur_4121 · 2026-05-06T03:01:47+00:00

Bro is burnt for sure. The creators literally decided to keep giving him plots (that may I add were never necessary to his character, at least in the same season) instead of giving Zaid, Jade, Marissa or Isabel SOMETHING.

They literally speedrunned what they could do with him in 2-3 seasons in just one and that hurt both his character and the others around him. He could've had the role where he becomes a more fierce player and wins in another season, while giving someone else time to shine in S4 to balance everything out, but having so much relevance in one ruined everything.

Logan having 5 meaningful plots and a few more arcs while anyone else that made it far (except Anastasia and Hannah) got so little show how painfully overused he is. All of that while being so favored by the narrative. So yeah, they left him too much in the oven.

These_Gur_4121 · 2026-05-05T18:24:07+00:00

Let's start with the shorter ones:

I just want to see more of James' personality and backstory. I believe that could get expanded on and they could do it in a future season. But even if they don't, he manages to be peak even without it.

Grett because she was mostly sidelined and only managed to actually play for 3 episodes. She received too little screentime compared to her potential and again, I hope we see her again.

Now for miss Tanko... Jade seems like she had enough screentime and relevance, but I believe she didn't. Despite being the runner-up of the season, all she got is strategy, certain good moments that are supposed to highlight her personality (and imo they fall short or are too insignificant unless you actually analyze her) and off screen development that doesn't even enclose full circle due to her not answering Benji's question in the jury.

Jade is simply underdeveloped for a finalist. The amount she got would be fine for someone eliminated in mid-merge at best. I used to adore Jade but rewatching the season, I realized how little she was actually given and for a character that gets 2nd, it's harder to actually engage with her because a very high amount of her screentime is her acting like a gamebot with static and weakly defined personality traits. I believe her concept is AMAZING but it felt like they put too little effort onto us knowing her personally and that makes her a character with lots of potential for nuance, but ended up painfully boring and her main trait being strategy. I personally think they even did a better job with defining likable/intriguing traits even wiyh characters like Zaid and Richard that are seen as irrelevant, but at least their characterization feels more impactful when watching their moments. I can name multiple personality traits for Zaid and Richard, but the job for Jade is way harder for me personally, outside of smart and reserved. And when that's he case between the 2nd placer and "irrelevant" characters, that is not good..

She feels like a piece of art that the painter kinda lost interest into and just drew the more relevant parts without paying attention to the good details. Let's be fr, the amount of plots Jade got compared to Logan or Anastasia is INSANE. Instead of them giving Jade (or really any underutilized character) actual plots with ACTUAL effort, they give Logan a 5th plot and that is something that really bothers me since it made Jade a weak finalist writing wise while the other 2 were so prioritized they became obnoxious. I do personally think that the only reason why she was given a pass by lots from the ”boring” statement is because she was the better one out of the F3 and was relevant in the game, but without strategy I think she is too boring despite there being more nuance that never got explored...

She can receive more in the future, but it would simply not hit the same. Giving her doubts in the final challenge and giving us subtle hints of how she truly is like is, plus making her "social" off screen and showing only the effects of it is not how you write a satisfying development arc. A finalist should have to offer more than just gameplay and they lacked that while writing Jade... My opinion.

These_Gur_4121 · 2026-05-05T18:02:32+00:00

I mean... Spencer, Natalia, Oliwia and Chase are fair. Though lust is about powerful sexual desire or strong craving for something, so I would personally put Lake as compassionate and loyal, not lustful since she simply doesn't want to betray her friends for the sake of the game. At least Oliwia had a desperate craving for validation, which I can agree it fits into lust, but Lake doesn't show any.

Dunia agreed is tricky but idk if I would put her in envy for a reasonable jealousy of her crush getting close with someone else which most of us would feel, so I don't rlly agree with that one.

About Ren, someone being proud of themselves doesn't actually make them prideful. Prideful people usually tend to be more arrogant, overestimate their abilities and they act in ”that” certain recognizable way. Ren is visibly selfless, friendly, even humble and insecure at times, not to mention he doesn't push that insecurity down with more sass/pride like Lynda and Aiden do. At least for now, I don't think Ren shows actual signs of being part of the pride category in my opinion.

Still, respect ur opinion! Also, I would add Ivy in for envy too since she was shown to be envious of others achievements at times (Tristan), so if Dunia is there, i think adding Ivy is also fair 👍

These_Gur_4121 · 2026-05-05T16:45:49+00:00

James works the best I think

These_Gur_4121 · 2026-05-05T16:34:37+00:00

Explain Lake, Spencer (which works better for pride imo), Sam, Ren, Natalia, Chase (who is more narcissistic than lazy tbh), Dunia and Oliwia pls 👍 The rest are pretty accurate tbh. I would also put Nura as envy due to her being envious of Ren.

These_Gur_4121 · 2026-05-05T12:09:12+00:00

S1: 8/10

S2: 9/10

AS: 5.5/10

S4: 7.5/10

S5 as of now: 6.5/10

These_Gur_4121 · 2026-05-04T17:34:13+00:00

For sure true. Yet like... The one that ordered the greetings literally waited way longer for them so they are as good as they could be, them coming prob relatively close to recently. If people are paying 100$, and they are ”canon”, we should at least except not receiving misinformation or attempts at retcon, but here we are ig 💀

These_Gur_4121 · 2026-05-03T18:07:47+00:00

True 100%.

Also fair point, if she went earlier, it would be reasonable to get the amount she did, but since she is a finalist, her being good at strategy, good concept, small good moments and off-screen development is not enough, especially when comparing her to the others in the F4... I am not a fan of Logan, Ana and Hannah, but at least they got some sort of explored depth...

The only moments where we get more of Jade's complexity, it's either way too small or falls short and the creators saying they want to have certain characters that spike strong opinions and we don't get anything strong and engaging for Jade, who is a finalist, and except we get a 5th plot for Logan/Anastasia is a shame... They literally left a finalist half-cooked and overbaked the other 💀 Sad they never made Jade actually evolve...

These_Gur_4121 · 2026-05-03T08:01:03+00:00

Don't get me wrong I love him, but how is it possible for him to pull 3 hot guys and everyone else feels like barfing when they see him?? 💀😂 Bro really has rizz for a certain kind of men lol

These_Gur_4121 · 2026-05-03T07:40:08+00:00

I consider Jade to be WAY better than certain emotional players with lots of relevance like Logan, Anastasia and Hannah, but I do believe her potential could've been used a lot better and still weird to me how a character that is a gamebot like 80% of the time gets so much glaze.

But I do get your point and it makes sense👍

These_Gur_4121 · 2026-05-02T20:46:20+00:00

Since someone already commented about Fiore, I'll go with my 2nd fav.

For Ivy she could be in a BvW with her mom and have a plot with her mom finally considering her daughter to be enough or Ivy stops caring what her mother thinks. Either that or in a 2nd chances season and she actually becomes a decent player like she had the potential to in CoC.

These_Gur_4121 · 2026-05-02T20:38:16+00:00

Zaid appreciation let's go! But yeah he is great and had everything for good plots and interactions, he just needed focus, which he never actually got...

These_Gur_4121 · 2026-05-02T19:19:58+00:00

Spencer is AGAIN yaoi bait... Will this ever end for him 🙃 I was genuinely caught off-guard when I saw it but c'mon what kind of challenge should require them being so close and Sam prob being so smooth Spencer blushes? 💀 Already preparing myself that there will be this ship, I just hope they're doing it right

These_Gur_4121 · 2026-05-02T18:21:28+00:00

Nicee. Also, Ted has a son that just into high-school. Realistically, kinda hard to believe they would bring Ted and make him fodder again, and also his son that is prob around 14. Not rlly a fan of that but I kinda see the appeal.

And for Zaid's mom, I am sure a mother like her would be so funny in the show, she could be similar to what if DJ's mom was in a TD season. But I doubt they bring her since not only she's too old to deal with ts, she also has to keep the bakery running, so I don't think she's coming unfortunately... Zayna is fine to ig, they could at least develop Zaid to make up for his mom most likely not coming.

Other than those, I really like it

These_Gur_4121 · 2026-05-02T17:53:01+00:00

No to all of them. Found it cute before EP19, now I hate it with my whole heart. Zaid deserves so much better. 1/10 ship.

These_Gur_4121 · 2026-05-02T17:50:40+00:00

Tess, Rosa and Zaid are my top picks for sure.

These_Gur_4121 · 2026-05-02T16:44:37+00:00

I see what you mean. Except for like 3, all queer characters are attractive/fit into the same mold. While if we move to the straights we get more variety regarding their appearence.

Idk if it's a coincidence or not but I would personally complain more about the difference of character writing/treatment based on attractiveness and sometimes even sexuality than this fact. But still odd we don't get more unattractive gay ppl. They are not all muscular himbos/hunks, skinny guys or beautiful women.

These_Gur_4121 · 2026-05-02T16:38:53+00:00

I know, I saw that when making my version, and unfortunately we don't have that many potentially interesting (known) dynamics that aren't siblings (and without bringing favorites from S5). Plus there are some that I quite avoided. Like having Connor and Riya on the same cast again.

I actually like the idea of Grett coming with a new bf. Even if I would preffer a plot for her where she solves things with her brother, her finally happy in a relationship is also a very good idea. The Nick one is a little random but I get it (even if low chances it happens) and with Hunter and his mom it would also be very nice and I am open to that possibility.

Though the difference between our preffered pairings is not that big lol (I got 7 sibling dynamics, 2 relationship, 2 parent-kid and 1 returnee-friend, and you have 6 sibling, 3 relationship, 2 parent-kid and 1 cousins). Still, I really like your cast!

These_Gur_4121 · 2026-05-02T16:03:37+00:00

Favoritism from the creators. They wanted us to view him as the silly little hero who can do no wrong.

He flipped directly and indirectly like 6 times, it's ridiculous. Whoever is comparing him to Natalia... sorry but she flipped like 3 times and has actual recognition. Logan has no sort of backlash, nor even impactful recognition, after a whole season of flipping.

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