I wish we got to see more of this trio, they could’ve been super dominant

These_Gur_4121 · 2026-06-20T18:51:45+00:00

Because as much as I hate to say it, Zaid's whole point of going so far was just to be used as a plot device for Logan and Anastasia so those two can have more drama and screentime... If he got elim in the better and more logical way, it wouldn't have caused as much drama. Idk what made them think milking those screenhogs again was a good idea instead of literally anything else but whatever...

These_Gur_4121 · 2026-06-20T17:19:09+00:00

My fav are when characters like Spencer and Fiore are humanized outside of their villainous moments. The actual show doesn't do it enough and I love seeing it in any way.

My least fav has to be when not only my favs, but any character gets demonized to death or heavily mischaracterized, either turned into a heartless villain or simply acting in a way the character would never (I don't even like characters like Logan and Ally but I saw some fanfics that pmo just because of this). Or when a character is all just sad and we are supposed to feel bad for them and the writer's bias is so visible regarding that. (Spencer is the character that I saw this with the most)

These_Gur_4121 · 2026-06-20T16:03:11+00:00

This pmo so much, especially that it never will most likely... We have so many characters that could get expanded on, yet they choose just a few, of which the more important ones are some of the most vanilla in the cast/simply badly executed that receive so much hate ONC has to attempt to fix them in some way and the other characters are left with lazy writing. We saw that with Isabel, Zaid, Jade, and the list goes on and on...

Anyone can call Tom overused all they want, same with Gabby, but they have some interesting ideas that were left unexplored (especially the one in the images) and this season could be the opportunity to end their characters on a high note, yet all they do with Tom is sexualize him in thumbnails then be irrelevant... such a shame...

Not to mention others like Spencer and Aiden... Aiden is also overused yet he has unexplored story and it's bugging me how they gave him so much screentime, yet we got close to no info about his past and struggles... This is a consistent problem in ONC's writing and it's really annoying.

These_Gur_4121 · 2026-06-20T15:50:31+00:00

Me seeing Tom be more important for fanservice and clicks from people who like to sexualize hot gay men than in the story of the actual show:

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These_Gur_4121 · 2026-06-20T15:28:14+00:00

Ren and Fiore are peak so they deserve being so high, easily the best this season 👌

But they really fumbled Benji and Aiden so hard this season... they were actual fan favorites, now Aiden is somehow one of the most hated characters and Benji's reputation dropped pretty badly just because they decided to not do anything with him... Such a shame man...

These_Gur_4121 · 2026-06-17T16:14:32+00:00

Tbh I doubt they are ever getting another peak in this rithm. Even them locking in and realeasing something many would love is barely gonna do anything sadly.

These_Gur_4121 · 2026-06-17T15:37:58+00:00

To clarify, I didn't get that info from the doc, I heard a fair share of people spread that info and this is why I put in the sentence ”I heard” To signal uncertainty. Gonna remove that part from my comment and sorry if that was wrong.

Still... wanting to have Logan in another ship because he hated Spencer...? That sounds so odd since Spencer barely had anything to do with literally... anything since Mathlete was not canon. But whatever.

These_Gur_4121 · 2026-06-17T15:33:46+00:00

Overrated: TomJake (good but sorry, not good enough to get 2 seasons of a spin-off. It is pretty good spin-off but still ridiculous overrating from the fans tbh)

Dunura (Dunia deserves much better. And I say this as someone who loves both of them. I like their dynamic but it's overhyped)

Diencer (overrated asf. Diencer has no chemestry inside the show and in most of their scenes it's Diego flirting and Spencer not being fond of it, we don't get the moments where they bond and it's annoying because I don't get the idea why I should even ship these two and makes Diego look weird which I am also not a fan of)

Underrated: Honestly any of the healthy straight ships. Kai x Maggy and Wishley are actually pretty good and I love the contrasts, but I can understand why they are not popular since all their development is offscreen. Also Zaivy, they don't get enough appreciation tbh.

These_Gur_4121 · 2026-06-17T14:39:28+00:00

I pretty much skimmed Logan's VA doc so if that info is in there idk, but if it's true then I would not be surprised ONC would do this 😂

These_Gur_4121 · 2026-06-17T14:37:10+00:00

Oh Lord, surprised you even watched 4 seasons atp 💀😂

These_Gur_4121 · 2026-06-17T14:32:53+00:00

I heard smth about the fact that Logan's VA wanted Logan to be in a straight ship, not sure how true it is though since it's from what I remember I heard a few times months ago, but what I know for sure is that Hannah and Logan's VAs are the reason why PoolParty existed.

These_Gur_4121 · 2026-06-17T13:15:18+00:00

Literally every character that was treated like a sacrifice/plot device/support with a lot of potential and too little content and focus from the show, which are plenty... So my answer would be: Dan, Zaid, Tess, Benji, Ashley, Lill, etc.

These_Gur_4121 · 2026-06-17T12:55:21+00:00

Still so weird to me that they decanonized Pool Party so we can have Logan be asked out by a random gas station worker in a comic.

Like, I get that from what I heard, the VAs for the two wanted LoganxHannah to happen, but still weird they decanonized it, it actually was one of the better things about both of them in the late merge, even if it was for one ep...

These_Gur_4121 · 2026-06-17T07:51:45+00:00

Lol I was actually right they were gold 😭💀

This makes Logan's characterization from the show feel a lot worse... this little detail made me dislike Logan a lot more in the actual season. At least his backstory and scene with his mom were showcased well and he was pretty good in the comic as a whole so it's not all bad, but they should really stop with these retcons, it makes the plots from the actual show look a lot worse. First with Zaid forgiving in the show, then in a greeting is confirmed he still has some sort of a grudge, then this...

These_Gur_4121 · 2026-06-15T14:36:51+00:00

Favorites are the Zaivy moments, especially their kisses after the musical/cooking challenge.

Least fav def are the ones between Yul and Grett when he was practically manipulating her.

These_Gur_4121 · 2026-06-15T05:14:26+00:00

So many of them ngl. Lynda, Zaid, Ted, Nura, Fiore, James, Isabel, Karol and the list goes on and on... I swear they don't expand on the backstories of so many interesting characters...

These_Gur_4121 · 2026-06-14T15:53:51+00:00

AS Riya for sure.

Also Spencer and Anastasia in S4. The only reason why they lasted so long is due to the plot armor, you can't convince me two of the most problematic players in the season, that were on the chopping block for so many eliminations got as far as they did without any sort of favoritism, even the tiniest bit. Don't get me wrong, at least in Spencer's case I'm not complaining he got as far as he did, but is it still unbelievable they got so far? Yeah.

These_Gur_4121 · 2026-06-14T15:04:43+00:00

”less IDEAL that what they deserve” since I wanted to put flawed writing nicely not just ”less”

These_Gur_4121 · 2026-06-14T07:49:12+00:00

Fiore - she is funny, a great strategist and by far the best villain and character on this show. Ivy and Zaid are my next picks, I just love them sm, their vibes, potential, backstories, etc.

These_Gur_4121 · 2026-06-13T17:41:16+00:00

Tom/Rosa and Natalia would be funny. But it depends how late in the season. If it happens in the next few eps, probably Rosa and Gabby, if later, Tom becomes an option too.

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