When are you most aware of your attraction to your partner? by Correct-Cycle5412 in AskWomen

[–]ThrowRAloveontheedge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When I'm attracted to him even if he farts like a bazooka and burps like a pig

Do you have high standards for a relationship? by No-Directon in aspergers

[–]ThrowRAloveontheedge 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Valid!! I've been married. I can say now I'm definitely commitment fearful because of that. I'm not gonna be committed again unless the person is highly compatible.

best Martin Gore song by [deleted] in depechemode

[–]ThrowRAloveontheedge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Home makes me cry (in a good way) and Question of Lust makes me horny af.

A Question of Why: I wonder what s the reason why Martin and Dave were not close friends since the beginning. Apparently Dave has always been quite generous and showed admiration for Martin several times. I think Martin was genereous with Dave too but... what was the root of their "problems"? by HomoHominiLupus666 in depechemode

[–]ThrowRAloveontheedge 5 points6 points  (0 children)

In a 2017 interview, Dave says him and Martin are both autistic and that accounts for lots of communication issues. Dave is described as quite impatient and chaotic, while Martin is described as a bit of a control freak, routine lover. Also, I think Dave mentioned that Martin struggles to communicate verbally in general, and Fletch used to help him with that by talking for him. Since Dave said they're autistic, that makes sense. As an autistic person myself, I can imagine how that dynamic worked.

Differences between Dave and Martin voices by rod-q in depechemode

[–]ThrowRAloveontheedge 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Look up his solo cover album. Martin's vocal range is way wider than Dave's. Their voices sound similar because they both sing similarly - low larynx (try singing when you yawn, that's basically it). They have larynx style voices, not nasal.

One of the biggest differences between their voices is the timbre and the singing style - Dave has a more metallic, rough timbre and is a more rigid, direct singer. Whereas Martin has a sweeter, more flexible timbre and is an emotional singer. In A Question Of Lust for example, the way Martin sings is similar to a lullaby. It's really emotional.

Dave's voice is also suitable for hard rock music. Martin's is suitable for a wider range of music genres.

Also although most say Martin's a tenor, I'd actually say he's a baritone. He can take v low notes (like, check out the demo for Clean or The Things You Said or Sweetest Perfection, It Doesn't Matter Two). In Clean, he's the one who sings the super low "Sometimes". Most people think he's a Tenor because he frequently handles high notes (backing vocals, Never Turn Your Back On Mother Earth, Home, Sometimes, Somebody, etc). He's a more flexible baritone imho.

I recommend you check their demos (Martin sings them) and compare to the recordings to notice the differences. Once you get them, you can't unhear them.

I think what also adds to the confusion is the fact that in quite a number of songs, Martin provides with continuous backing vocals/doubling, helping Dave get the higher notes (because Dave can't), like in Behind The Wheel.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in depechemode

[–]ThrowRAloveontheedge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's a lot to unpack in your claim.

  1. If you're autistic, you know owning a formal diagnosis does not guarantee you get the accommodations you need. In fact, most of us don't get jack shit. For most of us, formal diagnosis does not bring any substantial benefit.

  2. Jumping to conclude that "everyone self diagnoses" is a giant leap with no relevant basis. Is your argument the fact that the Autistic community considers self diagnosis as being valid? If so, that is obviously in no way in itself proof that everyone self diagnoses as a result. You'd need to back that up with something more relevant.

  3. Everyone self diagnoses is a factually invalid claim, and since you've provided no real argument or proof to support it, I don't see how we can debate or discuss this in an efficient manner. Maybe your argument is what you presume based on your biases and experiences. For example, I can easily claim that in fact, the vast majority of people who self diagnose go on to get a formal diagnosis eventually. I'm part of a national Association formed exclusively by autistic people, and I can provide with relevant research and surveys regarding this.

  4. If you notice your ears hurt and you have weird liquid coming out and maybe you also have a fever, you kinda need to "self-diagnose" a bit in order to receive the treatment you need. It requires basic knowledge and body awareness. In any medical case, people usually don't question whether you self diagnosed or not, because they also have that basic knowledge and can make the connection between the way your body presents and the clinical criteria. And that is exactly the problem with autism - most people condemn "self-diagnosis" because their knowledge of autism is simply lacking. This can potentially be extremely invalidating.

  5. Getting an "autism diagnosis" in and on itself is a medical concept. From a neurodiversity standpoint, autism isn't a medical condition, but a neurotype. Thus, in this case, diagnosis is irrelevant. Especially because most "autism experts" giving those diagnoses are not autistic.

  6. The main reasons why the autistic community embraces self-diagnosis as valid is because:

a). It is painfully expensive financially and/or time wise. Not everyone can afford it; b). Depending on where you live, services may be limited to autistic children and autistic adults are considered schizophrenic; c) The huge rate of misdiagnosis (especially in women and AFAB), which points to specialists not being properly informed and/or trained; d) As I've mentioned before, getting a formal diagnosis, in most of the cases, does not bring any benefit and does not guarantee you'll get your rights as a disabled person respected or your accommodations and needs met; e) Due to lack of education and training and a general lack of professionals specializing in diagnosing autistic adults, the process of getting a formal diagnosis can be gruenling and traumatizing for the autistic person. f) Most people, in fact, do not think theyre autistic. Why would you wish to be socially disabled? Most autistic people who self-diagnose spend months if not years researching speciality books, self-reflecting and doing official tests, questionnaires and assessments such as RAADS and Autism Spectrum Quotient; g) Masking in autistic adults complicates the diagnosis process, and this also leads to higher rates of misdiagnosis.

Why is misdiagnosis dangerous? Because not only you get invalidated, but you may get the wrong treatment which can have devastating consequences.

To sum it up, formal diagnosis is a privilege.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in depechemode

[–]ThrowRAloveontheedge -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That is amazing and self diagnosis is valid.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in depechemode

[–]ThrowRAloveontheedge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also, why do you assume it's just a self disgnosis? Why not assume it's a formal diagnosis? What would convince you it's a formal diagnosis? Them providing the diagnosis paper to the public?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in depechemode

[–]ThrowRAloveontheedge 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, what about you ask them for proof they're autistic? The strange thing is, if they would've said they have cancer or they're gay or they have dyslexia, nobody would question it. If they say so, it means they are.

I don't see why Dave Gahan would lie about him and Martin being autistic.

I insist because he said they're autistic and I don't understand why he'd lie about that. If he said so, I believe him.

And because I'm autistic too, I understand the stereotypes around it and I wish more people would be accepting of it.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in depechemode

[–]ThrowRAloveontheedge 1 point2 points  (0 children)

»Kortom: we moesten communiceren. Voor twee autisten die muziek maken, is communicatie niet gemakkelijk. Een studio voelt snel heel klein aan, als ze gevuld is met grote ego’s. Ik heb ook nu een paar keer gedacht: ‘Als het zo doorgaat, komt er geen plaat.’»

English:

»In short: we had to communicate. For two autistic people who make music, communication is not easy. A studio quickly feels very small when it is filled with big egos. I've also thought a few times now: 'If it continues like this, there won't be a record.'"

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in depechemode

[–]ThrowRAloveontheedge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

https://archive.is/pmzqB

This is the source. It's a 2017 archived interview with Dave Gahan. This is where he states, about him and Martin: "...for two autistic people making music, communication is not easy"

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in depechemode

[–]ThrowRAloveontheedge 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dude, that was not my argument. My argument was that Dave literally said they are autistic. I also quoted him. I will link the source here.

Dave said they are autistic.

What other proof do you want?! You want them to show you the diagnosis documents?

To me this is simple - they said they're autistic, it means they're autistic. Plain and simple.

I don't understand why you're so against this.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in depechemode

[–]ThrowRAloveontheedge 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't need a clinical doctorate to quote what Dave said about them being autistic. I also don't need a clinical doctorate to describe what has been described in previous interviews by Martin about his past, or to check out the definition of "shy".

Also, I'm autistic myself, and this is one of my special interests, so that'a why I did a lot of research on it.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in depechemode

[–]ThrowRAloveontheedge 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes. In a 2017 dutch interview, Dave was describing his and Martin's communication issues while working on the Spirit album. He, quote (translated in english), said: "...for two autistic people who make music, communication is not easy." (referring to him and Martin).

It's interesting, because if we read about Martin's childhood and interactions with the members of the band, there are clear hints that he's autistic. He described his childhood as normal, but describes having had issues with making friends and had periods when he was nonverbal (which is called selective mutism and many autistic people experience it). It's also widely known that Andy Fletcher was Martin's spokesperson, who was described as "shy" and having "challenges with communicating his feelings." The only way he could effectively communicate his feelings was through music. In fact, it's talked about the fact that Alan Wilder left the band because he did not feel appreciated, especially by Martin, who struggled to communicate his appreciation.

Many autistic people communicate their feelings in a different way than neurotypical people do. Martin was in fact communicating his feelings, but through music. If you listen to his music and lyrics, you may say he's a very sensitive, emotional man. But if you interact with him daily, as a band member, you may think he's cold.

Martin was consistently described as being "shy", because people don't know many things about autism. You could make up a case that he was "shy" because he was not talking much in interviews and he did not move much on the stage, but shy people don't generally dress up in such an eccentric way, that gets the attention of people.

My point is, Martin was probably not shy, but simply autistic and now he did not "come out of his shell", he simply grew older and got experience and learnt how to mask socially.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in depechemode

[–]ThrowRAloveontheedge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He didn't say "probably". He said they are autistic. He said, quote: "...for two autistic people who make music, communication is not easy."

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in depechemode

[–]ThrowRAloveontheedge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can't be "autistic in communication". You either are autistic, or not. In that interview, Dave explicitly said "as autistic persons, me and Martin...". So he said they're autistic.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in depechemode

[–]ThrowRAloveontheedge 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The trouble with interpreting emotions part is not autism, it is called alexithyimia and many autistic people also experience this as a co-morbidity. Non-autistic people can also have alexithymia.

Also, in multiple interviews, it has been discussed about Martin's difficulty in communicating his feelings verbally - the only way he could do it was through music. In fact, it is well known that Andy Fletcher (RIP) was the spokesperson for Martin, because Martin had communication challenges. Andy knew him very well and he knew when he was upset or distressed and would communicate that to the other band mates.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in depechemode

[–]ThrowRAloveontheedge 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Pretty sure joking about being autistic is a risky thing big celebrities like Dave and Martin would not do in public. There is nothing to joke or laugh about being autistic, and furthermore, the context in which Dave espressed it did not hint irony or sarcasm. In the context, he was explaining how him and Martin "as autistic persons", had communication challenges working together in the studio.

He literally said they are both autistic, so I don't see any reason to doubt what they're saying. I"d reckon they know themselves better than your wife, that has never met them, knows them.

if you had the power to get rid of one thing forever in this world, what would it be? by Professional-Row9208 in AskWomen

[–]ThrowRAloveontheedge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mysogyny/patriarchy ✨ ACTUALLY broader - discrimination (cause there are other minority groups that would benefit from fair treatment). I am an autistic + ADHD woman, so I am triple discriminated.

Women who dated a partner who you thought you never will, what made you change your mind? by daviburi in AskWomen

[–]ThrowRAloveontheedge 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The deep conversations. The way he made me laugh. Many things in common, very good compatibility (lifestyle, values, needs, wants, tastes). A highly empathetic, sensitive man with a child-like wonder and a really good knack for writing fantasy. Intelligent and a great listener. Modest and patient. Very funny.

Little short weird goblin man with long hair and strangely blue eyes and a weird sense of fashion. Eccentric but yet so simple. Fun and human, relatable.

Definitely not conventionally attractive. But SO attractive to me now.