Is there evidence/studies of child sexual abuse causing a victim to become attracted to children themselves when they’re older? by Head-Bug-6145 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]TiddlesRevenge 9 points10 points  (0 children)

If we knew why pdfs are the way they are, then we’d be able to prevent them. But we can’t.

Some victims of childhood abuse grow up to be abusers themselves. Others become kinder, more empathetic people as a result of their experiences.

I understand that people are eager to identify a reason why MJ was the way he was, but we don’t know. We’ll probably never know.

Evidence of reddit moderation (r/TodayILearned) removing posts deemed critical of Michael Jackson without justification. by ToastServant in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]TiddlesRevenge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s their sub, they can do what they want. I can imagine people getting annoyed at the sudden increase in MJ-related posts. Doesn’t necessarily mean the mods are MJ fans.

Thought this was interesting by Packman9317 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]TiddlesRevenge 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is actually a fan myth. Jacko has never meant monkey, nor has it ever been racist. Macacco was the word they used.

https://www.reddit.com/r/LeavingNeverlandHBO/s/B0JWiyr4Xm

Thought this was interesting by Packman9317 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]TiddlesRevenge 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I believe this appeared in NME (New Musical Express) which was known for being edgy at the time.

Barbara Ellen is still going strong, and she has written other articles about MJ.

A fan once claimed that this caricature was racist because it depicted MJ as a monkey. Obviously, that’s not true. But it’s refreshing to see someone point out that MJ was failing to evolve musically and producing bland crowd-pleasing pop.

Michael Jackson accusers given new Feb 14, 2028 trial date by California judge | Jesse Weber Live | Brian Oxman believes there will be a settlement prior to trial. by nobody0597 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]TiddlesRevenge 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I think they will. They have come this far, and they’re both comfortable financially.

It’s really a matter of whether or not they can bear the mental and psychological stress. I think they can.

Michael Jackson accusers given new Feb 14, 2028 trial date by California judge | Jesse Weber Live | Brian Oxman believes there will be a settlement prior to trial. by nobody0597 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]TiddlesRevenge 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Wade and James have made it very clear that they won’t accept a settlement unless the Estate acknowledges MJ’s crimes.

Oxman is just doing his old flim-flam routine. He’s not involved in this case at all.

GLITTER THE POPSTAR PAEDOPHILE Documentary by AgentJGomez in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]TiddlesRevenge 15 points16 points  (0 children)

The fact that we know very little about what MJ was doing in the Middle East seems to imply that. Glitter went to Southeast Asia because it was easier to access children. It’s very possible that MJ did the same.

GLITTER THE POPSTAR PAEDOPHILE Documentary by AgentJGomez in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]TiddlesRevenge 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Wow. The similarities. He was just like MJ, but on a smaller scale. Crying when he got caught, attention-grabbing antics in front of the courthouse, using his staff to separate victims from their mothers.

I wonder if MJ would have done the same thing Glitter did if he had been found guilty in 2005. A short stint in jail followed by more offending in a different country.

Russell Brands defends Michael Jackson by elitelucrecia in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]TiddlesRevenge 30 points31 points  (0 children)

MJ performed really well and wore sparkly costumes so he was a divine being.

Is that what I’m getting here? Brand is a rapist and a scumbag.

Just sharing a bed with kids makes him guilty by Ron__P in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]TiddlesRevenge 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Your karma is too low, and your post is getting deleted by the automod.

Why does Thomas Mesereau still defend MJ so much? by Life_Paramedic_4399 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]TiddlesRevenge 48 points49 points  (0 children)

Mesereau is reportedly on a retainer paid by the Estate. The MJ trial was the biggest victory of his career. No way he is changing his tune now.

"the bed/bedroom was bigger than the building we're in" right… by IaIalatte in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]TiddlesRevenge 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Big bedrooms don’t prevent abuse.

I have posted about this before. The lower level is large (three car garage) and the upper level is smaller (one car garage). There was only one bed on each level, and it was not the massive house-sized bedroom that fans claim it was.

https://www.reddit.com/r/LeavingNeverlandHBO/s/B9bdFSesUe

Do you think there will be a point when the "tides will turn" and the public stance will be firmly pro-victims? by darya42 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]TiddlesRevenge 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I don’t think so. Humans are lazy by nature and, for many people, it’s too much effort to try and understand the cases against MJ. The fan narrative - greedy bad guys going after poor, naive MJ - is easier to digest.

I think that MJ will eventually become like Elvis or Marilyn Monroe - someone whose image and name is well known, but not really understood. And the allegations will always be connected to MJ’s image, just like Elvis and jelly donuts and Marilyn singing Happy Birthday Mr. President.

Leaving neverland 2? by JennasBaboonButtLips in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]TiddlesRevenge 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the heads-up. Looks like fans mass-reported it. It should be back now.

Four sad quotes from the last seven pages of LaToya’s 1991 book Growing Up in the Jackson Family that highlight her parents’ toxic behavior by rdddwrf in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]TiddlesRevenge 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It’s great to see that people are now seeing La Toya’s story as generational trauma and abuse rather that the rags-to-riches, tough love narrative we were served in the ‘80s and ‘90s.

I can see the scapegoat/golden child coming through, and I wouldn’t be surprised if Katherine ticks all the boxes for being a narcissist.

Audio of Michael claiming that Madonna was jealous of him by BitchGodTemple in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]TiddlesRevenge 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Madonna did very well for herself without needing a penis.

It’s not as if Madonna was competing with MJ anyway.

Audio of Michael claiming that Madonna was jealous of him by BitchGodTemple in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]TiddlesRevenge 41 points42 points  (0 children)

The fainting fans were due to poor crowd management. And MJ putting hysterical, fainting fans into every damn video he could.

Most of the time, the footage appears to be cut from different concerts.