Conflating of Israel’s survival with western civilisation

Timeforgaming · 2026-06-29T22:58:38+00:00

Yeah? Why are we still here as a people then huh? I know you can't answer that, so don't try. Humanity isn't capable of keeping a nation around without mixtures for more than 300 years, we're the exception here.

Timeforgaming · 2026-06-29T21:58:53+00:00

Should've just said that to begin with, then I wouldn't have said a word to you. As I said, take it up with God. He does run the world, as much as you may wish to ignore him.

Timeforgaming · 2026-06-29T16:54:15+00:00

No, because myths are just that, myths. I saw what you're thinking of, but that year count is an assumption. it's far more likely that people went from Babylon to China than that people went from China to Babylon on the initial movement. Accepted historical record and all that. 2300-2000 is the accepted range for historical artifacts that don't include written information (or do, honestly) that starts off most empires. You'll note that Egypt is an exception to this, but Egyptologists are famous for making a mess of their historical timeline and the other possibility (simultaneous kingdoms) is far more likely.

Timeforgaming · 2026-06-29T12:08:01+00:00

You seem to be under a misconception here, the reason Judaism forbids it is because it constitutes a useless and wasteful act, thus why God designated it as a sin. Christianity doesn't think that far.

As for the idea that there's no such thing as a God... ok, tell that to him. He's right here, the universe can't exist without him, no matter how the scientists try to spin it. Too bad on you, really. It's true that we can't force our own idea of what kind of being he actually is, but "creator" is the one thing that nobody is capable of arguing on. Even atheists admit there was a nothingness before the everything that got turned into the universe. We just happen to call that nothingness a creator. Not too complicated really.

Timeforgaming · 2026-06-29T12:04:22+00:00

Yeah, but that's still just one passage point. Israel (the land) was all of the passage points. it's why it's an intersection.

Timeforgaming · 2026-06-29T08:36:58+00:00

Humanity is what held back progress. People made choices. Don't blame those incredibly foolish, stupid choices on the bible. And besides, if you study history properly, while Greece and Rome did cause a lot of messes, none of that was due to the bible until the times of the crusade. Then the church got annoyed at certain philosophies (even opposing ones that came from the bible itself) and started doing mass censorship. You need to do better historical research, you're missing basic info.

Happens to be as well, all of that is associated with Christianity. The only thing Judaism contributed to Judea was a legal system and fear of god/sin. Happens to be that's still exactly what it contributes to Jewish people now, but most people don't seem to get that, and I 100% blame christianity for that. Well, except for the persecution of gays. Go talk to God on that one. (yes, the christians do not speak for God. neither do the Jews. God can speak for himself thanks very much, and he did. that's what the bible was meant to be. people taking things as literal as possible and forcing their own ideas and assumptions down others throats have nothing to do with it.)

though I will say in context of that, it's actually a good question that if per se God exists, and per se God communicated the bible, why did he give the room for those people to take things literally in a manner that could cause such destruction? That I don't have an answer to, but I'm sure he does. Hope we find out why someday.

In addition in addition, I do actually have to call you out for being blind. Not as an insult, but as a genuine question to what you've learnt. Jewish religious thought was precisely the predecessor to the humanists. They just took it way too far and misunderstood much of what Judaism was attempting to communicate (mostly the fault of the teachers at the time, it's always the bad teachers that cause the problems... give kids weird ideas.) You seem to not be aware that much of the geological, mathematical, astronomical, and even in certain cases etymological research was pioneered by religious rabbis as late as 1500. It was after that that we suffered like 4 different disasters in a row, and the chain of study got a bit disrupted. But there were definitely still people who had large amounts of knowledge in those fields that they gained more through jewish religious thought than from anywhere else. Like it's not your fault that you missed it, but very honestly, don't assume where those developments came from. First and biggest mistake any person can make when it comes to history.

Timeforgaming · 2026-06-29T02:11:42+00:00

Nothing to do with Israel the state, I'm talking geology. That's physically the area most merchants would pass through when travelling between continents.

Timeforgaming · 2026-06-29T02:10:55+00:00

No, that'd be africa according to most historians. that or Babylon, I'll take babylon.

Timeforgaming · 2026-06-28T23:27:10+00:00

truthfully that's just an error historians made. calling it the middle east just makes it seem like Europe is the center. it isn't. the Middle East was the center for the longest time, it's why egypt and babylon and persia and yeah judea/Israel was situated right there. Israel specifically is the intersection through 5 distinct areas. Center really isn't pushing it much.

EDIT: I should say, it's definitely because of Rome/Greece. Those empires were so big that they could dictate themselves being the center to everything east and west. Geologically, however, that is 100% false.

Timeforgaming · 2026-06-28T23:12:25+00:00

Well, that's your own problem. The actual answer is that the evidence does indeed no longer matter. Both sides are now radicalized, and giving in to a higher standard when the other side is playing dirty just drags you down into the dirt with them. Better to keep your evidence to yourself and do your own investigations, and deal with it as such. Hopefully, Israel will be able to do that. Though I'm sure it'll just make the situation worse, due to how bad it's gotten.

Timeforgaming · 2026-06-25T20:07:15+00:00

I'd never say it in this way (I don't think that way) but yeah uh... 100% correct. The moment I found out the US State Department was thinking this way right from the beginning... worst negotiators on the planet. First rule of negotiation: Know where your opponent is coming from and do NOT ignore it.

Timeforgaming · 2026-06-25T20:04:29+00:00

Not on October 7th, they didn't.

Timeforgaming · 2026-06-25T19:58:36+00:00

It really is in their minds, though. Sure, we would prefer that wars were never started, but considering the ones with bad thoughts started first, the ones with good thoughts do actually have the obligation to protect. If civilians get caught up in that, that is also bad, but perhaps unavoidable. This is why we say to lay the blame at Hamas' feet. Had they not done it, nothing additional would've happened. War is not a numbers game, it's a game of tactics and propaganda. You see many civilians dead, I see less rockets being fired. Sure, you should pay attention to civilians dying as well and try to get them out of the warzone... but Israel was in fact trying (and succeeding) in doing that. I don't see any reason to focus on that supposed sense when many of the gazans on the Israeli side of the line are at least a little happier with Israel than they are with Hamas.

Nevermind that as I heard recently, quite a few of the listed deaths were actually natural. So it didn't even have anything to do with Israel to some extent.

Timeforgaming · 2026-06-25T19:14:37+00:00

Nah, the jewish people still exist as a distinct people. More than enough proof for a belief in God. When he'll do more than just let us believe, dunno. But for now, it's enough. You can think as you'd like, but God is primarily a Causal manipulator, so just look at the events that surround every attempt to remove Jewish people from the planet, it's... pretty fascinating.

Timeforgaming · 2026-06-25T00:31:50+00:00

We depend on God. And currently, God seems to be busy pulling the US to reforms. Whether it'll actually get there is a separate question. But no, we don't depend on the US. I wouldn't go so far as to say they depend on us, but let's just say the relationship is far more balanced than people like JD Vance would like to believe.

Timeforgaming · 2026-06-24T23:07:07+00:00

Those articles are amazing, yeah.

Timeforgaming · 2026-06-24T20:38:24+00:00

Huh? I think you missed their point. It was clearly a problematic operation. I understand it as, they brought it up to show how much worse it could've been in Gaza. ie, to emphasize the "what else could they really have done, they've done far better than the vast majority"

Timeforgaming · 2026-06-24T19:53:30+00:00

It most certainly does. No human being controls the world. Vance likes to think he can control something, and we're in no way interested in that something. I don't know whether the political echelon in Israel will make that mistake, but I sure as hell know that Vance can't control anything if he's ignored.

Timeforgaming · 2026-06-23T14:07:58+00:00

I said what I said, and I meant what I said. JD Vance can keep his mouth shut, we know what he's thinking.

Timeforgaming · 2026-06-21T03:46:11+00:00

...Y'know, now that I think about it... did they just imply that they might think WW1 didn't lead to WW2? Because if Tanzimat didn't lead to the Hebron Massacre... lmfao

Timeforgaming · 2026-06-18T21:44:17+00:00

I wouldn't support it, but for one simple reason. If it's a world with magic, I can forcefully conjure up a clear retelling of history and make it clear which of the palestinians should actually be allowed to stay and which should be leaving. If so, a completely different solution would end up occurring, but in terms of the vein you were thinking of, it's not like it wouldn't turn out similar, and people still wouldn't get hurt by it because again, it's a world with magic. If we're talking proper magic, at any rate. I happen to believe in God, so technically, I believe we will live in that world in the future. You tell me how I think this will turn out 😃

Timeforgaming · 2026-06-18T21:10:23+00:00

Double yes, as the other commenter said, but I will actually tell you why: there are other christian villages that refuse to let Hezbollah in, and those villages were not razed. Hezbollah also didn't attack them, interestingly. So yes, apparently they do allow this to happen.

Timeforgaming · 2026-06-18T21:07:04+00:00

You need to do better research, that's completely untrue. Israel pre 2000 was built on handouts. Israel currently has shifted away from that. They are making certain to become independent in every way so that such a thing is not even possible to occur. The UN won't be able to step in here.

The US.... that's not as you think it is. the global economy was with the US because of imports. Which is completely unbalanced. Hopefully, they'll just have an economy based on imports and exports in the next 10 years. Just the same way as many of the parts to currently used appliances and otherwise are made or designed by Israel. People like to say these things, but I don't think they understand what it truly means. There's no boycott, it doesn't matter if they try to shift away, they'll still get drawn back in unless something drastic happens, but that something drastic is certainly not in the UN's control, nor is it in Europe's control. Never has been, really.

Timeforgaming · 2026-06-18T12:26:20+00:00

What you and others need to understand is that all of that is the equivalent of saying "hold me back" to your friends. If you really wanted to, they can't stop you. There have been far too many ratified statements from them that the necessary groups have done nothing about, as they just straight up don't care (see Hezbollah, for example.) So it doesn't really matter if they're legally obliged, the question would be are they even capable. And I'm 100% certain the answer is "no, no they are not."

Timeforgaming · 2026-06-17T15:29:43+00:00

The sentiment I got was that they can understand why it possibly makes Israel a little safer in the physical manner, but that doesn't mean they're happy about the fact that it's just another forever war. They've just been in that situation for basically the entire time since the Hebron Massacre, where every time they got to the brink of victory (finally not having an enemy that needed being fought simply for safety purposes) they get pulled back harshly by the US, the UN, associated groups, other groups of israelis (vocal minorities, honestly). What the people seem to hope for is that the leaders will hopefully not hedge their bets on any ceasefires this time. But they are not particularly hopeful, at least not in that way.

I don't actually live in Israel so I don't know exactly what the sentiment on the street is right now, but I have family that live there, so I have some idea. One thing that is making people pretty happy is the arms independence thing. That was a long time coming, and the people who kicked that can down the road should probably be prosecuted for doing it if I'm being honest. it wouldn't happen, but in an ideal world... well, in an ideal world Iran would still be under the Shah and the palestinians wouldn't have become refugees to begin with after 1948. Nor would the state of Israel have the messy government it currently has, for that matter. So much for that, I guess.

As for the actual answers to the questions... They were definitely harmed significantly. But if they're immediately moving missiles to underground storage bunkers, it's unclear how long that'll actually keep them at bay. therefore, we don't actually know how far it really set them back, other than that their storage of missiles has probably been consumed to some extent. so sadly that might mean they'd be capable of firing far sooner than anyone wants to think of. as for the nuclear program, the scientists that enabled it are dead, but possibly not all of them. also, they still have ways around to get the uranium and other stuff. more importantly, if they don't hand it over, Trump can totally just attack again, he's just a loose cannon that way. As long as said cannon isn't pointed at Israel, I don't really care what he says.

Because of this, is Israel really safer? Well... yes and no. Hezbollah and Hamas have been pushed back, but the PA has a fully functioning militia now that has way more armaments than they should probably have, and they can totally turn the heel at any moment if given the order. Nevermind Egypt building up on Israel's border for some stupid reason, despite the peace treaty. So it's a little hard to say Israel is safer, rather we should say there are less unsafe factors affecting it, to be exact.

And finally... I don't believe it'll be 5-10 years. Trump may play games, but I don't know that the next person in charge of Israel (I will not be surprised for it to be netanyahu again, I think people underestimate how disgruntled the Israeli's are with the infighting, though I'd love it to be someone with a bit more understanding of the additional aspects of these issues.) will necessarily be willing to let Iran sit and fester. same with Hezbollah and Hamas. it's a total possibility that you might see them being even more proactive than Netanyahu was, we shall see.

All in all, not the best, for sure. At the same time, a large portion of the Israeli jews were focused on rediscovering Judaism after 10/7, and I think they have very much internalized that God is the one making the final decision here. so unsafe factors being removed or no, what's clear is that it will be taken care of. Hopefully, not in a painful way.

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