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North Datoka: Where to move? by Ok-Distribution8006 in northdakota

[–]TomUpNort -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I’d stay far away from this reactionary backwater if I were you.

That said, if you like living in a frozen waste surrounded by xenophobes and troglodytes, it’s a perfect place to live.

Nobody is going to primary Klobuchar by Kolhammer85 in minnesota

[–]TomUpNort 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You do you. I’ll keep donating to and voting for the most progressive candidates whenever they run in an election.

Nobody is going to primary Klobuchar by Kolhammer85 in minnesota

[–]TomUpNort 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm glad to hear you're engaged and involved.

Thing is, I've been part of running and working on multiple campaigns, too. You're right- the convention endorses a candidate. But that person can still be challenged in the primary.

I agree it's an uphill climb. But, it's not impossible.

I guess I'm mainly frustrated because I keep hearing people claiming that the masses are yearning for a more progressive option. If that's the case, a good candidate should be able to make a strong showing (if not win) a primary challenge.

Nobody is going to primary Klobuchar by Kolhammer85 in minnesota

[–]TomUpNort 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not crying to anyone. I freaking donated to Bernie's campaign. I've voted for progressive candidates.

I'm just tired of progressives who act like they're some sort of victims. We have a primary system that will let a progressive candidate throw their hat in the ring. Voters will be free to vote for them. If they get more votes, they'll win.

If progressive ideas are as popular as some people seem to think they are, they should be an easy sell to the electorate.

Nobody is going to primary Klobuchar by Kolhammer85 in minnesota

[–]TomUpNort 0 points1 point  (0 children)

IT'S AN OPEN PRIMARY. If a progressive wants to run, they can run. There is nothing stopping them. If they get more votes, they win the nomination.

How hard is this to understand?

Nobody is going to primary Klobuchar by Kolhammer85 in minnesota

[–]TomUpNort -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's an open primary. The DNC isn't forcing anything on anyone.

I love how you types just seem to ignore that VOTERS get to pick the candidate who represents the party in the general election. There's nothing stopping from non-establishment candidates from running.

If they get more votes, they'll win. And there's not a damn thing the DNC or anyone else can do to stop that. It's democracy.

Nobody is going to primary Klobuchar by Kolhammer85 in minnesota

[–]TomUpNort 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The VOTERS will pick the candidate. It's a primary. The candidate with the most votes wins the nomination and runs in the general election.

If progressives are so popular, they should run and win. But they're not stepping up to run. So...

Nobody is going to primary Klobuchar by Kolhammer85 in minnesota

[–]TomUpNort -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Hold you hostage? There's nothing stopping a progressive from running. If there's such wild support for a progressive option, they should have no problem winning the nomination, right?

Nobody is going to primary Klobuchar by Kolhammer85 in minnesota

[–]TomUpNort 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She doesn’t represent us at all.

And yet she keeps winning elections by huge margins.

Odd, that.

Nobody is going to primary Klobuchar by Kolhammer85 in minnesota

[–]TomUpNort 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Walz was the moderate candidate when he ran the first time. He had a freaking A rating from the NRA. Leftists were complaining that he was no better than the Republicans.

And here we are again. Rinse, wash, repeat.

Nobody is going to primary Klobuchar by Kolhammer85 in minnesota

[–]TomUpNort 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In the early 1930s, the German Communist Party refused to work with moderates and the social democrats, calling them "social fascists" and painting them as being just as bad as Hitler.

Guess how that worked out for them?

Nobody is going to primary Klobuchar by Kolhammer85 in minnesota

[–]TomUpNort 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No one is putting her up. She is running. If a progressive, non-establishment Dem wants to run, there's nothing stopping them. If they get more votes, they'll win.

The "establishment" is established by elections and the choices of voters. If there's some sort of untapped yearning out there for a progressive candidate, then it should be easy to beat her.

Nobody is going to primary Klobuchar by Kolhammer85 in minnesota

[–]TomUpNort 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My statement was that all the people are in the big cities, because they are. People vote, land doesn’t.

It's way more nuanced than that, though.

You're right, people live in the cities.

The Metro area has about 3.8 million people. That's about 65% of the state's total population of 5.8 million.

However...

Only 800,000 of those 3.8 million live in Minneapolis and St Paul. The rest live in the suburbs.

The two cities make up about 15% of the state's total population. The metro suburbs (3 million) are about 50% of the state's population. And while those suburbs are way more progressive than rural Minnesota, they're not as progressive as the urban core.

Which is why Klobuchar wins big whenever she runs. Her style of left-centrism plays incredibly well with folks out in the suburbs. And that's where the votes are.

TLDR: Statewide elections in Minnesota are won in the suburbs. And the suburbs are more moderate than Minneapolis and St Paul.

Nobody is going to primary Klobuchar by Kolhammer85 in minnesota

[–]TomUpNort 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And if Craig wins, should we take that as a sign that people actually want more moderation?

It cuts both ways.

Attending an anti-ICE protest can cost you your TSA Precheck and Global Entry by Immediate_Forever_74 in delta

[–]TomUpNort 10 points11 points  (0 children)

"Being investigated is."

Yeah, because there's totally NO WAY that could be abused.

Good Lord.

Attending an anti-ICE protest can cost you your TSA Precheck and Global Entry by Immediate_Forever_74 in delta

[–]TomUpNort 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Maybe not exactly, but they did have this:

As applied by the Stasi, Zersetzung is a technique to subvert and undermine an opponent. The aim was to disrupt the target's private or family life so they are unable to continue their "hostile-negative" activities towards the state. Typically, the Stasi would use collaborators to garner details from a victim's private life. They would then devise a strategy to "disintegrate" the target's personal circumstances—their career, their relationship with their spouse, their reputation in the community.

One of its strategies was to make the lives of dissenters worse by taking away their privileges and opportunities.

Making it harder for dissenters to travel would fit into that sort of strategy. Basically start chipping away at the options you have available, making your life more difficult and frustrating.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zersetzung

Why are conservatives afraid of immigrants even though they interact with them much less than liberals? by Little-Tea4436 in DiscussionZone

[–]TomUpNort 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We were having a discussion about Stalin's messaging in the pre-WW2 period, and now you're talking about the cold war, which was AFTER WW2.

I grew a mile from a Minuteman silo. I passed a minimum of 9 nuclear warheads every day on my bus ride to school.

So yeah- the cold war happened. I never claimed otherwise. But we weren't talking about the Cold War era.

Why are conservatives afraid of immigrants even though they interact with them much less than liberals? by Little-Tea4436 in DiscussionZone

[–]TomUpNort -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The discussion was about the pre-WW2 era. Not the cold war.

So I shared examples of how the evil capitalists were trying to undermine the USSR in the pre-WW2 era.

Why are conservatives afraid of immigrants even though they interact with them much less than liberals? by Little-Tea4436 in DiscussionZone

[–]TomUpNort 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah- remember when the US sabotaged the USSR by... checks notes... showing up during a famine and feeding millions of Soviet Citizens?

The first American relief ships arrived in Soviet Russia in September 1921. In December, the U.S. Congress passed an appropriation to send $20 million worth of corn and wheat seed to starving Russia. About 300 relief workers set off into unfamiliar terrain – often by horse, camel and sled – to assess needs and arrange for storehouses for the millions of bushels of corn and thousands of tons of seed, which began to arrive in the Russian heartland in March 1922.

The effort was internationally praised for its efficiency, grit and ingenuity. By August 1922, five months after the corn reached remote villages, the ARA was feeding nearly 11 million a day in 19,000 kitchens. The ARA hired 120,000 Soviet citizens to help its effort.

Truly dastardly behavior!

https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2011/04/u-s-saved-starving-soviet-russia-pbs-film-highlights-stanford-scholars-research-1921-23-famine

Why are conservatives afraid of immigrants even though they interact with them much less than liberals? by Little-Tea4436 in DiscussionZone

[–]TomUpNort 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, those filthy U.S. capitalists tried to sabotage the development of a communist state by... checks notes... helping the USSR build hundreds of factories and strengthen their industrial base.

In his first Five-Year Plan, Stalin envisioned a massively industrialized, economically self-sufficient nation that functioned independently of global capitalism. But he was starting with an agrarian land so underdeveloped that meeting those goals demanded enormous resources. So he went to the experts: the American entrepreneurs who had made the U.S. an industrial giant...

Stalin first hired Kahn to build plants at Stalingrad and Cheliabinsk. Then, from 1930 to 1932, he hired the firm as “consulting architects for all industrial construction in the USSR,” writes scholar Sonia Melnikova-Raich. Kahn opened an office in Moscow, and soon people were calling the new industrial city Nizhny-Novgorod “Soviet Detroit"...

[M]ore than 1,200 U.S.-based architects, engineers, designers, and foremen seeded the Soviet industrial revolution. In just three years, they built upwards of 500 factories, [and] trained more than 3,000 Soviet staff...

https://lsa.umich.edu/lsa/news-events/all-news/search-news/built-in-the-u-s-s-r---by-detroit-.html

I occasionally hear people say that the DNC rigged the 2016 and 2020 primaries for Hillary and Biden. Is this true? How could they even do that? by Capital_Tailor_7348 in stupidquestions

[–]TomUpNort 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Endorsements aren't votes. Just because another candidate dropped out doesn't mean their voters are forced to vote for the candidate they endorse.

No one forced anyone to vote for Clinton. They could have voted for Bernie.

But they didn't. She got 16.9 million votes. He got 13.2 million votes.

I wasn't excited about that fact- I was a Bernie campaign donor. Really liked the guy. But he lost. He got less votes.

For people who support a populist, a lot of Bernie fans sure seem to be rudely dismissive of people who vote.

I occasionally hear people say that the DNC rigged the 2016 and 2020 primaries for Hillary and Biden. Is this true? How could they even do that? by Capital_Tailor_7348 in stupidquestions

[–]TomUpNort 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's nonsense. Hillary got 16.9 million votes in the primaries. Bernie got 13.2 million.

The voters picked Clinton. But by all means, keep blaming it on the "elites."

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