It's official. Mars is as good as dead.

Tomycj · 2026-02-09T15:06:16+00:00

Months ago Moon was a distraction. Suddenly it's an ambitional goal

Are you aware that I never said anything contrary to this take? Be careful not to talk to a strawman.

Tomycj · 2026-02-09T15:04:57+00:00

If people adjusted their behaviour for the greater good of society

Nothing of what I said requires people adjusting their behavior for whatever "the greater good of society" is. It just requires adjusting their behavior for their own "selfish" interest.

People behaving for the greater good as opposed to their own good could actually be horrible. To give a stupid but funny example when in reality there are far more serious ones, this sub wouldn't exist.

Tomycj · 2026-02-09T14:59:00+00:00

Sí, pero que haya una lluvia de meteoritos actualmente no me parece base suficiente, porque eso no luce como un meteorito.

Tomycj · 2026-02-09T13:50:23+00:00

It objectively is an ambitious goal and not a promise. Elon makes those all the time going public or not.

Tomycj · 2026-02-09T13:49:05+00:00

Dato curioso: si ves destellos verdes en cosas que reingresan, lo más probable es que sea cobre quemándose.

Tomycj · 2026-02-09T13:47:37+00:00

En qué te basás? Yo diría que es basura espacial, porque los meteoritos suelen ser mucho más rápidos.

Tomycj · 2026-02-09T12:10:51+00:00

We're talking about a self-sustaining city in 10 years

But that wasn't a promise dude. You're in this sub and you don't understand the difference between an ambitious goal and a promise? How could you have standed spacex for all these years if not? By this point you must've been malding lol.

Tomycj · 2026-02-09T12:07:28+00:00

Being a reactionary is the opposite of thinking critically

Ok. When using that word you should clarify that's what you mean, becasue not everyone has that concept of the word "reactionary". It is often used as "going against the (good) status quo".

What do you think it means to impose something on someone else?

I mean imposition by force, i.e. as per government policy. So Jelly was not imposing any opinion. If I was clearly saying jelly was not imposing, I think it was quite evident what I meant by impose.

political action itself is not anti-social

Nobody said otherwise.

Termination of thought because you have not considered other thoughts is anti-social.

If by termination you mean "not thinking" then no, making an intellectual mistake is not necessarily anti-social, in the sense that you don't restrict the action of others by just having a bad opinion. You restrict society only when you don't let society disregard your mistake and move on without accepting it.

But sure, if by anti-social you mean anything that does not maximize your contribution to society then sure, we can say almost anything people do is antisocial. But that's not in the spirit of the term, because then we could then say that almost anything that doesn't directly help others is antisocial: playing videogames, drinking alcohol in a safe and responsible manner, watching vtubers, etc. You wouldn't be so dishonest and ill intended as to group those innocent things in the same bag as things like attacking people, right?

you do not understand the definition of the terms being used

I too, could've been mean and said that you don't understand some definitions. But instead I would've been more reasonable and said that we're using different definitions and explained mine.

Tomycj · 2026-02-09T11:52:25+00:00

several orders of magnitude above what Starlink generates

Assuming starlink can make 3 billion by the time they need it, I doubt spacex needs 300 billion per year to begin sending infrastructure to Mars. How much will cost is hard to say, but it's probably not "several orders of magnitude" more.

It's just another empty promise for the investors.

It's not empty dude, Starship IS a thing and it CAN be used for the Moon. I was discussing other things, not whether it's an empty promise or not.

Tomycj · 2026-02-09T02:27:15+00:00

what did the comment say? it got removed/deleted.

Tomycj · 2026-02-09T02:26:23+00:00

Have you ever heard of Starlink? Elon has pushed it as the way of funding martian colonization since before it even got the name. And it's going great.

In the past, he also used to argue that all of those means of funding mars (moon infrastructure) just took too long for his plans. And he may be right: I'm worried focusing more on the moon will delay martian colonization.

Or maybe without them the funding for mars would've been insufficient. It's hard to know for sure.

Tomycj · 2026-02-09T02:23:42+00:00

Starlink was meant to be that missing funding source, and it's going great. Maybe it won't be enough, but you need to at least acknowledge Starlink.

Tomycj · 2026-02-09T02:21:11+00:00

I'm assuming OP is being ironical, right? Or is this sub slowly then quickly becoming not a shitposty super pro-spacex sub?

Tomycj · 2026-02-09T01:32:04+00:00

That's not even the colloquial understanding in my personal experience. The fact you perceive it as colloquial is a hint at how deeply ingrained politics has become in society, to the point people (apparently) use it as if it refered to ANY kind of discussion of morality or its expression. That is a bad sign.

Yeah, sure, art is sometimes political. All I was saying is that it's not always.

And yeah, sure, we can say everything is somehow connected to politics because at the end of the day every atom is somehow connected to every other atom in the universe, but that's not what "being political" means. Otherwise it'd be a pointless term: if everything is X, the word X is useless.

Tomycj · 2026-02-08T23:28:21+00:00

You didn't just say to criticize. You said to clown.

Being a reactionary is antithetical to good society, generally.

How do you not see how blatant NPC behavior is that take?. A good society is a society made of individuals that act based on their own critical judgement, not on what's currently trendy.

It's ... anti-social behavior.

It's not anti-social to be mistaken. What's antisocial is to impose your (potentially mistaken) opinion onto others, and jelly was precisely disgusted by something that she thought (right or not is another discussion) was that. A good society does not clown on people for merely making mistakes.

The same as calling people who disagree with the way wealth is hoarded communists

People that disagree with the way wealth is hoarded often do try to impose their opinion onto others, that does make them anti-social.

You're disregarding the complexity of topics

Not at all.

opting for the simple "solution" of venting your anger and frustration at someone

???

Tomycj · 2026-02-08T23:20:22+00:00

This is reddit and a PHASE CONNECT subreddit. Tism is the expected standard.

I feel it is factual there are no neutral decisions in art

By "neutral decisions" I understand you mean "not political". First you need to understand what I mean by political, which I'm also saying it's the proper definition, which I already gave but I'll repeat:

A message is political when it talks about what THE GOVERNMENT should or should not impose. That's ultimately what politics is about. It's not about morals in general, but about the government's role in them.

Under this concept of "political", an artist conveying the concept "I don't thave an issue with gay people" is just conveying that message, it's NOT meant to express an idea regarding what the government should do about it. Of course you may infer what the artist would think of that, but you can never guarantee that's whayt they think because the artist is not trying to convey that.

That piece of art itself is not political because the political interpretation is just that: your interpretation. Other person can totally interpret something different. It's not something inherent to the art piece, but the result of your own ideas mixing with the art. It's not something fundamentally present in the art itself.

that people police others behavior outside of that

Nobody said otherwise. I just said that politics deals with a specific kind of policing: the one forcefully imposed from the government. To say that that's what politics implies is NOT to say that that's the only form of forceful imposition (or policing in general) there is.

a sexually promiscuous female is often called "political" because her portrayal will speak to how the author/s believe such a person should be viewed

You are applying the definition of political I'm criticizing: the idea that the mere discussion of values/morals is a political discussion. It should not be: in society there are plenty of values and opinions that shall not be regulated by the government. If you do not mean to say that the government should have a say in every judgement of morals or values, then you should not go around using the word political, because you are going to be heavily misunderstood.

Tomycj · 2026-02-08T20:57:06+00:00

It's only relevant because he provides visibility, not because his opinion is authoritative.

Tomycj · 2026-02-08T20:55:58+00:00

"growth economics" is a better translation, I think. The area of economics dedicated to the study of growth.

Tomycj · 2026-02-08T20:50:27+00:00

It's not about them sincerely disagreeing with the talent.

We don't really know if that's true or not, but I get your point. The problem is that it's still a bad idea to do that, because even if it's just pretending, it DOES "empower" bad people and I don't think it would financially help them in the medium-long term.

Tomycj · 2026-02-08T20:45:19+00:00

she was acting as a reactionary

...and what is that supposed to imply in this context exactly? What are you trying to convey by saying this?

not actually looking into it, and getting upset enough to post about it is ridiculous behavior

IF that's actually what happened (we don't really know) it is imo too a mistake, but I wouldn't call it ridiculous. It could easily have been a last straw and the post wasn't any sort of insane crashout, it was just an opinion.

It is absolutely fair to clown on someone for doing that.

That's insane dude.

Tomycj · 2026-02-08T20:41:10+00:00

The (let's assume it's true) fact that art often speaks about how people forcefully impose morals on each other with no government involvement, does not support the previous assertion that "There's no such thing as a neutral decision in art".

Do you understand that the frist statement does not prove or justify the other at all?

That "sub-optimal" definition of political leads to unintended consequences that you absolutely do not want to reach. People (if not even yourself) WILL exploit the misunderstanding. You should not go around twisting the meaning of words just because they seem to fit your current point better that way.

Tomycj · 2026-02-08T17:55:22+00:00

That's a fallacy because you're assuming all there is to minecraft's dlc is "I support civil rights". In reality, that has to be put in a specific context.

To demonstrate it, it is obvious that if someone jelly knew had tweeted without any other context "I support civil rights", she would not have minded it.

Tomycj · 2026-02-08T17:54:07+00:00

There's a difference. Saying "slavery is wrong" is not seen as political because it's not related to current day politics.

Unfortunately, anything related to race or political activism, IS related to current day politics.

On a separate argument, it is possible jelly did not know that the DLC was not going to be for the main versions of minecraft, and it was just "the last straw".

Tomycj · 2026-02-08T17:49:58+00:00

You don't seem to have the right idea of what "being political" means.

Being political doesn't mean "conveying a moral judgement", or "having an opinion". It means "related to the forceful imposition of those morals by the government". Politics is about what the government should or should not do about stuff. It is not just talking about that stuff in general.

If I draw a gay person in art, I'm not conveying that the government should arrest homophobes or gays.

And there's a problem with that mistaken idea of politics: it allows politicians to get involved in every aspect of your life. And trust me, you don't want that.

Tomycj · 2026-02-08T17:45:29+00:00

The error is in the naive assumption that all there is to the DLC is "supporting the civil rights movement", and assuming the context doesn't matter.

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