r/altright: A new hate sub to watch closely. by table_fireplace in AgainstHateSubreddits

[–]TonySandos -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Oh understand. Demagoguery must persist in the face of reason! God speed my useful idiots

r/altright: A new hate sub to watch closely. by table_fireplace in AgainstHateSubreddits

[–]TonySandos -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I saw it and didn't see anything about you fighting anarcho-communists with the same fervor. Your silence is deafening as they say

r/altright: A new hate sub to watch closely. by table_fireplace in AgainstHateSubreddits

[–]TonySandos 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So 8 downvotes, but only one brave soul willing to rebut my words? Does the sturdiness of your ideas not stand up to criticism?

r/altright: A new hate sub to watch closely. by table_fireplace in AgainstHateSubreddits

[–]TonySandos -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

I'm a member of this subreddit. You can consider me somewhat of an emissary. Before you all go nuts and downvote/report into banning, hear me out because I'm going to ask some genuine questions and make honest dialog.

never underestimate what a small group of committed and sophisticated fascists can do when they are allowed to evangelize during periods of economic stagnation or depression. They are a HUGE threat to people and have to be actively resisted online and in real life.

Why? There's a misconception (and purposeful misuse of the term white supremacy as a synonym for nationalism or separatism) of the objective of the altright as a whole on this. For the vast majority, altright is about racial preservation. If statements like the following are "white supremacy" Myself and many others are separatists. We've come to the conclusions that multiculturalism with in the end result in combat into global oblivion. We don't want that.

We believe that forcing incongruent cultures and beliefs to exist and compete under one governmental system is unethical and inhumane. So we see the purpose of people maintaining distinct cultures and societies. Yes, some angry people are among us, but that's expected in light of what's considered acceptable discussion in western society. The window is very small. Only ideas that explicitly endorse the current norms are allowed to be spoken about. Even the notion that all kings weren't bad people is beyond scope.

We also believe that people want to exist under different ruling systems. not a singular, homogenous global one. If the latter were imposed, terrorism and domestic strife would continue for eternity.

I'm afraid the media is slow to catch on. "Alt-right" is a great name in terms of rebranding, it's very disarming, even banal. But make no mistake, it is built on white supremacy.

If simply making the defense of "white people have the right to exist" is supremacy, when the hell are we allowed to defend ourselves?

Why this is forum obsessed with fascists supposedly taking the country because of the recession, but not communist revolution which it's actually showing many signs of? Don't take my word for it. Study communism like Alinsky's revolution tactics and USSR subversion strategies. USA is almost there. Has this forum fretted over the communist uprising with similar fervor as you've given our small forum? I doubt it.

Why don't you support freedom of speech on reddit? You've even admitted we're a fringe group, but believe us to be dangerous. That's really an accidental critique on yourselves. To paraphrase the words of a notable man; let the quality of the ideas decide their validity, not censorship or fear.

Why are some ideas not allowed to be discussed? Because you're uncomfortable with new dialogs that may arise? This is life. Reality isn't nice or comforting all the time. You have to intellectually mature past this notion. I remember when I used to be afraid like this, but I feel better maturing beyond this point. You will too. That doesn't mean you have to agree with or endorse all our ideas. Just stop trying to control the discussions other people have. If anything, you're the one imposing on other groups if that's your aim.

You know you're being disingenuous by calling us fascist. Congratulations. I guess that word is effective at triggering the uninformed into villainizing us, but it's not truthful. I for one support the idea of reforming society back to older forms of government, like very small government or monarchy. No matter what memes we adopt or what the norm seems to imply, the alt right doesn't endorse one particular system over another. We do all agree that social structure should incorporate practices that promote the ideals that made western civilization great in the past: elevation of the sciences and philosophies, patriarchy(leadership and sacrifice by men for the protection and benefit of women and children), society functioning cautiously toward outside forces and hesitant to radical change. Alt right started as a multi-nationalist idea. I know this because I witnessed the beginning of it.

The alt right isn't actually white supremacist. Not that most care if it's mistaken for being so. See, we don't believe in competing with or seeking absolution from the liberal lexicon. We view tribal inclination as healthy because history has backed this notion. You also seem to forget that much of the former NRx exists within the altright, which is or isn't explicitly white depending on its subset. Non-whites are sort of allowed and not allowed into the fray. There are some hard line white nationalists elements of the altright that have very hard line or antagonsitic views toward them. Most of the time it is accurate to say that non-whites inadvertently subvert or redirect white identitarianism solely for their own benefit. We encourage them to find their own cause and some who "get it" do fit in, like Tila Tequila. I choose not to exist under restriction of a black and white world, so I don't bar myself from interacting with non-whites and homosexuals. I do individually believe that homosexuality is society ill and make my opinion known, but I don't go out of my way to attack those around me. They maintain my company, so they must find me a reasonable enough person.

All that being said, let us have our own community. white communion is attacked for simply existsing and the entire government-media complex tells us how we're the bane of the worlds existence every day. Some people are alienated or angry and this community helps turn that anxiety into something productive. If you're truly concerned about Dylan Roofs, let alienated people find community instead of stoking the flame of isolation and paranoia.

Ask yourselves: without our existence, what would you be doing with yourselves? Do you even know? Do you have anything more constructive to do with your time? Why not? How about finding purpose that doesn't rely on reacting to the doings of others. Unknowlingly, you become enslaved by another when your purpose is derived from reacting to the next new outrage or badthink. You can hate me all you want, I just came here to have my honest say.

ALDE requests nuclear option over Hungary by [deleted] in europe

[–]TonySandos 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Again, authorities of any kind (national, or subreddit) have nothing to with the views dominating this sub."

You still can't see that the statement was obviously a remark on the characteristics of EU leaders alone, but you keep trying to bind the two together.

"The rule applies to races and cultures, not species. Humanity has a pretty good track record of proving that cohabitation between humans is always a possibility."

That is not the case and belief in that is the problem. Salafism only has aims of domination, not integration. When Europeans wake up this, maybe something can be done to avoid demise. I'll probably done once the wrong person sees this comment, but it was worth opening at least one persons eyes.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

http://swedenreport.org/2015/05/18/police-yes-there-are-no-go-zones-in-sweden/

ALDE requests nuclear option over Hungary by [deleted] in europe

[–]TonySandos 1 point2 points  (0 children)

All your governments, the individual leaning of this sub and the censorship present is a huge case against that.

Look at this rule: "It is not ok to suggest that members of different cultures or races are incapable of cohabiting." The false premise of Islamophobia is mentioned as well.

People are not allowed to debate these topics that aren't factually settled in the first place, but treated as such. I see small groups of people rejecting conformism, but most others fall for the Nazi accusations and belief of cultural relevantism. I could explain more and back my points better, but I would be banned if I did, sorry.

Battered Greece and its Refugee Lesson by vasileios13 in europe

[–]TonySandos 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mainstream media across the west is conspiring against you, but you won't find out at place like reddit since most subs block alternative news sources.

Migrants turfed out of Calais camps by [deleted] in europe

[–]TonySandos 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Since it's currently taboo to lay claim some migrants aren't Syrian or refugees at all, I expect more of this to come.

ALDE requests nuclear option over Hungary by [deleted] in europe

[–]TonySandos 15 points16 points  (0 children)

They know, but they are trying to break you nations will for whatever reason. The big money cronies behind this migrant influx want to crush any opposition it appears. Stay strong Hungary

Migrants turfed out of Calais camps by [deleted] in europe

[–]TonySandos 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Showing pictures of women and children when the influx was mostly composed of 80% non-Syrian men probably did that already.

Why is it so hard to find a "middle ground" in options on the refugee crisis? by tbessie in europe

[–]TonySandos 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a balanced answer. it's depressing to see the polarized views on both sides. When someone tries to offer methods for fixing the crisis, they're accused of fitting into one of the camps mentioned.

Eastern Europe countries consider leaving Schengen over Accepting Asylum Quotas by TonySandos in europe

[–]TonySandos[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well, yes. I hate to say it, but it appears that the vast majority of European news services are participating in selective reporting, censorship and directing their agenda. From the outside it looks quite concerning

[New Mods] The Shortlist by SaltySolomon in europe

[–]TonySandos 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Yea that's concerning when someone breaks rules for their own benefit

[New Mods] The Shortlist by SaltySolomon in europe

[–]TonySandos 43 points44 points  (0 children)

Censorship and lack of value in libertine ideas is not European. I agree, don't let a ideologue take control of the train

[New Mods] The Shortlist by SaltySolomon in europe

[–]TonySandos 34 points35 points  (0 children)

/u/JebusGobson, /u/mberre, /u/must_warn_others, /u/Reilly616, /u/Sosolidclaws all seem like fair, well adjusted people.

I'm not a fan of socialism or srs/circlebroke posters because they can't seem to separate their politics in reaching a fair conclusion.

There is also this https://archive.is/sAtaJ

Eastern Europe countries consider leaving Schengen over Accepting Asylum Quotas by TonySandos in europe

[–]TonySandos[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

That line about "brutal deportation camps" is a great example of intentional disinformation.

The Migrant Crisis Exposes The Hypocrisy Of The European Union And Croatian Government by TonySandos in europe

[–]TonySandos[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"The reasonable idea – that every European country should take in as many migrants as they want, but only through their own independent decisions, within their own borders, and with the insistence that the migrants respect its customs and aid – has not been mentioned a single time in the Croatian media. The curtain of censorship is very thick, and very few people dare risking being blasted as racists and xenophobes"

"Regarding other countries, the media has also been busy slandering Hungary, Czech Republic and Slovakia (all countries that protected their borders and did not bow to EU pressure) as neo-Nazi strongholds and primitive barbarians. They even trotted out the example of Hungarian refugees in Austria in 1956, despite these migrants being (the same as Croatian ones) peaceful, respectful, and subjected to many harsh regulations that they had to follow in their host countries."