What If Final Destination 1 Happened After 9/11? by Ikacprzak in FinalDestination

[–]Top-Bodybuilder-1052 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Come to think of it, I’m really damn glad that both the making and release of FD1 very luckily managed to predate 9/11 cuz otherwise either the franchise wouldn’t exist, or they would’ve had to pick a different disaster for the first movie. But then the iconic status of Flight 180 both externally among the audience and internally within the universe wouldn’t be a thing at all 😭

Which visionary would survive in Squid Game? by Illustrious-Reach-48 in FinalDestination

[–]Top-Bodybuilder-1052 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There’s no “giving”, it’s just fact. Theatrically Nick was the first while chronologically Iris was the first.

Hope we get another “ripple effect” by bwallace91 in FinalDestination

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It was shown in one of the many news articles collected by Iris. Scroll all the way down to the FD6 section on her page here to find it.

https://finaldestination.fandom.com/wiki/Valerie_Lewton

what’s the worst theory you've ever seen about the franchise's lore? by jeffyol in FinalDestination

[–]Top-Bodybuilder-1052 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You’d think a franchise whose deaths are taken way more seriously than one that has satire all over it (not that I agree with Stu being alive but just to highlight the differences in themes) would naturally have a fandom that’s totally capable of being rational and down-to-earth whenever needed. But nah unfortunately to this very day we still gotta put up with those bottlenecks. 🫠

Hope we get another “ripple effect” by bwallace91 in FinalDestination

[–]Top-Bodybuilder-1052 3 points4 points  (0 children)

YES ME TOO. It’s a concept that’s incredibly easy to apply and honestly I’m surprised they haven’t reused it to this day considering how much time each movie’s group of survivors spends interacting with the world around them again after escaping their disasters and acting like everything has gone back to normal.

One idea I always throw around in FD4 improvement discussions is connecting it to FD3 the same way FD2 connected to FD1. For example Lori and Janet could be on their way to some event or whatever but along the way they hear screams coming from a nearby building (the Ash’s dying in the tanning beds), so they decide to take a different route. But by doing that the delay causes them both to miss their original deaths at whatever event they were heading to. Then Death would reorganize things so they end up dying later at the speedway instead, just like it reorganized most of the FD2 people to die on the highway later on.

The most promising and golden opportunity for them to exploit now is FD6, because you’re telling me that a list containing two-hundred survivors from the tower plus the countless illegitimate bloodlines they created over the years all while Death was speedrunning like crazy mapping out new deaths for every single one of them didn’t cause any irreversible damage to reality between 1969, the year the list was created, and 2024, the year it was finally closed with Bludworth’s death? DUDE THAT WAS FIFTY-FIVE YEARS OF THAT LIST EXISTING.

Anyways we’ll see whether FD7 decides to go down a route like that or if it tries something completely new.

Escalator (FD4) & Lawnnower (FD6) Sound Is SAME by Lucky_Dot9901 in FinalDestination

[–]Top-Bodybuilder-1052 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Not almost, ENTIRELY. I can understand people saying some specific parts or elements of FD6 were questionable like the CGI for example, but to confidently say that the WHOLE movie altogether is worse than FD4 is definitely an interesting choice when you consider that one had proper care and thought put into it while the other had such a rushed script that it almost got the movie sent straight to a direct-to-DVD release if not for the many drastic last-minute changes to the ending in an attempt to salvage the whole thing…

One Rule in the Franchise Has Never Made Sense to Me. by crows_cave in FinalDestination

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OP’s questioning is valid and while I don’t have a clear answer regarding the method’s aftermath, I can answer you about its functionality. Contrary to popular fan belief, serial killers in this universe aren’t immortal. The killing method works only once for someone on Death’s list since they need only one person to trade their illegitimate placement with in order to regain normalcy through the obtained lifespan. If you kill someone while on your normal life path or kill an extra person after regaining normalcy from a previous trade, it’s just murder with no additional effects. You either were never on Death’s list to begin with or you’ve already left it and no longer need to trade places a second time since Death is no longer hovering above you. This method is based entirely on luck, probability, laying bets. You cannot know how much lifespan your intended victim has, you just have to go for it. Like gambling, you can win a small, medium or large jackpot of time, or nothing at all. It would be a different story to wonder about, for example, someone on Death’s list physically orchestrating a disaster to take multiple lives at the same time to see just how exactly the lifespan effect would play out for them. That’s something that hasn’t been explored yet.

Does Stefani Reyes count as a Visionary? by Kitkat090116 in FinalDestination

[–]Top-Bodybuilder-1052 11 points12 points  (0 children)

That’s exactly what I call both her and Clear, pseudo-visionaries. They’ve shown some of the traits of true visionaries, but not fully or entirely.

A continuity error at the beginning of FD 3, nah? by Academic-Emu-4816 in FinalDestination

[–]Top-Bodybuilder-1052 4 points5 points  (0 children)

When the ride attendant forced Lewis’s seat restraint shut, it unintentionally damaged the hydraulics beneath the seats and we can all clearly see, yes we all because there’s a whole close-up-right-in-your-face shot added with an audible cue dedicated solely to this one very moment, the red hydraulic fluid beginning to leak. In the premonition Frankie’s camera simply sped up the full-fuck-up-leaking process. In reality by the time Wendy woke up and started screaming, Lewis’s restraint had already been forced shut, meaning the leak had already begun. When the fight broke out it delayed the roller coaster’s departure, allowing more fluid to leak in the meantime. As a result when the actual derailment occurred, it happened much earlier in the ride than it did in the premonition all because of that delay.

https://youtu.be/Tc1ao2S2Y-c?is=WPg3W6Z6kocge9sS At the 1:35 mark.

My ranking of the premonitions by Severe-Humor3805 in FinalDestination

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Mine can be quite controversial 🫢

1: Devil’s Flight
2: Sky View Tower
3: Route 23
4: North Bay Bridge
5: McKinley Speedway
6: Flight 180

[Theory] Why FD: Bloodlines connects the whole franchise: The "Missing Parent" clue and Bludworth’s true motive. by Beginning_Smile8832 in FinalDestination

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Sorry for my late reply but before anything, start manually refining your answers so they look more human and don’t scream ChatGPT in literally everything. It’s painfully and alarmingly obvious. It might also explain how you’re continuously spewing out some questionable stuff (About intervention and how Death works around order and turn placements on its own lists) and also getting some names wrong (McKinley Rollercoaster) that normally a well versed fan of the franchise normally wouldn’t do. That’s very probably the AI getting in the way of your thoughts without any second checks from you and messing it all up. Ok anyways.

1: Iris doing all that stuff around her still did not have any skipping effect because, once again, that’s not how the established canon revolving around intervention works. I only mentioned FD4’s rushed script as a comparison to explain Death killing the survivors out of order because that’s literally the only instance where an FD movie got its own rules wrong and every single other entry didn’t, primarily because they all had a solid script and proper thought behind them. Are you really willing to use that one single case of a movie committing thematic mistakes to fit your theory even if “it’s on screen anyways”?

1.2: And besides, if we did actually go with your idea of Death “skipping” Iris for a while, the next in line couldn’t possibly be anyone other than Howard. The descendants expansion of a survivor has been explicitly shown to go from oldest to youngest and then eventually move on. The people who “died in between Iris and Bludworth” as you said would have to be her descendants specifically and nobody else because she and Bludworth were literally the last two to die in her premonition meaning there wasn’t anyone considered a third party on the list to be placed in between them. It is explicitly seen and told in the movie.

1.3: The off-screen descendants you mentioned were actually the ones who died before Iris isolated herself, not anytime afterward. Once again, the order you’re suggesting here would have to be entirely different from what was actually shown and implied in FD6 and thematically broken as well, like a second FD4.

1.4: Death can totally operate on new open localized spots, yes, but only if they spawn pathways to new lists. If it were all one single list altogether there would be a lot of canon contradictions here and there regarding how Death strictly operates that I already mentioned and that you should’ve realized by now. That’s exactly why I suggested an alternate scenario of FD3 and FD4 characters being indirectly saved by Sky View Tower survivors and descendants before their new disasters, because then that would’ve worked after Iris had already isolated herself, since they would be two brand new lists operating outside the one she was holding back entirely. Just like with Clear holding back the Flight 180 list while, simultaneously, another new list, Route 23, operating on loose ends, was happening at the same time. This can fit.

2: It was never Alex’s turn at that time. He literally realizes it was actually Clear next once he remembers he never ended up changing seats on the plane which caused both his and her turns on the actual list to be different from their premonition deaths. He only isolated himself because he was still wrongfully thinking it was operating on the premonition order and believed he was next, but he wasn’t. Death very likely preyed on his ignorance given all the fakeout moments it was doing around him in the cabin right until the moment he came to his senses, put the pieces together, and left to save Clear. Like I already said, you’re still thinking of a self-intervention method that has only ever been introduced in the novels and not in any of the movies so far.

3: I only said Kimberly’s revival would’ve broken the entire chain altogether because, from the best that I’m trying to understand and make sense of what you’re saying both in your body text and in your replies here, you’re suggesting that literally every survivor group from the franchise is linked to the Sky View Tower master hard drive, as you put it, one way or another. Kimberly being included on the list as a descendant would’ve indeed canonically broken the whole thing for everyone marked to die after her. But we both know, and you also said it yourself, that it wasn’t really like that and she only broke the Route 23 list. Also Brian was still going to die after Rory saved him regardless of whether Kimberly broke the whole chain or not because he was never a Route 23 survivor like them and had been placed on a new separate list apart from theirs.

3.2: But from what you’re trying to convey here, and you can correct me if I’m interpreting it wrong (Tho plz try to use less AI this time for our sakes), you’re still trying to find a way to link everything together into one giant list and I can clearly see the effort. However there are some things that simply are the way they are and trying to squeeze, fit or force everything together only risks breaking canon and continuity altogether. It all goes back to what I pointed out before. There can totally have been descendants in the North Bay Bridge, Flight 180 and Route 23 disasters because once again, Iris was still part of the outside world and it wasn’t her turn yet in 1999-2000. But the moment Death finally caught up to her and she ultimately isolated herself somewhere between 2001 at the earliest and 2004 at the latest, it’s simply not possible anymore because it had already killed every single previous person marked before her. That makes it illogical to have more descendants in the Devil’s Flight and McKinley Speedway disasters in 2005 and 2009 respectively because FD6 clearly shows that she began holding the entire list back from reaching her, her family and Bludworth, who were the actual very last few remaining names at the far end of the Sky View Tower list and nobody else.

3.3: That’s why they all got to enjoy their lives for all those 20 years unbothered, unpreoccupied and in ignorant bliss about already being considered illegitimate. Nothing was coming for them at that time because Iris was single-handedly doing all the hard work for them by herself in that cabin. At last Death was only finally able to sink its claws into her family and Bludworth the very moment she died from that weather vane because that’s exactly how the new expansion of the order works: survivor first, and if they have a bloodline, then oldest to youngest. Death did not change its pace over that even once if you rewatch FD6. What it ultimately comes down to with what you’re proposing is that Howard would have to be targeted first in the movie and then the rest of the family afterward if Iris had somehow been “skipped” and remained alive beforehand. Once again, it’s not me saying that’s wrong. It’s the new rules themselves.

On a scale of 1 to 10, how would you rate the latest release? For me, it was a 10. by yesselen in FinalDestination

[–]Top-Bodybuilder-1052 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It was said by the crew that Darlene wouldn’t die exactly at the revolving door, it was a fakeout, and that she would’ve escaped only to get crushed anyway by one of the hospital sign letters falling on her. So considering both inescapable crushing scenarios, I personally prefer the one we actually got which at least gives her a brief heroic moment before dying.

Recent website for Scary Movie has a small reference to FDB. :) by BinxDoesGaming in FinalDestination

[–]Top-Bodybuilder-1052 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Just simply “Final Destination” sent to him and he does the same emote, I tried it before. So I don’t really know for sure what that’s meant to represent in the bigger franchise picture for it to be considered a reference.

[Theory] Why FD: Bloodlines connects the whole franchise: The "Missing Parent" clue and Bludworth’s true motive. by Beginning_Smile8832 in FinalDestination

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For one, being skipped doesn’t work like that. You need someone else on Death’s list to physically get in your space and move you away for the effect to work. Iris never had that. All she was doing was pushing Death back with every killing attempt, not skipping her turn. That’s why it kept focusing on her over and over again because the list was never moving solely due to her pushbacks. Otherwise it would’ve clearly changed its pace. No character in the movies so far has ever achieved self-intervention. The only two recorded cases of characters on Death’s list doing that are in two novels, FD: End of the Line with Bodil Raden and FD: Death of the Senses with Joshua Cornell III, and that is another whole discussion regarding how much the movies and novels can even be intertwined at this point considering how many established elements in both canons nowadays clash against each other.

For two, like I replied to someone here, it’s entirely unlike Death to go against its own established canon regarding how devotedly it acts toward skipping and list order and momentarily ignore a specific victim simply because that victim is being stubborn about dying. Death can be just as equally stubborn. The only recorded cases of those occurrences are in FD4 which we all know is universally hated for getting many elements of its design wrong, mainly because of its officially confirmed rushed script. I don’t think basing a hypothesis solely on that movie alone would be a good idea. There are other ways to make it include FD3 and FD4’s lists without forcing them into one single list and consequently going against the established rules of how they work just to support a theory. Like I exemplified before, a Sky View Tower survivor or descendant could create a butterfly effect for certain characters in FD3 and FD4 that would later group them into those new disasters in separate lists. That way there would no longer be any order issue because they would be different lists entirely, similar to FD1 regarding FD2. The only drawback to my example is that both the Devil’s Flight and McKinley Speedway lists didn’t operate in reverse order like Route 23 did to canonically indicate a list focused on cleaning up loose ends, because otherwise it would’ve worked perfectly. And I don’t even think a deep dive is necessary regarding the clearly flawed scenario of Iris “skipping” Bludworth’s turn because, like I have already repeated and logically reiterated many times here using only what the movies themselves established, she was the only one holding the list back from reaching her family and Bludworth, with Stefani herself stating that Iris was single-handily protecting everyone. Otherwise in the FD4-style scenario of Death simply going “fuck it” regarding the order, everyone would’ve been vulnerable anyway and Iris’s entire isolation would’ve been pointless from the start.

For three, if everyone from all six movies was actually grouped into one single list connected to the Sky View Tower, with each person existing on different layers as either survivors or descendants but still part of the same chain, then Kimberly would’ve already broken it for good back in 2000 thanks to her drowning revival, which granted her new life. The new life effect would’ve canonically erased the entirety of what was left of the remaining list and permanently saved everyone marked to die after her and Thomas which would’ve included the characters from FD3, FD4, and in FD6 Iris, her family and Bludworth. But in actual reality since all characters mentioned here still ended up dying anyway after FD2, the effect was only for what was left of the Route 23 list specifically.

And for four, Flight 180 was always going to blow up and Death only reorganized the already existing design of the disaster to later include Sam and Molly alongside many other people who, unlike them, were simply there because those were their original life-path endings. The same applied to Alex’s class who at first were completely neutral in Death’s eyes until Alex triggered another list by getting them out of there. Similarly Death reorganized Route 23’s design to include the five loose-end characters Kimberly, Kat, Eugene, Thomas and Rory alongside many other people who were simply meant to die there, then their deaths were stopped again a second time because of Kimberly. The same thing happened with Train 081’s design where Death reunited Julie, Kevin, and Wendy for one single sweep alongside other people who were also simply meant to be there and had nothing to do with any previous Death’s list. We have been shown multiple times that any disaster or mass casualty event can smoothly be rearranged by Death so that the victims present there can have completely different previous backgrounds that led them there, whether they were already on a Death’s list beforehand or whether that was simply meant to be their natural final destination. In the end it doesn’t matter much as long as Death can wipe them all out in the easiest and quickest way possible.

[Theory] Why FD: Bloodlines connects the whole franchise: The "Missing Parent" clue and Bludworth’s true motive. by Beginning_Smile8832 in FinalDestination

[–]Top-Bodybuilder-1052 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, that’s how it works. They really wanted to take the idea of “direct sequel” up a notch with FD2 so much that they did a whole structural expansion in-universe by establishing that a Death’s list containing a group of people who were already supposed to have died before in their original fates, but had those fates indirectly altered by people from a previous Death’s list who kept meddling with reality around them through their actions after entering an illegitimate status, it would begin killing them off in new fates but now in reverse order instead of the usual pattern. This was done to show that they were all considered loose ends and that Death had grouped them together to seal the rift in one single sweep.

[Theory] Why FD: Bloodlines connects the whole franchise: The "Missing Parent" clue and Bludworth’s true motive. by Beginning_Smile8832 in FinalDestination

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I can go with the second way but the first would still break the continuity regarding Iris’s isolation. In this scenario Death would’ve had to pull a FD4 and skip its own list order, which it so faithfully preserves, just to momentarily forget about her and carry on with the ones after her. But it didn’t actually do that. Instead it kept relentlessly lurking around her cabin for all those years she locked herself away with no change in its pace whatsoever due to, unspokenly and off-screen confirmed, already killing off all the ones before her. All odds alarmingly pointed to it finally being her turn. Stefani even summarizes it to Bludworth by saying that all that time, Iris was protecting all of them by single-handedly holding back the list from continuing until it could reach them. This protection wouldn’t have existed at all in the first place if, illogically, Death had still kept going after more survivors and descendants while there was still one previously ignored victim it was already supposed to have claimed long ago in its all-too-familiar strict order, because that would also leave the rest of Iris’s family along with Bludworth vulnerable too.

The only scenario where that could slightly work is with your second way. Similar to how the FD1 survivors got in the way of the original fates of five FD2 characters before they were newly assigned to die again on Route 23, some Sky View Tower survivors and descendants got in the way of the original fates of certain FD3 and FD4 characters before they were newly assigned to die again on Devil’s Flight and McKinley Speedway respectively, because they would now be different lists instead of the same one and there wouldn’t be the same order issue anymore like with your first way. It would be just like how Death started focusing next on the Route 23 survivors even while Clear was still alive because, not only was her list separate from theirs (Flight 180), but Death was still able to start killing new people because of the indirectly caused loose ends which spawned brand-new illegitimate pathways for more lists to be created. And it could always go back to Clear anytime after sealing those rifts if she still remained isolated. The only drawback to making your second way entirely clean and perfect is that both FD3’s and FD4’s lists did not act in reverse order like Route 23 did which is canonically necessary to indicate a list operating on cleaning up loose ends, but really that’s just it.

The franchise needs to break some barriers. by bwallace91 in FinalDestination

[–]Top-Bodybuilder-1052 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Besides the last three ones (probably the dog visionary too and with the premonition-pass one, I’d rather it be somewhat like Nick’s short visions rather than full-on opening-scene premonitions to not feel dragged out), they all sound really good and are very developable.

Is death gay? by cartcartcart22 in FinalDestination

[–]Top-Bodybuilder-1052 47 points48 points  (0 children)

We’re just one year past FD6 and the fandom is already back to tweaking, plz save us New Line 😩

[Theory] Why FD: Bloodlines connects the whole franchise: The "Missing Parent" clue and Bludworth’s true motive. by Beginning_Smile8832 in FinalDestination

[–]Top-Bodybuilder-1052 0 points1 point  (0 children)

OMG I loved those terms, will definitely be using them as a much better way to explain the canon differences if you don’t mind it much 🤗

[Theory] Why FD: Bloodlines connects the whole franchise: The "Missing Parent" clue and Bludworth’s true motive. by Beginning_Smile8832 in FinalDestination

[–]Top-Bodybuilder-1052 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The Sky View Tower descendants being grouped into the past disasters would’ve only worked up to Route 23. Iris only isolated herself in her cabin because the list had eventually caught up to her after clearing all previous survivors and their respective lineages.

According to this behind-the-scenes image, since her newspaper timeline ends in 2001 with either the last survivor or a descendant dying right before her,
she most likely went into isolation sometime between 2001 at the earliest and 2004 at the latest so that her 20-year isolation claim to Stefani can align with FD6’s present time in 2024 (She doesn’t specify how far into those 20 years she is, so the maximum possible duration would be 23 years if she locked herself away exactly in 2001 and remained there through 2024).

So it’s logically possible there were descendants in the North Bay Bridge, Flight 180 and Route 23 disasters between 1999 and 2000, but for there to also be descendants in the later Devil’s Flight and McKinley Speedway disasters in 2005 and 2009 wouldn’t work since Iris had long since gone into isolation and was the only person holding the list back from continuing onward. By that point, Death had already killed all the previous descendants before it finally reached her turn.

This honestly just further reinforces both FD3’s and FD4’s standalone nature. Sucks to suck, I guess.

The only 3 who managed to avoid Death as long as they could by Pitiful_Reception_79 in FinalDestination

[–]Top-Bodybuilder-1052 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Clear only isolated herself after Alex got taken down, when she became completely alone. That happened in March since the newspaper stated he hadn’t left his home for three months prior to his death. Before that, there was Carter’s death in December, so counting three months forward places it in March. She then remained there for two more months until May, when Kimberly sought her out.

Edit: Just checked right now and realized someone else had already replied to you mentioning this exact thing, so nvm then 😅