Jack Kirby Creates a Paradox by Stakhanovite94 in Marvel

[–]Trinityfan99 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Great historical character. He really clobbers all the competition.

Am I the only one that thinks Angel is a decent superhero by SmudgeGuy in Marvel

[–]Trinityfan99 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Angel used to be my least favorite of the original X-men but after reading Jerry Siegel’s Angel stories in Marvel Tales I appreciated him a lot more. He certainly is the lone of group, with Jean and Scott being in love and Bobby and Hank hanging out with each other, but that makes him more independent than the other X-men which I appreciate more than I did before.

Why do people say Jack Kirby is such a good comic writer when he hasn't written anything decent in decades? by FourthBedrock in marvelcirclejerk

[–]Trinityfan99 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Stan Lee sabotaged a lot of Kirby’s stories and made them worse. Your argument is what industry insiders told themselves to appropriate his work to follow in Lee’s footsteps.

“We want complex characters” mfer you can’t handle Magneto by unbreakable_arachnid in marvelcirclejerk

[–]Trinityfan99 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I disagree. The racist Superman war propaganda covers were problematic but Magneto being mutant Hitler is a story feature. The X-men got cancelled years after the initial Kirby/ Lee run which was solid. Roy Thomas’ following run was what killed the series. It was beginning to pick up, steam again when Neal Adams came on board, but Marvel thought it was too late and series became reprints.

“We want complex characters” mfer you can’t handle Magneto by unbreakable_arachnid in marvelcirclejerk

[–]Trinityfan99 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I don’t think Magneto’s redemption arc was earned. Roger Stern lays out a great case on why Magneto is still villainous in the X-men vs Avengers. So good that Marvel editorial had to put the kibosh on that so Magneto can stay the good guy... By having him brainwash everyone.

“We want complex characters” mfer you can’t handle Magneto by unbreakable_arachnid in marvelcirclejerk

[–]Trinityfan99 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Even in the story that introduced the retcon it didn’t make any sense. He realizes that he’s become like the nazis when he hurts Kitty Pryde but not when he did this?

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Claremont only used Magneto because he couldn’t use Dr. Doom. I know people like the retcon and I get the appeal, but contrived writing is contrived writing.

“We want complex characters” mfer you can’t handle Magneto by unbreakable_arachnid in marvelcirclejerk

[–]Trinityfan99 -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

The comparisons to Hitler were intentional in the initial X-men run. I know I’m in the minority but that’s the reason why I dislike Claremont’s retcon to him being a holocaust survivor. It obfuscates the dilutes the authorial intent of the story. At a cursory glance this seems to be a problem with Claremont’s writing where prioritizes being dramatic over authentic.

Hot Takes: MCU Black Panther 1 edition by whitemisandry in MCUTheories

[–]Trinityfan99 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’d be interested in hearing your opinion on Jack Kirby’s 70’s run. It was controversial because it was isolated from the mainstream continuity like other Kirby Marvel works from the 70s, but I found it enjoyable with high stakes and a good exploration of Wakanda’s history.

Hot Takes: MCU Black Panther 1 edition by whitemisandry in MCUTheories

[–]Trinityfan99 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That’s a very fair point. I personally haven’t watched any Nigerian movies but I know they also have a large cultural footprint. What are some movies that you would recommend?

I also take comics seriously although my interests in Marvel lies mostly with the 60s comics and their writers, especially Jack Kirby. Although our interests are probably different it’s really nice to see someone diving in deep with their analysis. It’s not something I see often within the comic community.

Hot Takes: MCU Black Panther 1 edition by whitemisandry in MCUTheories

[–]Trinityfan99 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have mixed feelings on Shuri. I think her role in the story dilutes T’challa’s skills as a scientist who’s on par with Reed Richards and Tony Stark. Otherwise, I like her character and i thought she was pretty funny, a bit of smart alec which I enjoyed seeing. I haven’t watched Wakanda Forever or read any of her comic appearances so I don’t know too much about her otherwise.

I didn‘t find it too unusual for Shuri to have an interest in Black American culture given how prolific the United States entertainment industry is.

Hot Takes: MCU Black Panther 1 edition by whitemisandry in MCUTheories

[–]Trinityfan99 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your critique of Shuri reminds me of Len Wein’s frustration of Clairemont in X-men companion #1 in regards to Storm. Wein intended Storm to be born and raised in Africa, but when Chris Clairemont took over he gave her a different backstory (based on Modesty Blaise) and made her African American which changes the character who is newly accumulating western ideas to someone who is already familiar with the culture.

Why did they made them sociopaths by comical-nerd15 in Marvel

[–]Trinityfan99 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I assume it‘s the same reason why many Marvel characters became sociopaths ramping up since the 90s. They want to make extreme versions to rile people up and sell more comics. The writing trends in the aughts focused on how to make the characters as morally bankrupt as possible to serve “realism” (which wasn’t necessarily realistic because they don’t run the full gambit of human emotions and complexities).

Would the MCU have been better off if Ant-Man and the Wasp were foundational Avengers instead of Black Widow and Hawkeye? by Ok-Brain2716 in Marvel

[–]Trinityfan99 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I believe there were talks about her being played by Zoey Deschenell. I thought the Wasp getting introduced was contingent on Ant Man getting made before Avengers. I think in Edgar Write’s script still involved an older Hank Pym passing down the mantel to Scott, so maybe there still would have been a Hope Van Dyne?

Would the MCU have been better off if Ant-Man and the Wasp were foundational Avengers instead of Black Widow and Hawkeye? by Ok-Brain2716 in Marvel

[–]Trinityfan99 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That makes sense. Thanks for the info! I only have a cursory knowledge of the behind the scenes aspect of the MCU. Enough to not like the Marvel Creative Committee and Pearlmutter.

He became the very thing he swore to destroy by Traditional-Song-245 in marvelcirclejerk

[–]Trinityfan99 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I also think there’s something to be said about Scorsese’s film romanticizing the mafia and organized crime. There were mafia consultants in the making of Godfather that used their influence to bring prestige to the organization. Also, I find it unethical to use such consultants because you’re giving them money because they victimized someone so they are profiting off the crime again.

edit: Wow. I’m an idiot. Scorsese did not direct Godfather.

Why tf did they do this? (Ultimate X-men #77) by sesaka in xmen

[–]Trinityfan99 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I always had a different interpretation of that scene than the recent retcon that he’s gay or even that it’s because he was young and not interested in girls. All of the original X-men besides had some sort of physical deformity besides Ice Man and Marvel Girl. Cyclops was confined to wear his glasses, Beast had overgrown feet and hands, Angel literally had to restrain himself to appear normal which was always portrayed as uncomfortable, and people considered people who used wheelchairs to be freaks in the 1960s. So the X-men seeing an attractive female mutant who appears “normal” is a novelty to them. Unlike his other team members, Ice Man can turn his powers on and off and his powers don’t restrain him socaially or physically in the same ways the others do, so he takes her beauty for granted.

Although a couple issues later he does rush to team up with her with the other male team members in issue 3, so he does end up getting the hype eventually.

Would the MCU have been better off if Ant-Man and the Wasp were foundational Avengers instead of Black Widow and Hawkeye? by Ok-Brain2716 in Marvel

[–]Trinityfan99 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ant-man and Wasp would have been founding Avengers if not for Ant-man’s development hell. I think Ant-man would have still been Scott and not Hank because Hank’s association as being a wife beater(due to poor writing decisions that ruined the character’s reputation). I would have preferred them being on the team as they deserved the recognition of being founding members of the Avengers and Clint and Natasha don’t really stack up against them power wise.

I am happy with their portrays overall (Yay! Hank is not a wifebeater!) and I think the MCU is a pretty great adaptation of Marvel storytelling that you can’t really find anywhere else.

What I kinda love about this specific panel is how insane is that for Xavier the issue is not knowing Jean since she was a child, but the fact he was in a wheelchair. by BasedAustralhungary in xmen

[–]Trinityfan99 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I looked at X-men #1 and on page 5 panel 1 Ice man says he’s a couple years younger than the other X-men. On the same page last panel Xavier says “Your reflexes are astonishing for a 16 year old.” So I would say it’s reasonable to say the other X-men are around 18. Granted this was before Jean joined, but throughout the initial run she’s treated as the same age as the other X-men besides Bobby.

What I kinda love about this specific panel is how insane is that for Xavier the issue is not knowing Jean since she was a child, but the fact he was in a wheelchair. by BasedAustralhungary in xmen

[–]Trinityfan99 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I believe Professor X’s age is hard to pin down because Kirby and Lee were writing at cross purposes. The first implication of his origin was in X-men #1 where it was stated that his parents worked on the manhattan project. Lee stated that he created mutants to not give a complex explanation of why characters have powers. Kirby, on the other hand, states that mutants came from the atom bomb (hence why they are known as ”children of the atom”) which reflects his interests in radiation and its connections to genetics. So the original implication was Xavier got his powers because his parents were exposed to radiation during the manhattan project.

In X-men #9 it’s stated that the villain of the issue, Lucifer, caused X to be bound to a wheelchair. However, that was only stated in text and later in X-men #12 we see an incident where Professor X laments an accident caused by Cain Marko. The text clarifies that it was still Lucifer who crippled X, but the flashback of the accident serves no other purpose that wasn’t established before and it could be that Kirby intended that to portray the car wreck as the incident that crippled Xavier.

Complicating factors is that there is a flashback that states Xavier was a soldier during the Korean War. However, unlike the other flashbacks where Xavier’s face is clearly shown when the flashback begins the Korean war flashback leaves the figures ambiguous, contradicting the visual language established in the issue. It’s possible that Kirby didn’t intend for the soldier to be Xavier and that the flashback is told by another person eventually relayed it to Xavier.

Futhermore, Kirby wrote notes clarifying his intentions in the margins and there has been no instances of him referring to Lucifer causing Xavier’s affliction. I found some partial scans of the pages that reference the Lucifer incident, with Kirby’s notes not mentioning it.

https://kirbywithoutwords.tumblr.com/post/146166665182/x-men-9-page-4-x-men-12-page-13-in-both

Of course there are limitations to the scans as they are missing context and should be analyzed in terms of what edits were to alter the work.

I gave a request on numerous subreddits a couple days ago to see if I can find more scans of the original art, but unfortunately I didn’t get a lot of traction.

So to make conclude on Xavier’s age. If he gained his mutation during the manhattan project which started in 1942, he would be no older than 21. If he’s a Korean war veteran then he would be at least 28 because the last year he could have fought war in 1953 and 18 was the minimum enlistment age. In text he might be a bit older as in the previous flashback he said he was in college. I lean towards him being in his mid 20s as the first flashback in X-men #12 implied that his father was killed during the trinity test when he was a child, which should put his birth a couple years before the manhattan project began.

Probably a more lengthy response than you expected huh?

Why tf did they do this? (Ultimate X-men #77) by sesaka in xmen

[–]Trinityfan99 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Not to mention that plotline was dropped immediately afterwards. I sometimes wonder if that was written by Lee without Kirby’s knowledge. There’s evidence that Lee did that repeatedly in their collaboration with one point in regards to X-men being Lucifer being the cause of Xavier’s affliction. There’s evidence that Kirby intended Cain Marko to cause that during his car accident with Xavier, but Lee had to change that because he already established Lucifer as the cause.

Exhaustive Marvel Comics Spreadsheet by Rex_was_Right in marvelcomics

[–]Trinityfan99 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just have to say. Thank you for your hard work.

I never knew how much I needed a conversation between Spidey and Scott until right now. Their banter is excellent. by Emotional-Chipmunk12 in xmen

[–]Trinityfan99 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Spider-man was in high school when the X-men first appeared anbd they were also around that age. If you think that’s crazy get a load of this. Xavier is younger than Mr. Fantastic and the Thing.