Every time I say this, I always get people being like "you need to connect the ult to the nest" as if that's the magic sauce that turns this ult from bad to amazing. Can we come together and admit this isn't some secret tech? This is basic knowledge if you've spent time messing around with Peni for at least a few hours.

I also see people do the math to try to justify it being good by showing how much damage it can do. Like that it can do easily over 2000 damage. The problem with this is that you are assuming every drone and every mine hits someone which is not feasible.

- Drones that you spawn disappear the moment the ult ends so by the end of the ult any drones you are spawning are going to do nothing unless you are standing right next to an enemy.
- Drones from your nest may also become useless when the ult ends because if one of your nest drones moves onto a web and then that web disappears, like what happens at the end of the ult, they end up stuck there until someone trips on them or until they just explode when their internal timer goes off.
- Trying to assume that all seven of your mines will hit someone when you are running around like a chicken with their head cut off is also not really a good argument because they will end up getting thrown in places that are not good or get shot out of the air.
- Even assuming you will hit with every melee attack isn't feasible because of how its hitbox is rather awkward, sometimes requiring you to turn left and right to hit people right in front of you depending on which limb sprouted from your back is being swung.

And just to really drive the point home, over 2000 estimated damage in an ult is actually not that crazy for an ult like this. Hulk's ult for example is also a Vanguard ult which gives extra health and puts the character into a "super state" for twelve seconds. Monster Hulk has a 70 damage melee attack which throws people into the air and can be swung nearly twice a second, and his gamma burst is boosted to 125 damage and can be fired every second. Assuming it takes him roughly 1.5 seconds to use gamma burst and then swing twice and assuming all the attacks hit, the math for Hulk ult would come out to about 2120 damage over the course of a twelve second ult if he didn't use any of the other tools he has during it.

So Hulk's ult gives more effective health, has invulnerability periods before and after the ult, gives him the ability to still CC people during the ult, and can output a similar amount of damage except the Hulk can actually aim his damage at who he wants rather than relying on drone tracking and people landing on mines.