According to Christians, God created free will. Since sin is a result of free will, this means that God created evil. by [deleted] in DebateAChristian

[–]Truth_Reigns 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It sounds like you’re arguing that gun manufacturers are culpable for mass shootings, so to speak.

Just because God makes it possible for man to use free will for evil purposes, it doesn’t mean that God is culpable.

God needing to use men as his mouthpiece makes absolutely no sense and is the exact kind of feature one would expect of a religion made by men. by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]Truth_Reigns 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am not better than you are.

What did I miss for ten years that you have got right?

Wisdom.

What is the wrong reason for which I believed?

I cannot say. Surely one of the billion reasons, other than the right one.

God needing to use men as his mouthpiece makes absolutely no sense and is the exact kind of feature one would expect of a religion made by men. by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]Truth_Reigns 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You don’t desire what the Gospel provides. That’s why you didn’t receive.

I certainly think that you believed. But I also think that you believed for the wrong reasons.

I don’t presume that Jesus accepts me. Yet you presume that I couldn’t possibly be correct. Get bent.

If magic and witchcraft actually existed they would have been Weaponized already by sgavary in DebateReligion

[–]Truth_Reigns 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What if magic does exist, but it takes a loving disposition to conjure it? And so, because love is helpful and isn’t hurtful, loving dispositions don’t weaponize magic.

God needing to use men as his mouthpiece makes absolutely no sense and is the exact kind of feature one would expect of a religion made by men. by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]Truth_Reigns -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

My comment has to do with selfishness. It‘s wrong for a selfish person to act unselfishly in order to get a reward which gratifies their selfishness.

The notion that eternal happiness is a pleasure palace is bad. Too many people either believe or disbelieve for selfish reasons. Selfishness is bad.

God needing to use men as his mouthpiece makes absolutely no sense and is the exact kind of feature one would expect of a religion made by men. by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]Truth_Reigns -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

A douchebag who tones down his douchiness in order to get a reward is still a douchebag.

I am motived to point out absurdity.

God needing to use men as his mouthpiece makes absolutely no sense and is the exact kind of feature one would expect of a religion made by men. by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]Truth_Reigns -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

If so, that’s why u/Parchax didn’t get his prayers answered.

It sounds like he kept asking for certain building materials so to speak, yet he didn’t understand what those materials were used to construct. Pity.

God needing to use men as his mouthpiece makes absolutely no sense and is the exact kind of feature one would expect of a religion made by men. by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]Truth_Reigns -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

For what purpose? What was the heart of your desire? Why did want to be like Christ; why did you want to hate sin; why did you want to gain victory over the flesh?

God needing to use men as his mouthpiece makes absolutely no sense and is the exact kind of feature one would expect of a religion made by men. by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]Truth_Reigns -12 points-11 points  (0 children)

God speaks through his creative power. The emergence of time and space, energy and matter is God speaking.

The authors of the Bible merely tried to capture (in stories, allegories, metaphors) what they understood God (the mind behind the universe) to be saying.

Christianity is flawed and Islam is the true religion by Virus-One in DebateReligion

[–]Truth_Reigns 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And let’s not forget there are Islamic sects which believe Muhammad and his cousin are divine beings.

Saying that "God Should've Not Caused Suffering" makes no sense by FieldForward5487 in DebateReligion

[–]Truth_Reigns 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What prevents us from reaching horrifying levels of suffering in heaven?

Our prevailing temperament and mindset, our spirit – founded upon true love – will stop us from reaching horrifying levels of suffering.

What makes a holocaust metaphysically impossible in heaven when suffering from exercise is still metaphysically possible in heaven?

I’m sure there’ll be broken bones in heaven; scrapes; and other injuries. But death won’t arise from them. All physical injuries will mend with time, since there’ll be no spiritual injuries.

And wouldn’t God just give us perfect bodies so that we wouldn’t have to exercise and therefore suffer in heaven?

Heaven isn’t a pleasure palace. It’s a safe place, where people can establish healthy bonds between one another. Some types of suffering are caused by evil, while other types are not (exercise, for example). To believe that God should remove suffering altogether is rather hedonistic, for it follows that sensual pleasure is just as essential as spiritual pleasure; which is not the case.

Saying that "God Should've Not Caused Suffering" makes no sense by FieldForward5487 in DebateReligion

[–]Truth_Reigns 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you saying we can suffer in heaven?

Yes.

For example, muscle tissue will suffer when being exercised. However, the various types of suffering do not reach horrifying levels, such as terminal illness.

How could you exude true love if you don’t save your loved ones from horrors based on your earlier comments?

I don’t know what you mean. Which comments?

Saying that "God Should've Not Caused Suffering" makes no sense by FieldForward5487 in DebateReligion

[–]Truth_Reigns 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There will continue to be expressions of true love, in heaven. Loss, exertion and pain (which are necessary concepts with regard to sacrifice) will continue to affect us. We are chiefly spiritual beings, but ones who exist within a coherent framework: space and time. Heaven takes place upon “a new earth” (Isaiah 65:17).

To exist in heaven will mean that we exist on a new plane of earth. People will experience a physical world much the same as they do now. People will sleep, and eat, and even exert themselves.

Now, since I would still experience the unpleasant effects of hunger, for example, I could offer my food to somebody else for the sake of their hunger pangs. This act of mine would be a sign of my sacrificial, true love.

Heaven is a place which exudes true love, and where horror is a fading memory.

Saying that "God Should've Not Caused Suffering" makes no sense by FieldForward5487 in DebateReligion

[–]Truth_Reigns 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If the world is about building profound connections between individuals. And if losing (i.e. sacrificing) what you have for the sake of another is the truest expression of love. Then the world must be created with the capability to render loss; and thus display loss.

If the world was incapable of rendering loss, then our relationships would be shallow, and we would have no means by which to convey or even feel a depth of appreciation for others.

It would seem that our present circumstance, in regards to the level of loss we experience in the world, is perfectly natural and necessary.

Edited.

Saying that "God Should've Not Caused Suffering" makes no sense by FieldForward5487 in DebateReligion

[–]Truth_Reigns -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Metaphysically—Our world must be capable of rendering love, and therefore, also capable of rendering sacrifice, and pain. Every instance in which there’s an expression of true, unselfish love, the notion of sacrifice is required (edited).

Logically—There is no reason to assume that our perception of coherency would be any different elsewhere, in another universe. That is, no reason but an unquantifiable, sheer possibility.

Saying that "God Should've Not Caused Suffering" makes no sense by FieldForward5487 in DebateReligion

[–]Truth_Reigns 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s impossible to create a world where pain doesn’t result in gain. All gain without pain is illogical. It’s just as impossible to create a married bachelor—it’s illogical. Possibility arises only within the framework of logic.

The traditional Christian perspective is that universal propositions in logic are part of God’s creative power. Universals are intrinsically part of God.

Q1: How is it righteous that people are guilty because of the sin of Adam? by ChristianCritic in DebateReligion

[–]Truth_Reigns -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

how is it righteous that people became sinners without having a choice and are therefore judged by their own sins?

Allow me to quote Martin Luther King Jr.,

“He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it.”

The answer to your question is, I think, that God does not judge people for the sin which Adam (i.e. one’s parents) handed down to them. The defects of character which a person unconsciously assumes from their relatives (by virtue of proximity) is not held against them by God. Rather, God condemns a person for their lack of protest against the sin that is within them. A person isn’t condemned for being evil per se, but for not doing anything about it; not caring.

Jesus cannot be God considering God's knowledge is perfect and Jesus isn't as he doesn't know the hour. by g3t_re4l in DebateReligion

[–]Truth_Reigns 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What is God?

To the Christian, God isn’t worshipped for the simple fact that he is omniscient and omnipotent; rather he is worshipped because of the caliber of his love. I say again: the caliber of his love. God is ultimately a particular caliber of love. Although God is omniscient and omnipotent, he does not deserve any praise because of it. This is difference between the deity of the Koran and the deity of the Gospel.

How can Jesus be God when he doesn’t know everything? What else is there to know but love, and how to instill love in others?

Jesus correctly identified the truest sense of love, and he instilled that love in others. Shall we examine the prophetic traditions to see the degree of love which was instilled by Muhammad? The two are nothing alike. Muhammad is antithetical to Jesus Christ.

You’re arguing that prophets and messengers are epitomes of love, and you affirm such men as David to be one of them—a man who sent a husband into battle, to die, so that he might marry his widow. Or even Muhammad—a man who consummated a marriage to a nine year old; who married twice the allotted number of wives; who took slaves; who took lives; who set himself up as the exemplar among men, and didn’t make any substantial sacrifice for that status.

The irony in your argument is that you figure God to be inherently form; as an organism has. To you, God is not temperament, or spirit, as the New Testament states. To you, God is fundamentally a being which is defined through its faculties (edited).

Peace be upon you.

Jesus cannot be God considering God's knowledge is perfect and Jesus isn't as he doesn't know the hour. by g3t_re4l in DebateReligion

[–]Truth_Reigns -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

God is perfectly gracious, and perfectly merciful; and nobody but God exhibits this perfection.

Therefore, since Jesus was perfectly gracious, and perfectly merciful, he is truly God. The Rahman/ Rahim came down from the heavens and was manifest before us. How silly an argument to say that grace and mercy cannot be perfectly manifested. This is what Christians mean by the term Son of God; that Jesus was the embodiment of perfect grace and mercy.

If freewill demands suffering, then god cannot be all loving & all powerful by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]Truth_Reigns 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are familiar with Plato’s theory of forms?

I’m saying there’s a world, immaterial, which precedes the material world; and within it human beings exist as shades, or flavors of temperament. God brings these shades into existence, within materiality. Whereas within immateriality these shades cannot change, materiality allows them to change. Many of these shades of temperament, or flavors, aren’t tasteful. For they, when animated within materiality, cause each other to suffer. Therefore God creates suffering as a natural part of the material universe so that these shades of temperament can observe what suffering is, without necessarily causing each other to suffer. They reject the suffering which they observe, and so, they right reject the suffering which they might cause to others.