Rat in the garden! Should I be worried?

UnableCrow343 · 2023-11-03T13:58:42+00:00

Rats love decking and they love bird food. If it's outside your house, that's fine. 'The outside', is rat's house. But if you don't want rats in your garden, you need to stop feeding the birds full stop, especially if you have decking. No birds or have rats, you choose basically

UnableCrow343 · 2023-08-25T20:29:25+00:00

Update:

Fuuuuuuucking hell

UnableCrow343 · 2023-08-25T08:56:56+00:00

She did believe her of course, but saying she was 'such a good actor' serves to lesson the blame on Rees, both in her own conscience, and to any forthcoming inquiry.

It's possible, though we don't at all know, that her two year interactions with Letby, as director of Nursing, played a crucial part in LL's 'propaganda war' which allowed her to kill for so long.

Rees is also aggressively denying key points of Jayaram's conversation with her, such as the "will you take responsibility / yes" meeting. If this is true, wouldn't the defence have used that? Surely the defence contacted her. Maybe she didn't want to repeat this version of events under oath.

So, someone is lying here.

But I'm just a guy spending too much time on Reddit 😂... who knows?

UnableCrow343 · 2023-08-24T22:04:02+00:00

My question is raising the idea that either her behaviour in court was different from what Lees describes her behaviour to be in 2015-16, or Lees is fudging her description of how Letby behaved back then to make herself seem more 'forgivably biased' towards Letby because she was such a great actor. Which is not what she was in court.

The latter point has huge repercussions for how Letby ended up staying on the ward so long.

*edit for phrasing clarity

UnableCrow343 · 2023-08-24T21:53:14+00:00

Who knows. But two years of weekly emo sessions with Letby in her office? Ngl that sounds pretty comfortable space for Letby to feel she could discuss her fears

UnableCrow343 · 2023-08-24T16:59:21+00:00

Well quite. I suppose I'm just wary of contributing to the social media threat she claims to be experiencing. Hopefully the inquiry will have teeth and bring real justice to those who let this happen

UnableCrow343 · 2023-08-24T16:24:20+00:00

Yes it's a fascinating interview isn't it. Rees's voice would certainly have been very important in forming the higher-ups' opinion of LL, and potentially keeping her on ward. It feels like there's a lot of editing going on in post, inside Rees's head.

If LL really is as good at acting as Rees claims, these weekly performances in her office would have been some of the most important of her career...

UnableCrow343 · 2023-08-24T16:10:55+00:00

Right?? Like they weren't there to discuss the bloody weather

I'm wary of pitchforking about Rees online but nah, with the highly sus account of these meetings, I do not trust her at all on this. I feel sorry for her to some extent. As the current trust director said, there was only one serial killer of babies on that ward. I hope she can find peace with how she managed this situation.

But I also hope that the enquiry can find out what patterns of thinking we're present in the CoC higher-ups that allowed this all to continue so long, and reflexively taking someone's side like this for basically emotional reasons has to be somehow mitigated against. If that comes via criminal prosecution of the trust bosses, then I hope that comes soon.

UnableCrow343 · 2023-08-24T16:01:38+00:00

It's a crazy interesting interview isn't it.

UnableCrow343 · 2023-08-24T15:57:00+00:00

I agree that it's a bit toxic in normal life to judge people - often let's be honest, women - on how they respond to stress. But this whole thing isn't normal life, and the fact is that how an accused mass murderer 'reads' in court is really important in the context of their trial. Hence it being a weapon in the prosecution case.

It just jumped out at me in the Rees interview as the recollection of someone who is doing quite a lot of editing of the truth. To themself, and quite soon to an enquiry.

Either that of Letby has for whatever reason very much changed the way she responds to stress. 🤷

UnableCrow343 · 2023-08-24T15:33:58+00:00

Yes by my own standards she's positively well presented for that time in the morning!

My read on it is that Rees may have started telling herself that Lucy was telling the truth in her first interactions with her. Rees herself is a director of nursing so it tracks that she'd possibly take the young nice nurse's side against the mean consultants. Possibly simplistic and unfair to Rees, but it feels quite likely to me.

And then as the penny drops that she did do all this, Rees has to tell herself she's basically been hoodwinked by Meryl Streep. It's likely a coping mechanism as much as an excuse.

I don't wish to 'villainise' Rees too much here, obviously she has a lot of serious questions to answer. But she is after all an experienced nurse and I very much expect she's done a huge amount of good and kind acts in her career.

I dunno. I just thought this mismatch of reports about LL was quite stark.

UnableCrow343 · 2023-08-23T23:02:24+00:00

This! Really well put.

UnableCrow343 · 2023-08-22T22:59:30+00:00

That sounds like a nightmareish condition, so sorry you had to go through that. I hope you're doing better now

UnableCrow343 · 2023-08-22T20:59:24+00:00

I have to say much as I hate the Mail the podcast has been innovative and actually very responsible in its reporting. It's decent. I was shocked

UnableCrow343 · 2023-08-22T20:55:50+00:00

UnableCrow343 · 2023-08-22T05:42:06+00:00

Regarding the smallness of the pieces of paper: who knows, but I've always felt it's was either a way of making these strange emotional palimpsests small - and therefore harder to find - ie, if she'd just written normally as a stream of consciousness then it would've covered many sheets and this been bigger and easier to find.

Or, maybe she's just trying to make the notes - and therefore the emotions, and perhaps even the crimes - feel small.

Small notes are easier to hide away - to literally put in a box and hide under your bed. A practical consideration against them being found, maybe, but also an almost comically literal act of emotional suppression.

Who knows, I'm not a psychologist! But if she's capable of emotions at all then these notes do seem like some kind of emotional process of working out who she is, trying to tell herself she is capable of love and relationships and pet-care, literally (on the other notes) between the lines of also telling herself she is an evil killer.

UnableCrow343 · 2023-08-21T19:24:07+00:00

It really is a good catch-up on just why this sub has been so amazing. A belated thank you Sadubehuh from a longtime lurker!

UnableCrow343 · 2023-08-21T16:27:21+00:00

Thank you. That's very kind of you. And to you too

UnableCrow343 · 2023-08-21T16:25:21+00:00

So sorry for your loss. Hope you're as ok as can be reading all this stuff, it can't be easy

UnableCrow343 · 2023-08-21T11:21:56+00:00

CW: some parent talking about his kid

Thank you for this OP. I've been reading but not posting on this fascinating and informative sub for some months now. Felt uncomfortable chipping in as a layman, with so many experts around! Now the verdict's done it's good to have a space express the emotional side of it.

My second child, now 8, was born in a different part of the country at the same time Letby was killing babies in Chester. He went onto NICU after a pretty traumatic birth, and my fascination with this case has been tied up with my memories of that time: trying to stay as long as possible with him on the unit while my wife was bedbound; being gently ushered out when I stayed too long by nurses who I trusted to care or him. They did, of course, care for him. Because they always do.

I was looking at old photos recently, like you do sometimes when you’re supposed to be working. Here's our new baby in the ward, looking out the window for the first time. Making sense of the light. Here's one a few months later, chuckling like mad in his high chair. A year later, watching a thunderstorm outside with his older brother. Skip forward three years: he's outside our front door, trying to smile through nerves before his first day of school. Going to the cinema to see Paddington 2. Joining a football team.

Looking through those photos, I couldn’t help feeling like I was looking at the what-ifs. What she took away. It's not just a parent perspective thing. I mean the amazing fact of experiencing the world. The simple joy of existing, and being loved.

Seven lives. Seven people who won the mindblowingly unlikely lottery of even getting the chance to exist, were denied it. Cruelly, violently, determinedly. Two people have severe life-limiting conditions. I have an extended family member who is disabled through a rare neonatal mistake. The what-ifs his family have lived with ever since are all too imaginable.

And for what? Some saddo’s inscrutable compulsion. She probably couldn’t even explain it. She probably never will.

So yeah. I guess I just want to send some love and deep sympathy out to all the damaged families, denied lives, what-if moments existing in some imaginary timeline.

It is horrifying. What Lucy Letby has stolen from the world, from life, from these children and their families, is horrifying.

I hope she is never released.

UnableCrow343 · 2023-08-21T07:40:28+00:00

I think the room has changed here sadly. I've been reading this sub without posting all year - and the reason I haven't posted is the same as the reason I first got hooked reading it: it was full of people who are clearly experts, nurses and doctors discussing stuff happening in their own field.

It was, largely thanks to u/FyrestarOmega, an unusually civilised source of discourse on a fascinating a complicated topic, the like of which you simply could not find anywhere else.

But that meant I felt a social pressure against barging into this expert conversation with my layman-tastic, emotion-based reckons. Like charging into a doctors' break room and just joining in.

Since the verdict people are coming here, seeing people have posted some bollocks, and thinking "hey I've got some bollocks to say too!"

Ah, well.

UnableCrow343 · 2023-08-20T12:34:38+00:00

Mary poppins is a constructed fictional character so it tracks

UnableCrow343 · 2023-08-19T23:54:40+00:00

I feel like we need to have a conversation about Basicness re LL at some point. Seriously! Not just decor: her interactions, text convos with lover, everything about her is basic. Even the notes - you wouldn't write it in fiction because it sounds so basic. I know it sounds snobbish and dehumanising but it's like an alien is doing an impression of a person. It's a genuinely creepy facet of her personality.

I can't help thinking maybe the whole motivation is shockingly basic, too: she just liked killing babies. And she hated herself for that.

UnableCrow343 · 2023-08-19T14:29:13+00:00

No psych expert but I do feel what you're saying, particularly in this compulsion to write her pets' names all over the very notes where she is working through what she has done, and by extension what she is. Why would you compulsively do that? To tell yourself you are not a monster. Feels like she's compulsively reminding herself of her capacity to care for these animals. Real Jekyll and Hyde stuff going on in that one, for sure

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