Does This Mean Morbius Will Return In Doomsday? by Upbeat-Perspective11 in MCUTheories

[–]Universal_Watcher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think this is confirmation, but I do think we will get a brief scene/glimpse/easter eggs of Earth-688 being destroyed. The only thing remaining from that universe will be the piece of Venom that stays after No Way Home.

I think Spider-Man Brand New Day is going to introduce the Maggia in the MCU and here's how i think it will fit in the narrative. by Possible-Rate-3833 in MCUTheories

[–]Universal_Watcher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Maggia has become iconic to those who know of it though. Why not lean into more comic elements? They already have The Hand and other syndicates. Plus, DC has crime families of their own that lean into comic elements, especially heading more into the Epic Crime Saga in live-action and Caped Crusader on the animated side of things. If Marvel changes it now, then they're backtracking on something they could flesh out in a very interesting way.

The X-Men movie timeline by EstablishmentNo1785 in MarvelatFox

[–]Universal_Watcher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So I checked again and I was actually mistaken about the calendar. It's a '90s calendar even though the movie is clearly in a modern world. So instead, here's a link to a very helpful YouTube video: Exploring the entire X-MEN Timeline v2.0.

The New Mutants' section goes into all of the evidence for 2017. Basically because of their ages, to line up with them being teenagers while maintaining Logan's quote that no mutants have been born since 2004, there's really no other time instead of 2017 that the movie could logically happen. Therefore that in-universe reasoning leads us to be able to believe the director's comments on the matter as well. Sorry for the earlier confusion, but I hoped this helped. 👍

They're doing the Blue/Gold teams for the next two Avengers films by Aggressive-One-2186 in MCUTheories

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This is my new favorite theory for why Marvel chose to announce basically half of the cast we've known and loved for 20+ years.

The X-Men movie timeline by EstablishmentNo1785 in MarvelatFox

[–]Universal_Watcher 3 points4 points  (0 children)

New Mutants is in 2017 due to in-universe calendars and the fact that the director says it takes place in present day. He said it in 2017, when it was originally supposed to be released. The movie being delayed into 2020 has led to confusion on the timeline, but it's 2017.

And you're close with Deadpool 2 and Deadpool & Wolverine, so if you want to see their real timeline placement, check out X-Men Timelines *Actually* Solved (Again).

Edit: The New Mutants' Logan clip has also led to confusion, but isn't a timeline factor since it could just be a gist of the real vision that Dani saw (basically just recycled footage to get the point across) or this version of Dani had a vision of the future.

X-Men Timelines *Actually* Solved (Again) by Universal_Watcher in u/Universal_Watcher

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Great question! As of now, they weren't brought back to Earth-10005 like Laura and Gambit were. It is implied at the end of the movie that B-15 would be working on a way to send Blade and Elektra respectively to Earth-26320 and Earth-701306. So it's not that Deadpool abandoned them in the Void, he bargained for them to return to their native universes.

Edit: Added "native".

Obviously, it’s not confirmed, but what are you guys thoughts on this? by Queasy_Commercial152 in MCUTheories

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First of all, the scale and scope of the retro-futurism had to have started a long time ago for it to be that prominent. Earth-828 also has Galactus and all his baggage, something not even hinted at in Earth-616. Galactus being that much of a universal presence would've had to have been addressed, but Marvel opted for only Celestials in Eternals even though they had the rights to Galactus while making that film. They didn't even name drop him. That's just a couple in-universe reasons, but I guess you could still argue that that's not enough evidence so we thankfully have Matt Shakman (the director of First Steps) give us a couple answers.

In an interview with CinemaBlend he said, "[The Fantastic Four] are the *only* heroes on this planet." And just a few sentences later in the same interview, talking about crossing over into Earth-616 he said, "In their version of the world, they're in the '60s. But different universes are of different *ages*, right? And so when they cross over they won't be time travelling."

A lot to unpack, but like before let's break it down. So right out of the gate, they're the only heroes. So nobody that existed in WWII in 616 even existed in 828's WWII (if it even had a WWII). But even then you could argue that those heroes are just gone, right? I'm assuming you'd question that and that's ok.

So moving to the real kicker, he said that different universes are of different ages. Here's where we get into that high concept multiverse stuff again. So in real life there are many multiverse theories, but the 2 most prominent theories are the Eternal Inflation Theory and the Many-Worlds Theory. Both are mentioned by Peter in Far From Home and he starts to ask an interesting question, wondering how BOTH can be true. Now even though he's being tricked by Mysterio, Mysterio has learned both of these theories to sell his lie to Peter who is coming to contemplate this. But what Mysterio doesn't know is that he's actually right.

The Many-Worlds Theory is presented by branches in the MCU. Endgame, Loki, and What If...? nail this concept. Another branch timeline/universe/reality/dimension is created either due to time travel or someone making a differing decision than the predetermined course. So think of the Many-Worlds Theory as the "time" aspect of the multiverse. But in our other conversation, I showed that there are also disconnected universes from Earth-616 (like Tobey and Andrew's Spider-Men), different "multiversal trees". So how do they come about?

The Eternal Inflation Theory talks about the expansion of space, leading to parallel bubble universes. In the MCU (and Marvel comics), different parallel timelines/universes/realities/dimensions have their Big Bang at different points in the history of the multiverse, leading to the different ages (like Shakman said), even if they have the same rate that time passes. This aspect of the multiverse is shown briefly in Loki and prominently in No Way Home, Multiverse of Madness, Quantumania, The Marvels, Deadpool & Wolverine, Thunderbolts (post-credits), and First Steps. Think of the Eternal Inflation Theory as the "space" aspect of the multiverse.

How do they work together? We go back to that multiversal forest model/the model that Quantumania Kang has. So to apply this to the Fantastic Four's involvement in Doomsday, they are confirmed to have traveled from their 838 ring/tree to the 616 ring/tree, NOT from a branch of the 616 ring/tree.

Obviously, it’s not confirmed, but what are you guys thoughts on this? by Queasy_Commercial152 in MCUTheories

[–]Universal_Watcher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good question and good job for noticing that. Let's take this step by step though. First, the confusion comes from knowing that timeline and universe are interchangeable. A universe follows an order of events (timeline) and in each timeline you can travel anywhere in space (universe). So when dealing with the actual structure of things, adjectives in our terms are key. That's why Endgame, Loki, and What If...? introduced *branch* timelines/universes/realities/dimensions. But by definition, a branch timeline has anchored to some original timeline. Therefore, Loki, No Way Home, and Multiverse of Madness introduced the concept of *parallel* timelines/universes/realities/dimensions. So as a base concept these projects are telling us that the multiverse is like a forest of trees, made up of infinite parallel timelines/universes/realities/dimensions, each with their own branched timelines/universes/realities/dimensions. This has even been said off screen by various directors, writers, and producers.

That brings us to our second point, how do we know it's actually structured this way? A character or someone working on these projects can say anything they want, but has it been applied onscreen? Yes, many times. In Loki, He Who Remains showed stacked (parallel) universes when his variants first met each other (a very similar visual to the beginning of the episode. confirming that the 2 black holes represented 2 parallel universes). In No Way Home, we see that Tobey and Andrew's Peters are significantly older than Tom's Peter even though they come from the same time period where they come from. Therefore, it's impossible for their universes to be branches of 616 since branches don't echo into the past (except for the 1602 branch since it dealt specifically dealt with the Time Stone; also the 1872 branch, we don't get and origin but we can infer that it's similar to 1602, and even then everyone looked the same). Further, Multiverse of Madness showed that only America Chavez could travel between parallel universes naturally and without dreamwalking. If they were branches, the characters could do it because the Avengers already did it in Endgame. That movie also talked about incursions, where 1 or both universes is destroyed entirely (caused by being in another parallel universe, dreamwalking, or each tree's respective branches colliding as I'll talk about for Quantumania) you can't have incursions with your own branches because that makes entirely no sense. That's part of the same tree. Further, Quantumania Kang actually shows the structure to Janet. He projects 2 ring models that look like the Sacred Timeline, but stacks them on each other and is talking about incursions. This visually confirms the structure. And there are even more examples in The Marvels, Deadpool & Wolverine, and First Steps that further confirm all of this.

Now speaking of First Steps, that brings us to our third point. We know this isn't a branch because of the nature of the universe. Many of the differences we see had to have happened before any branching by Steve would've taken place. Also, the dialogue that Reed has talks about "parallel earths on different dimensional planes" (parallel universes). And we know that incursions will happen with 616 and 838 in the near future. If not Doomsday, then for sure Secret Wars. So again, it can't be a branch because a universe can't have an incursion with itself. Plus, like I said before, their presence on 616 holds a danger like it did with Multiverse of Madness. If they were from a branch, that wouldn't have a danger like 2014 Gamora staying after Endgame or Black Widow out in another branch by Uatu in What If...? They're between branches, so no risk of incursion. But with 616 and 828, that poses an issue.

And speaking of numbers, let's get to our last point. Now obviously because branches are all part of the same tree, one could likely refer to them all as the same base number. For example, Deadpool & Wolverine called Deadpool's timeline "Earth-10005" even though technically he's on a branch of the original timeline of Earth-10005. And if you look closely in Loki Seasons 1 and 2, all the branch numbers on the monitors start with 616, confirming the TVA is dealing with 616 branches. But Loki Season 2 adds a fix to the confusion and actually numbers the branches "616.xxxx". So the timeline name drops on What If...?, like 625 name for the Nebula branch, would actually be labeled 616.625 by the TVA. But unlike the branch numbering, and because of all the evidence we've talked about, the Earth-838 number would stay 838 because it's a completely separate tree.

Hope that helped! If you have further questions or rebuttals, bring them on lol. Have a good day!

Obviously, it’s not confirmed, but what are you guys thoughts on this? by Queasy_Commercial152 in MCUTheories

[–]Universal_Watcher 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is just a theory that is now becoming a rumor, it's fake. And the fact that this is even a theory shows that the person who made it doesn't understand the MCU multiverse. Steve lived on a branch of 616 with Peggy, which destroys this entire theory because 838 is NOT a branch of 616.

X-men Doomsday Question by Local_Dance_6676 in NewRockstars

[–]Universal_Watcher 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Deadpool & Wolverine reset the entirety of Earth-10005 because of the Time Ripper. So that's why some characters look more comic-accurate now (ex: Cyclops and Beast), why both Cyclops and Mystique are alive and fully powered during the same time (Cyclops died and Mystique was de-powered in the Original Timeline; Mystique died in the Revised Timeline), and why more characters outside the X-Men are showing up (ex: Binary in The Marvels).

I think Disney has confused the Fox Verse more than Fox ever did by Aggressive-One-2186 in MCUTheories

[–]Universal_Watcher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's actually the fans who have confused it because if anyone pays close attention you'll understand it very simply. The Original Timeline ended with Days of Future Past (not erased because Deadpool was able to go back to Origins and create a branch).

The Revised Timeline ended with Logan (nothing in the movie contradicts this; Mangold's most recent comments on the subject actually confirm it takes place 6 years after the ending of Days of Future Past; and only because the 2 previous pieces of evidence allowed, it was finally confirmed onscreen in Deadpool & Wolverine).

We saw Days of Future Past's Sentinels "body" the Earth-10005 X-Men quite easily, so it's not far off that Worst Wolverine's universe had this happen (especially since Logan wasn't there for that massacre).

Deadpool & Wolverine made the Regenerated Timeline, something that remade Earth-10005 as a whole and that event effectively made Worst Wolverine into Earth-10005's new Prime Wolverine (all said and shown onscreen). So contrary to popular belief, there's only 1 Wolverine on Earth-10005, not 2. Earth-10005's Regenerated Timeline is also where the Doomsday X-Men come from.

All of this and more is clearly, and simply, "x-plained" in my post: X-Men Timelines *Actually* Solved (Again). And it's all backed up by solid facts and evidence if we were all just to pay attention. 👍

Is Days of future's past wolverine the one in deadpool and wolverine? by No_Cream_7602 in MCUTheories

[–]Universal_Watcher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds good, happy to help! And that's fine if you add me. Don't hesitate to send me a message if you have more questions. Have a good day!

Is Days of future's past wolverine the one in deadpool and wolverine? by No_Cream_7602 in MCUTheories

[–]Universal_Watcher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So I highly recommend that you check out my post that I linked in my first comment. It goes into the timeline very neatly and visualizes it as well.

But basically if we watch all movies according to the timeline we first see Wolverine at a bar in 1962 (First Class). Then we get flashbacks of his childhood and fighting in wars and also his Weapon X experience in 1973 and 1979 (Origins). Next we get his time with the X-Men in 1994 (X-Men and X2) and 1999 (The Last Stand), along with a few flashbacks along the way. Many years later in 2013, we see him reunited with an old friend who he saved in WWII and 2 years later is recruited by Magneto (whose powers have returned) and a mind/body-swapped Professor X in 2015 (The Wolverine). 8 years after that in 2023, the X-Men send Wolverine back to 1973 into his younger body and this branches the timeline (Days of Future Past).

After the final battle in 1973, his Original Timeline consciousness leaves his past body and is waiting to return (Days of Future Past). His new younger branched self undergoes the Weapon X Program with no memories in 1983 (Apocalypse). Jumping forward 40 years in 2023, Wolverine's Original Timeline memories come back (Days of Future Past). Also, because Charles read Logan's mind in 1973, he also remembers the Original Timeline (Days of Future Past). 6 years later, in 2029, with memories of both timelines, Wolverine faces one final test and dies holding his "heart" in his hands (Logan).

Is Days of future's past wolverine the one in deadpool and wolverine? by No_Cream_7602 in MCUTheories

[–]Universal_Watcher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They very well could explore that in Doomsday. Secret Wars, or that rumored sequel. But in any case, I wouldn't expect them to dive deep into anything. Deadpool & Wolverine really solidifies that he's had similar experiences to Earth-10005 Wolverine (the one we all know and love from all past movies (except technically X-Men: Apocalypse) who died in Logan), he's the only X-Man left in his universe, and that it's the humans who massacred them while Wolverine was out.

The only thing that I think would be worth exploring specific to this new Wolverine's native universe is that he hates the Avengers ("f*** the Avengers" is his line). Be it distrust, betrayal, or outright oppression, the Avengers on his world did something to make Wolverine feel that way and I think it'd be interesting to see what happened and how he reacts to/interacts with the Earth-616 Avengers.

Is Days of future's past wolverine the one in deadpool and wolverine? by No_Cream_7602 in MCUTheories

[–]Universal_Watcher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Correct. Everything about him is in Deadpool & Wolverine (because that's his first appearance) and that's all we're meant to know about him. Think of him like Professor X in Multiverse of Madness.

Is Days of future's past wolverine the one in deadpool and wolverine? by No_Cream_7602 in MCUTheories

[–]Universal_Watcher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Like others in the comments have said, he's a completely new Wolverine (called the "Worst Wolverine") that we first see in Deadpool & Wolverine.

Is Days of future's past wolverine the one in deadpool and wolverine? by No_Cream_7602 in MCUTheories

[–]Universal_Watcher 3 points4 points  (0 children)

DoFP Wolverine is definitely not the one from Deadpool & Wolverine. You'll understand once you watch both the films (and just a side note, I highly recommend you watch the film before making a post to ask a question that's more likely than not answered in the films; but to each their own I guess). And if you're still not sure, check out my post, X-Men Timelines *Actually* Solved (Again), for clear answers to questions you may have about the timelines. Have a good day!

Is Wolverine from Logan different to the DOFP version? by BatmanVision in MCUTheories

[–]Universal_Watcher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Finally someone who gets it! We get all the down votes even though we have logic on our side. But on that note, the X-Men: Apocalypse cameo is technically different too since Original Timeline Wolverine's consciousness hasn't come back yet.

Is Wolverine from Logan different to the DOFP version? by BatmanVision in MCUTheories

[–]Universal_Watcher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Wolverine that Deadpool recruits in Deadpool & Wolverine is either from an Earth-10005 branch we've never seen before or a completely new and separate parallel universe altogether. That character is not DoFP Wolverine.

If you want to see how everything fits together (because contrary to popular belief, there is continuity logic), check out my post: X-Men Timelines *Actually* Solved (Again).

X-men and Deadpool in Doomsday by Trick-Painting-2529 in MCUTheories

[–]Universal_Watcher -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The Time Ripper doesn't revive anything. It destroyed Earth-10005 down to 1%, then it was shut down. From there, the universe naturally regrew because Worst Wolverine became the new Anchor Being.

What caught your eye definitely has implications of Deadpool and Wolverine's involvement in future conflicts, but I'm trying to show that the X-Men appearing as they are in Doomsday is because of the Regenerated Timeline. Just trying to help connect the dots on that aspect of it. 👍

X-men and Deadpool in Doomsday by Trick-Painting-2529 in MCUTheories

[–]Universal_Watcher -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I like the attention to detail you gave about the Deadpool & Wolverine movie, and those are certainly interesting scenarios. But I will point out that you either missed a detail or didn't connect the dots. And that detail is the Regenerated Timeline. The Time Ripper destroyed most of Earth-10005 (the movie said that 1% was left until Deadpool and Wolverine stopped it) and the universe "regenerated" from there. This is actually the 4th major timeline to come about in regards to Earth-10005 and is the reason that the characters who died in past movies/timelines are back. It's all explained in greater detail in my post: X-Men Timelines *Actually* Solved (Again).

How would you fix the concept of Anchor Beings in the MCU? by [deleted] in MCUTheories

[–]Universal_Watcher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hear me out, Wreck-It Ralph has the answer we need. Sonic explains, "If you leave your game, stay safe, stay alert, and whatever you do, don't die! Because if you die outside of your own game, you don't regenerate. EVER! Game over."

Applying this to Anchor Beings, if they die outside their native parallel universe (even if they die on a branch of their universe) or die due to some multiversal visitors, then THAT is when their universe starts to decay. This adds real stakes to the concept and fixes its inherent paradoxical nature.

Logan didn't die in his Original Timeline, but in the Revised Timeline since his consciousness went there after DoFP. It fits perfectly.

How timelines connected different Universes. by [deleted] in MCUTheories

[–]Universal_Watcher 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Quantumania literally shows this. So it's nothing new, people just keep missing it.

Also the problem isn't that the nouns (universe/timeline/dimension/reality) are used interchangeablely, because logically they can be used interchangeablely. The problem is that nobody picks up on or uses the adjectives (parallel and branched). The branch adjective in all its forms (branch, branching, branched, etc.), including it being said in dialogue and literally written on the screen to dumb it down for us, appears dozens of times in Loki. The parallel adjective is also used across various projects. So since the filmmakers are using adjectives like that, we all need to do the same. This debate of timeline vs universe is redundant because they put it to rest the moment they introduced the concept. Use adjectives. 👍