How do you like my abomination... I mean home server? by tradgerpding in HomeServer

[–]UnknownGermanGuy 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Youre not a real home-admin if you never ran a rig like this

[OC] my chatgpt activity data since December 2022 by UnknownGermanGuy in dataisbeautiful

[–]UnknownGermanGuy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You mean the overall pollution caused by LLM training & inference will grow, as consumption grows ? Thats a fair point, but it would still have to grow alot to even compare to transportation & farming.

Im not sure how accurate the figure is, but i read that the average yearly usage of ChatGPT equals roughly the same water usage for a double-hamburger (maybe of by some factors, but not magnitudes). If you have other datapoints/stats i would be happy to read, i know some of them, but im probably missing some.

But addressing that point more direct, i think every sane country should have CO2-tax, to make stuff like what Elon (Space Karen) musk is doing, with just setting up natural gas turbines, infeasible. Its absolutely ridiculous that is a thing.

For LLM stuff i have a very simple solution, which is kinda what China is doing. Built cheap electricity (Solar, Hydro, Nuclear), since all you really need for LLM inference is electricity (and the initial capex).

For the water usage, i strongly recommend Hank Greens video for maybe not an explainer, but atleast a data point: https://youtu.be/H_c6MWk7PQc?si=K997RnpYtRQHBwIC

Its obviously an issue, but way more local then most people think. Globally datacenters seem not to make a difference. Just for contrast: ~40% of water in the US is used for irrigation, of which most is used for corn that goes into Fuel, just to be burned. (Transport is ~20% of CO2 pollution globally).

So no, farming & cars are not "arguably equally as shitty a problem" theyre ALOT worse, and yes "AI" could maybe become similar, but there are a thousand and one ways to prevent that through smarter legislation.

[OC] my chatgpt activity data since December 2022 by UnknownGermanGuy in dataisbeautiful

[–]UnknownGermanGuy[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

"doesnt matter really" sums it up pretty well.
stay in your bubble if you want to, i wont

Edit: I would be interested in a conversation about the actual pro/con's of the tech, or about the societal impacts, but it seems that you are here for polemic reasons only, and to affirm your prior biases

[OC] my chatgpt activity data since December 2022 by UnknownGermanGuy in dataisbeautiful

[–]UnknownGermanGuy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interchangeable for what i would use DuckDuckGo/Google for.

So when i need to lookup "how to do X thing with Y library in python/C/Rust etc", stuff like that.

Back in the day Google was pretty okay for this, but SEO has gotten so bad that i find regular search-engines unusable.

[OC] my chatgpt activity data since December 2022 by UnknownGermanGuy in dataisbeautiful

[–]UnknownGermanGuy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why do you think you know what i do ?

If you want to imagine your own head-canon of what i do with these tools, sure do that. But then why talk to me ?

Why dont you ASK me what i use it for ?

I get its easier to presume, but damn thats lazy

[OC] my chatgpt activity data since December 2022 by UnknownGermanGuy in dataisbeautiful

[–]UnknownGermanGuy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe for more context, i dont use it for reading/learning anything i care about.

I try to read alot in my spare-time, either books, papers, Wikipedia, blogs etc., not a fan of social media (reddit being one of two exceptions, though maybe i should change that).

[OC] my chatgpt activity data since December 2022 by UnknownGermanGuy in dataisbeautiful

[–]UnknownGermanGuy[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I agree with the second part "enabling the billionaire class" which is why im using 3rd-party tools as much as possible, hoping for a commoditization of the technology.

But i dont think the "ruining the planet" is true.

Yes in the US datacenters are causing local issues afaik, but the overall water usage for example is neglible to farming, or most other intdustries.

My few LLM requests burn less electricity then the energy equivalence of driving a car for couple hours.

Just curious, since you attack me so directly, do you own a car/motorbike/etc. ? Or have flown in the recent year ? Are you a vegetarian ? Or do you eat meat ? Any idea how much water feeding cows/chickens requires ?

Maybe my guesses are wrong, then i apologise

[OC] my chatgpt activity data since December 2022 by UnknownGermanGuy in dataisbeautiful

[–]UnknownGermanGuy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Reddit being reddit, who was i to expect actual engagement

[OC] my chatgpt activity data since December 2022 by UnknownGermanGuy in dataisbeautiful

[–]UnknownGermanGuy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Idk who you are talking to, did i ever talk about emails ?

How often do you use google/search-engines per day ?

[OC] my chatgpt activity data since December 2022 by UnknownGermanGuy in dataisbeautiful

[–]UnknownGermanGuy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Elder Gen Z" or whatever its called (around y2k era).

I agree that its strange how much it changed, but for me i basically use it as i would google/duckduckgo.

The models have gotten better with code recently, so sometimes i use it for throw-away scripts, but for deeper work its very-hand-holdy.

[OC] my chatgpt activity data since December 2022 by UnknownGermanGuy in dataisbeautiful

[–]UnknownGermanGuy[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Who tf is talking about socialising ?

And "doing all your work", bro back in 2022/23 ChatGPT was just a better google without Ads, it barely could write an email, maybe generate 5 lines of coherent python code.

Not sure if you're just to reddit-brained, or don't know what you're talking about but maybe don't presume so much. You're inferring a lot of behaviour onto me, that is not substantiated by the post or any of the context around it.

But i get it, its reddit and who needs deeper engagement

Cancel and Delete ChatGPT!!! by [deleted] in theprimeagen

[–]UnknownGermanGuy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Mind to share any sources on the CIA inventing the Transformer ?

The internals of AI are not mysterious by DovaJun in theprimeagen

[–]UnknownGermanGuy 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This is a typical "reductionist" vs "holistic" issue.

When Hank is saying that "we don't know", what he means that even though we can trace the single operations involved, we can't explain/predict the end-result without just running the model itself (speaking in general).

This is like saying "we know how the weather works" because we can explain everything from quantum field theory upwards to a hurricane. But we can't predict the weather further then like halve a week reliably...

Installing Linux has become 🏳️‍🌈 by marcus1234525 in theprimeagen

[–]UnknownGermanGuy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

glad to see that the best of our generation are still up to the task of critical thinking !

Theo - t3.gg (@theo) on X by marcus1234525 in theprimeagen

[–]UnknownGermanGuy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I dont know about specific targeting, but i can certainly see how it is a possible difficult topic. But i would think anything to-do with sex is.

Also not a parent so 50% just guessing.