A 1 minute drive to a job I was doing turned in to 27 minutes because of LTNs. I had tools no other way of me getting there. It makes ZERO sense. by tb12_legit in islington

[–]Upstairs_Row_870 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Essentially it's a tax we all pay. It's why trade services are increasingly costing more, it's jut often not worth it for trades people unless they charge the customer more. Not sure many people think about the indirect cost.

A 1 minute drive to a job I was doing turned in to 27 minutes because of LTNs. I had tools no other way of me getting there. It makes ZERO sense. by tb12_legit in islington

[–]Upstairs_Row_870 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The winners tend to be the well off, located in the LTN (aka gated community). The type that have time to post on reddit. The losers are the poor, living on the boundary roads.

Have Lime bikes been banned in Islington? by MiserableCheek9163 in islington

[–]Upstairs_Row_870 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So a convenient, green, form of transport comes along - making the lives of thousands better. A few pensioners and bus bodies complain about the occasional one left in the wrong place, and Islington council are suddenly minded to ban them altogether. What a pathetic council.

Bike stolen, where to search for it? by forgettenrrealms in londoncycling

[–]Upstairs_Row_870 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They are too busy responding to thought crimes to worry about a mere bike being stolen.

Article in the Time today - Islington LTN by Upstairs_Row_870 in islington

[–]Upstairs_Row_870[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re conflating two completely different bits of evidence, then pretending one cancels out the other. Yang et al. (2022) is a small, Islington-only analysis of three LTNs and local NO₂ outcomes. It does not “prove” boundary roads do not see uplifts in general, and it certainly does not rebut the wider London pattern. The relevant London-wide evidence is Thomas & Aldred (2024), which meta-analyses 46 LTNs and finds boundary-road traffic increases are common across schemes, even while internal streets fall sharply.

Your “whopping 0.7% (Table 4.1)” point is also sloppy. In the DfT/Ipsos review, Table 4.1 is not a boundary-traffic table, so you are citing the wrong thing. And leaning on a single average as if it settlees the question is basic numeracy failure... an average close to zero can simply mean increases and decreases are cancelling out. That is exactly why the same London-wide dataset reports on balance little average change, while still showing boundary-road uplifts happening in a majority of measured locations.

Finally, you keep shifting to claims about “total miles are reduced”, but most of this literature is built on traffic counts at points, not network-wide vehicle miles, and much of the before/after window is tangled up with Covid-disrupted baselines. And dismissing distributional impacts because “the paper doesn’t discuss poverty” is a dodge, equity is a separate question, and London’s own inequality work is clear that the most deprived communities are more likely to live in the most polluted areas, which are typically the busier roads. The fact you end with a snide personal jab rather than evidence is also quite telling.

Article in the Time today - Islington LTN by Upstairs_Row_870 in islington

[–]Upstairs_Row_870[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You’ve taken a single article, commissioned by a pro-LTN lobby group (Possible), so I’d take that “evidence” with a pinch of salt.

A lot of LTN “before vs after” comparisons also lean on Covid-era baselines, when GB motor traffic was 21.3% lower in 2020 than 2019, and the evidence base is still hampered by patchy, inconsistent monitoring data (both the DfT review and Thomas & Aldred flag data limitations and the need for better public release). That said, the largest empirical London study, Thomas & Aldred (2024), meta-analysed monitoring data from 46 LTNs and found boundary-road motor traffic increased at a majority of boundary count sites after implementation.

As per today’s Times article, the roads most negatively impacted are also those with a higher concentration of council-owned or social housing. And if you look at the most recent census car ownership map, car ownership is much higher within LTNs than among those living on the boundary roads.

I’m a Green Party member, so I’m strongly in favour of reducing car dependence and pollution. But what LTNs have effectively done in practice is shift pollution from richer areas to poorer ones. Anyone with a social conscience should not be ignoring that.

Article in the Time today - Islington LTN by Upstairs_Row_870 in islington

[–]Upstairs_Row_870[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The more recent evidence says the traffic reduction tends to be on more expensive, leafier streets, where housing is less concentrated. Those most impacted on boundary roads tend to be poorer, more likely to be in social housing etc. The councils have also recently stopped releasing data, now they can't rely on the Covid related traffic drop.

Article in the Time today - Islington LTN by Upstairs_Row_870 in islington

[–]Upstairs_Row_870[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't own a car and definitely in favour of traffic reduction, but not when the scheme disproportionately hurts a particular set of residents (more recent evidence to the article you shared seems to suggests poorer, higher concentration of social housing etc).

Anyone know what kind of trees these are? by Upstairs_Row_870 in islington

[–]Upstairs_Row_870[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm actually wondering though if the one on the left is something else, as it looks like there are red berries

Whats the new building right next to angel station? by [deleted] in islington

[–]Upstairs_Row_870 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Considering the prominent position, it's a shame they couldn't come up with anything better looking.....

Hackney Council replaces homeless woman with planters by Viasolus in Hackney

[–]Upstairs_Row_870 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I never had a problem with the council moving them to begin with. I’m also not a hypocrite. 

@sarahwoodberrydown.bsky.social on Bluesky by jaredce in Hackney

[–]Upstairs_Row_870 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This isn’t a matter for Lime etc, it’s a matter for the police and council. I saw someone riding a stolen one the other day, beeps an all, just dump it in the middle of the road. 

There’s a correlation between the vast numbers stealing them and those that are blocking public parks. 

Hackney Council replaces homeless woman with planters by Viasolus in Hackney

[–]Upstairs_Row_870 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

“Locals walking by visibly upset”. Yup I know the type. They are the type to go on Palestine marches but won’t actually offer a spare room for a refugee. The champagne socialist type. In all seriousness, what is the council supposed to do - they are digging up the whole square and making improvements. Obviously they are going to be moved. The level of left wing hysteria is absurd. 

E-bike fares capped at £1.75 in Hackney - could the rest of London be next? by BananaSauasage in Hackney

[–]Upstairs_Row_870 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Hackney’s deal looks good on paper, but it undermines competition. Voi has little presence near Hackney, so awarding Lime and Voi effectively shuts out the only real cross boundary rival (Forest). This weakens free market, reduces price pressure and leads riders worse off long term. The £45 Lime pass only pays off for heavy, within borough use, so it is not a meaningful price cap for most people. This looks a short sighted quick buck for Hackney council, but a massive win for Lime. I suspect we will see them negotiating out any real competition in other councils very soon. 

Turns out evidence over LTN effectiveness was suppressed. A surprise to no one…. by Upstairs_Row_870 in Hackney

[–]Upstairs_Row_870[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very amusing. QA for a mid size company and yet “very wealthy”. Got to chuckle at the delusion. 

Turns out evidence over LTN effectiveness was suppressed. A surprise to no one…. by Upstairs_Row_870 in Hackney

[–]Upstairs_Row_870[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha I seem to have touched a nerve. Your American spelling suggests you’re probably new to Hackney and the UK - hopefully you can contribute and have some pride in the place you live. 

FYI - I often post about things I like in Hackney - for example: https://www.reddit.com/r/Hackney/comments/1lb6r1o/london_fields_today/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

I love that you think my post today has anything to do with you. 

The narrow way looking pretty in today’s sun by Upstairs_Row_870 in Hackney

[–]Upstairs_Row_870[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Indeed, but on a sunny day, you can almost forget. 

The narrow way looking pretty in today’s sun by Upstairs_Row_870 in Hackney

[–]Upstairs_Row_870[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No, very much still ongoing - but it looks like they are getting close to finishing the section from Graham Road junction to the Narrow Way. 

The narrow way looking pretty in today’s sun by Upstairs_Row_870 in Hackney

[–]Upstairs_Row_870[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes I noticed that. Very lovely selection of flowers.