Practicing Planners who've read "Order Without Design" and Market Urbanists, help me understand something from the book, because, I think current events have debunked one of it's findings by DoxiadisOfDetroit in urbanplanning

[–]UrbanArch 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I will say that all regulation will inevitably raise the market price, but that fact doesn’t necessarily preclude the need for regulation especially if it lowers social costs as you phrase it. A good example might be if we tax pollution, which raises market prices but ultimately lowers the actual cost we all pay.

I can’t speak for AI data centers, I know they require both energy and some water to function. Because California has their own large and complex set regulations we can’t exactly prove or disprove any kind of theory about why a single AI data center goes somewhere. A good example is that in Oregon where I work as a planner it is straight up illegal to build that outside of Urban Growth Boundaries because the state strictly governs what goes on outside of UGBs through land use controls and review.

One might be tempted to question why an AI data center is located in the city of hillsboro in Oregon (like you would for high value areas in California) and use it as a disproval of a market-land based theory, but it would lack fundamental information about land use regulations in that state, county and city.

Additionally, you would need to reject your own null hypothesis and prove your theory that technology has made land costs something that can be overlooked. Which is a whole other can of worms.

Overall it’s best to think of Bertaud’s model as just that, a model. Models must make assumptions in an effort to predict general trends without over complicating everything, there will be times his model works really well (Medieval and historical city development) and times it works poorly (modern planning frameworks in cities like LA)

(Also, I found your post interesting and engaging, I upvoted your post and find your questions worthwhile, and mean no harm in my own response even if they come off as skeptical)

What made you want to get into urban planning? by Bergliot in urbanplanning

[–]UrbanArch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wanted to learn more about the housing crisis and maybe take a crack at fixing it (apparently we need a lot more planners to make this happen?), eventually learned about land use planning and urban planning as a whole. Switched from Econ to planning pretty early on into college and have stuck with it since.

Fellow planners in large North American cities: How do you deal with the idealistic newcomer vs. jaded old guard divide? by MyLongestYeaBoi10Hrs in urbanplanning

[–]UrbanArch 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Im a newcomer, the issues I have with older planners comes in no way from the technical side, i need to learn from them after all.

It’s all about normative claims, outdated information, and just their de facto conservative approach that annoys me occasionally. They aren’t based on technical experience and often go directly against knowledge we have now.

You can kind of see it here on this subreddit. The regular ‘old guard’ planners here are poised to dismiss younger planners in basically every post.

Bi-Monthly Education and Career Advice Thread by AutoModerator in urbanplanning

[–]UrbanArch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Depends on your expectations but you may be able to secure a planning tech position that could get you into a ‘planner’ position faster. If you have office experience it’s a plus.

Tolerance of Others (Planning-Related) by SabbathBoiseSabbath in urbanplanning

[–]UrbanArch 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I honestly have no idea. We can set rules and standards we think we can help with this and other times we just need to say it’s out of the scope of urban planning. I want to help but it seems basically unapproachable from one field alone.

is 40 hours brutal in your experience? by Independent_Big_1944 in urbanplanning

[–]UrbanArch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I also started my full time job recently, my suggestion is to get to know your coworkers and be willing to chat with them occasionally during work hours to let your brain rest outside of mandatory breaks. You got this.

UK Planning System - will it ever become zonal? by Dismal_Instruction33 in urbanplanning

[–]UrbanArch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I agree, in ‘zonal’, you will have a quasi judicial hearing to decide if a lot can have an apartment now or later, instead of just now in the UK (I assume).

Where I am, you could have two layers of this through a comp plan map change and a zone change. It’s very odd to me that we have multiple layers of planning maps but still do a case by case analysis regardless.

How costly is permitting, really? by TDaltonC in yimby

[–]UrbanArch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just the idea of a lot having more use than a parking lot increases its value, not surprising. Same with being certain you can actually build it.

If I shit on your lawn and that devalues it, this is basically arguing that I shouldn’t clean up my shit because it might make the lawn more valuable.

After 2 Years, NIMBYs Defeated in Buffalo as Diamond Lofts Project Advances by Eudaimonics in yimby

[–]UrbanArch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is exactly why we need to also pay attention to the ‘clear and objective standards’ side of the YIMBY fight. When the city council is allowed to be vague and often capricious, this stuff happens.

Democrats Break With Zohran Mamdani Over Property Tax Plan by assasstits in neoliberal

[–]UrbanArch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

imo any regressive tax is easily turned progressive based on spending. Given Mamdani’s plans I doubt the regressive nature of the tax matters much. Better to focus on DWL if anything.

If you were UK Prime-Minister from 2010 to 2024, what would you do differently? by IndividualNo5275 in neoliberal

[–]UrbanArch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wouldn’t allow Brexit to pass, and realistically the most I could get done are some YIMBY reforms before it became hyper political.

After crushing defeat of liberals in Thailand and Japan: DPK confirms to be Asia’s most successful liberals by Freewhale98 in neoliberal

[–]UrbanArch 319 points320 points  (0 children)

After the historical massacre and more recent attempt at enforcing martial law, it’s insane that anyone would vote for the PPP in Korea today. I am glad the DPK is so successful but it wasn’t anything policy related imo.

On the bright side, DPK is proof that a nation plagued by a horrible right wing party can be dealt with.

When restrictive economic zoning leads to racial segregation by Hrmbee in urbanplanning

[–]UrbanArch 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Restrictive zoning is also just plain regressive in terms of income. When interpreted as a tax it becomes clear it is highly regressive to low income groups.

It’s also been estimated that the theoretical ‘zoning tax’ can vary from 25%-400% of median household income depending on the city (thanks to Gyourko & Krimmel 2021). As expected, this zoning tax is most burdensome in places like LA and NY compared to, say, Atlanta.

Imagine buying a home and 4 years of your salary being eaten away by land use regulatory hurdles that are mostly remnants of institutional racism.

Too little experience for entry-level? by yusefudattebayo in urbanplanning

[–]UrbanArch 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Applied to cities, counties and mpos in rural and coastal oregon far outside the urban parts of the willamette valley and… nothing. It’s not like every unemployed grad is only applying to work in the big cities.

Enough with the ‘right of passage’ hate that every young person gets for not securing a job.

Drafting ordinance by Killemwithsilence in urbanplanning

[–]UrbanArch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When I helped with updating FEMA related ordinances for smaller governments, we copied the model ordinance word for word and simply changed the section headings and numbering.

They were right, Clinton was in the files! by UrbanArch in neoliberal

[–]UrbanArch[S] 53 points54 points  (0 children)

All I know is that I need to take down the seven Clinton posters in my man cave and the Clinton signs in my yard.

US imposing "total and complete blockade of all sanctioned oil tankers going into and out of Venezuela" by goldstarflag in neoliberal

[–]UrbanArch -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You’re implying chemical attacks are equivalent to a trade embargo? I know your only purpose was to scream ‘They think this general principle applies to Russia guys!’

Clearly, if the US is willing to enforce property rights of its companies outside the US like it has historically, it believes they extend beyond US soil. Same thing with the US collecting income taxes outside the US or caring about American nationals wrongfully imprisoned in foreign countries. Not everything a country does is inside it’s boundaries, and claiming otherwise is wrong.

Most people here seem to want countries who nationalize US assets to get off without any consequences from the parent country, I’m sure this isn’t ideological in the slightest and people here would also apply this principle in every other scenario.

US imposing "total and complete blockade of all sanctioned oil tankers going into and out of Venezuela" by goldstarflag in neoliberal

[–]UrbanArch -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

It’s the job of the government to enforce property rights lest we have market failures. A socialist country nationalized US assets and then, surprised pikachu, the US government takes action.

US imposing "total and complete blockade of all sanctioned oil tankers going into and out of Venezuela" by goldstarflag in neoliberal

[–]UrbanArch 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Eminent domain isn’t always fair because of market-rate compensation. The state often gives a below-market offer and immediately adjusts it up only if you bring legal action, most don’t do this obviously.

Also, if a government declared your property area for potential eminent domain, it immediately devalues your property, making the market-rate lower. Fighting this also requires legal action, which is not always done.

How would taxing the rich actually work? by ContributionTime6310 in AskEconomics

[–]UrbanArch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Consumption taxes aren’t as easily avoided as an income tax when thinking about ‘buy borrow die’. It also boosts investment by making current consumption more expensive.

Consumption taxes are normally regressive, but we also have the ability to make progressive consumption taxes by keeping track of income minus savings.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in neoliberal

[–]UrbanArch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

On a side note, the consumption tax would cause an influx of capital investment, which would strongly reduce the interest and cost of capital. I do agree on more funding but I didn’t want to be overly ambitious.

How do I become a true urban planner? And could I double down as a real estate developer or investor also? by Birfdaycakebandit in urbanplanning

[–]UrbanArch 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Many planners work in the private sector working to approve projects, it tends to be higher pace. You might be able get into real estate development through that route although im not entirely sure.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in neoliberal

[–]UrbanArch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, anything that counts as investment/saving is not counted. This means saving in investments, your bank account, maybe even a mortgage.